Why are "we" not providing SAMs?

[Chuuku Davis]

Last edited Sat Mar 26, 2022, 11:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Lviv in the West is getting the crap bombed out of it now, most from the air but some missiles.
The three NATO countries with the S300 air defense systems will not send them to Ukraine unless they get them replaced by NATO.
NATO does not seem willing at this point.

Russian air power may eventually win this war dammit.

[unc70]

1. Lviv is in the far WEST of Ukraine

A few miles from the Polish border.

Eastern Ukraine is getting hammered. Various types of SAMs are arriving in UKR along with some other really nasty defense systems.

[NickB79]

2. We've been sending them lots of Stingers

And the UK is now sending Starstreaks, even more capable portable SAM's.

[dumbcat]

3. "We"? We don't have any S300 missiles

They are a Russian system. Where would "we" get them?

How would the 3 NATO countries with S300s get them replaced by NATO?

[Chuuku Davis]

6. They want them replaced with modern NATO SAMs

NATO has declined.
Pisses me off.

[dumbcat]

9. What are modern NATO SAMs?

NATO doesn't have an "official" SAM. Some NATO countries use US weapons, some Russian weapons, and some have their own.

[Chuuku Davis]

14. Specifically Patriots

Are what Bulgaria, Greece, and Slovakia want in exchange.

[MineralMan]

4. We are. Stingers.

They are working well.

[Chuuku Davis]

5. Stingers and Starstreaks are not SAMs

They are MANPADs (portable by a single man) and limited in range and altitude, ie 15,000 feet.

SAMs are larger, carried on a truck or trailer and can easily reach the planes at 40,000 feet.

[Kaleva]

8. Stingers and Starstreaks are SAMs

As they are missiles that are launched from the surface at an airborne target. Size and range are irrelevant.

Man portable air defense systems (MANPADS) are surface to air missiles that can be carried by one or more men.

[Iggo]

7. Is "somebody" sending them SAMs?

[Dial H For Hero]

10. You can teach a soldier to use a Stinger in a day. An S-300 or Patriot...not so much.

They’re far larger, and would have to be integrated into their air defense system. It’s a far more complex undertaking than packing a bunch of MANPADs into a crate and shipping it to them.

[Chuuku Davis]

11. MANPADs can not shoot down the missiles

Or the higher altitude planes that are doing the bombing now. Russia has changed their aerial attack to higher altitudes and longer distances of attack.

NATO has had a month to get UA S300s (SAMs) and has pissed it away. Bulgaria, Greece, and Slovakia own S300s but wanted Patriots before they would send them to UA.
And Ukraine already has and knows how to use and integrate S300s.

[onenote]

12. Question for the OP: Have you figured out where Lviv is yet?

[Chuuku Davis]

15. Gee maybe so

I am in daily contact with two friends in Lviv.

But seriously thanks for pointing out my error. I am just so frustrated at Russian air superiority right now.

[WarGamer]

13. "west"