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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:51 PM Mar 2022

Don't Miss These Two Revelations in the Massive Sea of News About Trump's Coup Attempt

Esquire

But the really interesting reminder the Post provides is that from the first moment, Trump's plan was to take this fight to the Supreme Court. There, the election would not be decided by the 158 million Americans who voted, but by nine people in black robes—three of whom he personally put there. (And wherever did he get that idea?) Of the six remaining justices, Samuel Alito is probably the most dependable right-wing vote possible, a true ideologue who starts at his preferred conclusion and backfills the justification from there, even if it means taking the question at issue in a case and treating your preferred answer as a premise of the argument. And the last, fifth vote he'd need was...Clarence Thomas, husband to GITMO Ginni. This doesn't mean all five would have delivered for Trump, but he certainly thought they would.

The beauty of Republicans pulling the battering ram out to get Amy Coney Barrett on the Court in almost comic disregard of their previously stated principles regarding the appointment of Supreme Court justices in an election year was that Trump no longer needed RINO Chief Justice John Roberts, who seems to still harbor some concern for the legitimacy of the Supreme Court as an institution. Like it or not, Notorious R.B.G. fans, but this is part of her legacy. When you play the Game of Robes, you resign under a normal president or you wait long enough to hand over your seat to The Windmill Guy.

Speaking of which, Ol' Donny Windmills is, if we can believe a word of what his erstwhile ally Congressman Mo Brooks has to say, even farther off his rocker than could once be imagined. The two had a falling out where Trump withdrew his endorsement of Brooks in the Alabama Republican senate primary, probably because Brooks is floundering in the polls. Some payback for the kind of friend who wears body armor to your pre-riot shindig and tells the frothing crowd, "Today is the day American patriots start taking down names and kicking ass. Now, our ancestors sacrificed their blood, their sweat, their tears, their fortunes and sometimes their lives … Are you willing to do the same? My answer is yes. Louder! Are you willing to do what it takes to fight for America?"
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Don't Miss These Two Revelations in the Massive Sea of News About Trump's Coup Attempt (Original Post) Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2022 OP
Bang a Gong right on! pandr32 Mar 2022 #1
So they were trying to do a repeat of 2000. Baitball Blogger Mar 2022 #2
His plan didn't work, though, did it? MineralMan Mar 2022 #3
There is an Act 2 coming exboyfil Mar 2022 #7
Time to get to work, isn't it? MineralMan Mar 2022 #8
+1 Hugin Mar 2022 #12
At this point, any Republican-majority legislature will direct their electors to vote for the GOP Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2022 #14
Didn't T call the Scotus "my judges" even before the primaries? Boomerproud Mar 2022 #4
After he replaced Kennedy with the frat boy. Hugin Mar 2022 #10
I think an investigation into Kennedy's resignation is in order. . . . h2ebits Mar 2022 #25
Something like that... Hugin Mar 2022 #29
Jack Holmes is the author Bobstandard Mar 2022 #5
So rushing Coney Barrett onto the Court was their back up plan? brush Mar 2022 #6
It happened before in 2000... dajoki Mar 2022 #9
Yup zipplewrath Mar 2022 #11
Yep Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2022 #15
Barrett and Kavanaugh have been disappointments for Magahats Kaleva Mar 2022 #13
How so? Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2022 #16
Because they have often sided with Roberts and the liberals Kaleva Mar 2022 #21
WTF?? BWdem4life Mar 2022 #17
It Was Her Health History... GB_RN Mar 2022 #20
Not to mention, the decision had to factor eight years. L. Coyote Mar 2022 #22
Again BWdem4life Mar 2022 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #18
RGB's legacy. hay rick Mar 2022 #19
putting your own needs above those of the country Skittles Mar 2022 #24
I must be on the wrong website BWdem4life Mar 2022 #27
LOL Skittles Mar 2022 #28
Every stupid decision ever made seemed like a splendid idea at the time Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2022 #30
Bad decision is one thing BWdem4life Mar 2022 #31

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
2. So they were trying to do a repeat of 2000.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 03:25 PM
Mar 2022

And we all know that was an abuse of the Court’s power. May all those already departed conservative judges burn in hell.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
7. There is an Act 2 coming
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 03:45 PM
Mar 2022

Can anyone say Grover Cleveland.


Right now the Democrats have all the accountability but not nearly the authority that a "majority" should represent in the Executive and Legislative branch. I can already hearing the no accomplishments mantra the GOP will. 2022 might be a blow out and a prelude to a truly dark age.

If it had been one state instead of three states that needed to be flipped, it might very well have worked. Arizona and the Nebraska Congressional district upset the narrative on election night. Georgia was a late bonus.

If he was able to concentrate all his minions on Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, I think it would have worked.

Hugin

(33,135 posts)
12. +1
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:30 PM
Mar 2022

Few are heeding the warnings that there is still a full blown insurrection raging in the US.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
14. At this point, any Republican-majority legislature will direct their electors to vote for the GOP
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:40 PM
Mar 2022

The Constitution allows it, and if a state like Pennsylvania or Wisco votes Blue, their legislatures will not care.

Ant then the right to vote Blue will likely disappear.

Boomerproud

(7,952 posts)
4. Didn't T call the Scotus "my judges" even before the primaries?
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 03:33 PM
Mar 2022

I remember him saying that while sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office. The height of narcissism.

Hugin

(33,135 posts)
10. After he replaced Kennedy with the frat boy.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:27 PM
Mar 2022

Which has never been thoroughly investigated IMHO… He figured he had a lifetime ticket to ride. The Handmaid was a gimme.

h2ebits

(644 posts)
25. I think an investigation into Kennedy's resignation is in order. . . .
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 06:17 PM
Mar 2022

Protection for his son who worked at Deutsche Bank if I remember correctly??

Hugin

(33,135 posts)
29. Something like that...
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 07:24 PM
Mar 2022

And seeing how they are still doing business with the oligarchy. A timely lookieloo, too.

brush

(53,771 posts)
6. So rushing Coney Barrett onto the Court was their back up plan?
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 03:45 PM
Mar 2022

I don't think they thought trump would lose the election.

dajoki

(10,678 posts)
9. It happened before in 2000...
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:21 PM
Mar 2022
But the really interesting reminder the Post provides is that from the first moment, Trump's plan was to take this fight to the Supreme Court. There, the election would not be decided by the 158 million Americans who voted, but by nine people in black robes


And I truly believe they are planning to try it again in 2024, which is one of the reasons they have been stealing court seats. With all the election subversion laws being passed in red states it will have a better chance of success the next time.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
11. Yup
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:29 PM
Mar 2022

90% of the efforts in 2020 were merely tests of the system to figure out what laws needed to be changed/created to allow them to dictate the results of the next one, regardless of how the voters actually vote.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
15. Yep
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:42 PM
Mar 2022

I think the plan will be to set up the Republican party like the PRI was in Mexico. There is legal opposition, but it's really difficult for them to get anything meaningful done.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
21. Because they have often sided with Roberts and the liberals
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 05:26 PM
Mar 2022

and not so often with Ailto and Thomas who are the darlings of the Magahats.


Maybe if I have time, I'll come up with a list of quotes over at FR disparaging the two.

BWdem4life

(1,661 posts)
17. WTF??
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:59 PM
Mar 2022
Like it or not, Notorious R.B.G. fans, but this is part of her legacy. When you play the Game of Robes, you resign under a normal president or you wait long enough to hand over your seat to The Windmill Guy.


She DIED. How exactly was she supposed to know (1) that Repukes wouldn't block her replacement under Obama like they did Scalia's? 2) that Trump would even be elected? (3) that if he was, she wouldn't live long enough to prevent him from nominating her replacement?

Jack Holmes should be ashamed of himself. Hindsight is 20/20, and there are PLENTY of bad actors (and good people who made mistakes) that combined to cause the Barrett fiasco. Pinning it on RBG is probably one of the worst things I've ever seen written.

GB_RN

(2,350 posts)
20. It Was Her Health History...
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 05:25 PM
Mar 2022

Given her age and her prior history of both colon and pancreatic cancer, the chances of living through the tRump administration were statistically unlikely from the beginning. That’s not hindsight, it’s actuarial data science. No insurance company on the planet would have taken that bet; not even Lloyds of London, which is (in)famous for insuring strange/expensive/high risk things.

Justice Ginsburg knew her risks and should have at least been aware of the odds of her living through one more administration, D or R. Only she could have taken the steps to avoid the eventual outcome at a point where we would have had a guaranteed replacement.

IIRC, Obama had tried to talk her into resigning while he could appoint her replacement, but she fully rebuffed him.

That being said, I’m not going to disparage her legacy by jumping up and down over her refusal to resign when we/I think she should have: It’s done and there’s nothing we can do to undo it. We have to move on.

🖖

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
22. Not to mention, the decision had to factor eight years.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 05:30 PM
Mar 2022

If you can steal an election once ......

BWdem4life

(1,661 posts)
26. Again
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 06:26 PM
Mar 2022

She could not have known Trump would be elected. And it was not certainly not her failure that he was elected. The author is besmirching her legacy for no good reason. Furthermore, he is being condescending and patronizing to her: "When you play the Game of Robes..." Oh, is that what she was doing? Playing a game?

She felt able to continue and wanted to continue, and made a positive difference during those years. Nobody can say who her replacement might have been or what that person might have done. Given the climate, though, certainly the Senate would not have confirmed anyone as liberal as she was. McConnell might have even been bold enough to block a replacement nominee for years. Guaranteed replacement? No such thing these days.

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hay rick

(7,607 posts)
19. RGB's legacy.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 05:16 PM
Mar 2022

Sad but true. Some hubris in the decision to try to gut it out for 4 more years in a job she loved and did well- but with obvious risk to the republic.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
30. Every stupid decision ever made seemed like a splendid idea at the time
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 07:58 PM
Mar 2022

She's a great lady. No one here would disagree.

The decision not to leave when Obama was President and we had the Senate, however, was not very bright.

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