Why is everyone in an uproar?

[imanamerican63]

Biden is completely right “Putin must not be in power”!

[EYESORE 9001]

1. Wut

You’d think I woulda learned by now…

[Magoo48]

2. President Biden, is simply adding his voice to the millions of others worldwide saying the same.

Anyway, I’m happiest when Joe Biden speaks his mind.

[Hortensis]

3. Repub and Russian agitprop for useful idiots.

Biden knew what he was doing in making a simple statement to the world but to the people of Russia above all.

Which is not even slightly the same as POTUS announcing the U.S. is commencing hostile "regime change" operations.

[onetexan]

68. +1 -K&R

[Tickle]

4. I was thinking the same

I don’t understand why his comment is getting such negative publicity

[Rebl2]

10. Same here

Guess we aren’t supposed to say it out loud if it’s another countries leader, even if the whole world is thinking the same thing-get rid of putin.

[BobTheSubgenius]

54. However, you are supposed to say it about your own President.

What a world.

[Rebl2]

56. Go figure 😑

[doc03]

5. Why is it a gaff when it is the truth for a change. Putin threatens the world with nuclear

war and people are shocked at what Biden said. I think it was set up that way it was
a message to the Russians, then the WH would walk it back later. Anyway it needed to be said.

[Zambero]

6. Trumpistas prefer the Helsinki approach

Putin GOOOOOOOOD!
USA calling out Russian election interference BAAAAAAAAAD!

[Ferrets are Cool]

7. Because he has a D behind his name

Simple as that.

[WinstonSmith4740]

18. Exactly!

This is all BS. Joe's advisors need to grow a set. It's not like the Russian people have an actual say in who runs their country. He already has pretty much declared himself "President as long as I want to be." Now,if Joe had said, "Someone needs to put a bullet in Putin's head", I could understand the uproar.

But he didn't. He said what every sane person in the world is thinking...we've got to keep lunatics away from nuclear buttons. Just learned that the Russian Constitution ALLOWS for the use of nukes first if they think their country's survival is at stake,

This has been the nightmare of civilized people since we uncorked that genie...a horribly destructive weapon in the hands of a madman. We can't get the genie back in the bottle, but we can disarm the madman.

[Ferrets are Cool]

60. All this!!!

[KPN]

28. Bingo.

[live love laugh]

66. And bc the outrage is RW manufactured.

[Farmer-Rick]

8. Because he was correct

And GOPers are deathly afraid of the truth. It burns their skin and can make them lose intelligence.

[KPN]

29. Ditto the MSM by association. It isn't

“both-siderism”, it’s blatant bias toward, preference and support for the GQP.

[DanieRains]

35. Republicans Are Mostly Traitors Democrats Defend Democracy

There.

Both sides.

[stopdiggin]

50. being 'correct' - is not cover for blundering about

like a bull in a china shop. (we had one of those guys!) Some things that are 'right' need not necessarily be verbalized (particularly on a diplomatic world stage). It was a misstep - and everyone on the team recognized it.

(please - let's not go down the path of "tellin' it like it is!".)

[Zeitghost]

57. Well said

It was a true statement. But without the ability or desire to make it happen it was a diplomatic mistake if your goal is an end to the current conflict without American involvement or escalation.

[Farmer-Rick]

65. I don't care who thinks it was a blunder or a misstep

My opinions are not based on group think.

I think he was correct. Telling the truth always wins out for me no matter what. It's not behaving like a bull in a China shop to tell the truth....You may not like it but I applaud it.

You have some strange idea that TFG told the truth and don't seem to realize that his "telling it like it is" moments were also lies.

This "telling it like it is" talking point was just another well crafted lie to deflect from his racism, his ableism, his misogyny and his antisemitism. If the GOP colored his remarks with the sheen of "he tells it like it is" then he could say anything and he did.

My favorite "telling it like it is" moment was when he said he and his daughter had sex in common. Yet there is more outrage today over Biden's accurate statement then when TFG revealed he was incestuous.

Go figure.

[stopdiggin]

67. I have nothing but contempt for the "tellin' it like

it is" trope (as well as the people that use it as currency). I would have thought that kind of established itself in my post.

And for similar reasons - I have some misgivings about people who think 'truth' is a get out of jail free card. That's some pretty shallow stuff. (IMHO)
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[Me.]

9. BeCause They're Fools

It was a targeted hit.


They keep mistaking PJB for the idiot fg or trying to. I think the president has stood taller than many of theirrecent presidents.

[skylucy]

11. +100! I've been trying to figure out why the media is all fixated on that.

[Tommymac]

15. Because the 1% controlled media will take every opportunity to spin Biden negatively.

It's what they do.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

72. The 1% controlled media that sold out to Putrid.

Which is 100% of the 1%

[Tommymac]

74. +1 nt

[Midnight Writer]

12. After years of "Benghazi!" and "Lock Her Up!", now we are supposed to play nice?

To me, Putin and his Fifth Columnist supporters are now fair game. They deserve every smear, every insult, every outrageous speculation, every suspicion that gets thrown at them.

Traitors and tyrants should be called out everyday, in everyway.

[Yorkie Mom]

13. Because it sounded like he called for regime change on the international stage.

As Joe has said before, words matter. It was so bad that Biden's team walked it back yesterday and his Secretary of State did this morning.

Did Joe say what most of us think? Yes. Should he have said what he did on the international state? No. Why else would he have walked it back? This isn't 20 dimensional chess.

Just last Friday Russia General Staff limited its war aims in Ukraine, thereby limiting the conflict. The very next day Joe with his gaffe makes the conflict unlimited.

We know that Putin has been obsessed with regime change led by the United States. Remember what he did to Hillary back in 2016 as payback?

Putin has no reason to negotiate for peace at this point.

Also, remember that Putin said he would use nukes when Russia is facing an “existential” threat". Does anyone not think US led regime change (which is probably how this was perceived in Russia) is an "existential threat"?

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What do other leaders think of Biden's gaffe?

Macron

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China

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UK


Note to anyone reading this: Don't come at me with "you don't support the President". That's utter bs. I supported Joe even before the primaries started. He screwed up with a "gaffe" as he is know for, but he did it on the international stage here. I can recognize that and still support our president.

[Tommymac]

16. Macron is a tool. He can go stuff it. President Biden was speaking for The Majority of The People

He said what most of the PEOPLE of the World felt.

The leaders like Macron can take their political games and stuff them where the sun can't shine.

President Joe knows it is The People who matter.

[Yorkie Mom]

19. Joe's people walked it back.

That says he knows he made a mistake saying what he (and the majority of people) did on the world stage. Who do you think sent them out there to retract? They work for the POTUS.

[Tommymac]

21. IMO Joe said the right thing. He knew EXACTLY what he was saying.

And he knew walking it back would rub it in the faces of his detractors.

Just like a lawyer whose tactics get overruled by a judge - but what he said to the jury still hit the target and scored points.

He knows that too.

[KPN]

33. I agree.

[paleotn]

23. IT WAS NOT REGIME CHANGE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!

It was leadership change. Just like we did in 2020 and attempted through impeachment. Ugh. Why in god's name is that so goddamn hard to understand???

THAT is what they're walking back. Misinterpretation of what he said by the reich and the goddamn left. Ugh.

[Yorkie Mom]

32. It was interpreted that way by MOST of the world.

His words matter. What he said evidently wasn't on script. Don't blame me.

[paleotn]

38. Not blaming you. Most of the world didn't interpret it like that....

except those who are dense or have an agenda. The words are rather simple. Putin must not remain in power. Trump must not remain in power. Hey, guess what? He didn't. He got voted out. Might be a bit more violent in Moscow, but the concept is the same. I just can't see how that would be misinterpreted to mean Iraq style regime change. I watched the speech and didn't get that at all from either his words or the context. If someone did, then it's probably intentionally reading in ideas that were not conveyed. Like were not use to the GQP doing that with everything the man utters.

[stopdiggin]

44. yes. it was a misstep, and a rare blunder

by a statesman that has been very adroit on the world stage. Give the guy a break, certainly. But, let's not try to play at, "This was all A-OK." It was a fumble.
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[Nevilledog]

27. So the "walking back the conflict" stage included them using white phosphorus or thermite yesterday?

[stopdiggin]

46. 100% !!

If it was "no big deal" - we wouldn't have people all over the world falling all over themselves to make 'clarifications.'

[bluedigger]

14. I'm not, therefore everybody isn't.

[barbtries]

17. agree 100%

#EndPutin

[CaptainTruth]

20. I'm in an uproar because Republicans are trying to destroy our democracy.

[dlk]

22. It's the daily, manufactured trauma drama

Without a doubt, there is a double standard when it comes to Biden.

[paleotn]

24. Biden did not mean regime change.

I watched the speech. IT'S LEADERSHIP CHANGE HE CALLED FOR!!! Just like most of the world wondered why the fuck we didn't impeach Trump. No one's calling for the fall of the Russian government. Simply remove the goddamn cancer WITHIN the Russian government. Why the fuck is that so hard for people to understand?

[stopdiggin]

40. all true. and yet it was rather clumsy

and a fumble that people were sure to pick up on.

[paleotn]

47. I don't think it was a clumsy fumble at all.

Classic Joe Biden. Straight to the point. Want to end the war and the sanctions? Get rid of Putin. Simple. Straightforward. No clumsy fumbling at all.

[stopdiggin]

55. and the walk-back? by his own people

and half the rest of the free world?
The sentiment might be just fine. Articulating it on a diplomatic world stage? A misstep and a mistake. (and immediately recognized as such)

This was not one of Joe's better moments. (and he's had a ton of them, so he probably gets a bit of grace on this one)

[Emile]

25. Hell I want him to put a bounty on his head!

[stopdiggin]

37. which is exactly why it was

a mistake to say

[Lonestarblue]

26. Biden needs to tell the State Department to stop apologizing to Putin.

The media is doing its usual hand wringing about Biden’s “gaffes.” The WaPo article this morning had thousands of comments, and one I read were absolutely in favor of what Biden said.

If it was a gaffe, I don’t care. It came from Biden’s heart, and it’s true. Putin needs to go. And it doesn’t help that the UK is saying that sanctions can be lifted as soon as Putin agrees to stop the war. NO, NO, and NO. Sanctions need to be in place until Russia has withdrawn all forces from Ukrainian territory, including Crimea, has paid to rebuild Ukrainian cities it has destroyed, has paid reparations to Ukrainian citizens, and has removed its ships from the Black Sea. All those things will happen when Hell freezes over with Putin still the Russian leader.

[DFW]

30. It was a message to the Russian people.

He's smart enough to say it without spelling it out. The pundits are not.

[KPN]

34. THIS

[sop]

53. Legitimate political discourse.

[relayerbob]

31. He should double down

“If your leadership ever wants to rejoin the family of nations, you know what to do.”

[KPN]

36. I believe they already got that message with his first

statement. That was the implication. And I love your spirit.

[relayerbob]

42. Oh, I agree, that was the message.

But as they say, “ Russian dictator, fuck yourself.”

[KPN]

43. ....

[kskiska]

39. But it's okay to say it about Kim Jong Un

[LaMouffette]

41. Three rules of Repubes: "Obstruct, obstruct, obstruct." If Biden had not said that about Putin,

the Repubes would have said he was being weak!

Biden can do no right with those idiots.

[BlueJac]

45. No shit!

Joe just said it out loud in public! Peoples heads exploded over the truth!

[Fiendish Thingy]

48. Well, it's not considered polite or diplomatic to call for the ouster of a nation's leader

In democracies, that’s left for the people to decide.

Not that Biden was wrong to say it, but it is a BFD that he did say it.

[relayerbob]

51. Bombing hospitals isn't either

[iemanja]

70. How does this relate to Biden's statement?

You do realize that Biden has said he has no intention of executing regime change in Russia? Obviously, the Russians have committed horrific crimes in Ukraine. That is not in dispute. The question at issue is whether Biden chose his words hastily.

[randr]

49. Not one sanction should be removed until he out!

If the Russians want to keep him in power they will remain as phirahs.

[Joinfortmill]

52. Exactly right.

[scipan]

58. Ted Lieu

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?t=uEN1DHdUz7nT_oEBSyAUmg&s=19

[peggysue2]

59. Has Putin ever responded to politeness?

Beyond viewing it as weakness? The press is spending an inordinate amount of time discussing the last nine words of President Biden's speech without considering the main theme:

Be not afraid.

Yes, this is risky business. Our response to Putin is risky bc Putin is a habitual aggressor accustomed to the West delaying, deferring and closing its eyes. President Biden has managed to pull our Allies together and become a partner in resisting the latest aggression in Ukraine. According to Putin all our responses--rebukes, arming the Ukrainians, leveling sanctions--are an Act of War which requires being reminded (for the umpteenth time) that Russia is a nuclear power, as well as the indirect, deflected threat of chemical, biological and/or strategic nuclear strikes.

Putin is a master of projection. He's even resorted to the cancel-culture whine.

President Biden said what the whole world is thinking. I don't think it was a mistake. I think it was a warning shot, a pointed message to Putin himself counteracting all the warnings the Kremlin has been giving since the debacle started. Putin is a thug, a butcher, an Assassin-in-Chief. All the pearl-clutching from the press won't change the fact or the man. And it won't bring about a peaceful resolution.

The world is watching and Biden's message comes from strength and faith: We've faced the darkness before.

There was also a very strong outreach to Russian citizens in that speech. The Russian people are not our enemies.

Putin and his cronies are enemies of democracy world-wide.

We need to own those words and,

Be Not Afraid.

[iemanja]

71. If it was a warning shot

Why did Biden and the State Department go to such pains to make sure everyone knows that they don't plan to execute regime change in Russia?

[peggysue2]

75. True, regime change won't come from the outside

But if you look at the entirety of the speech, President Biden directly reaches out to the Russian people. He says quite directly that this war is not worthy of a great nation, one that suffered greatly during WWII. He refers to the Siege of Stalingrad, a parallel to what the Russian people suffered at the hands of the Nazis. Putin is doing that now to Ukraine. He also says the Russian people are not our enemy.

I listened to an interview with Vladimir Kara-Muzra a week ago. He was poisoned twice by Putin's henchmen. He's fighting still from the outside and has stressed that any real, lasting change in Russia can only come from inside, forced into being by Russian citizens.

POTUS's entreaty: Be Not Afraid is a message to the Russian people as well as the rest of the world. It's basically a call to come out of the darkness, so we can all stand in the light. I suspect it will appeal to the younger generations in Russia.

As for the last nine words? Yes, I think they were personally directed to Putin, a shot across the bow. Biden isn't naive or a babe in the woods when it comes to diplomacy and foreign policy. Words matter. President Biden knows Putin; he's dealt with the man for years and knows who and what he is. No doubt Biden has also been afforded excellent intelligence regarding what's going on inside Putin's inner circle. He's rattling the cage at a moment of internal strife bc this war and the subsequent economic sanctions are turning into a debacle for Putin.

In addition? Biden is telling the truth, Putin's Kryptonite.

As for the walk-back? The words of warning and truth are out there regardless of the step back.

[Kaleva]

61. I'm not so everyone isn't in an uproar

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I suspect the vast majority of people in the world aren't either.

[Talitha]

62. Everyone's in an uproar because Joe had the guts to say it out loud.

[BumRushDaShow]

63. He was exactly right

because this is what gets "said" during times of hostilities. It's all rhetoric and the State Dept. follow-up was to assuage the hand-wringers who don't understand the purpose of propaganada.

Any "Democrat" accepting any RW characterizations of what was said as being a "gaffe" or a "mistake" is the perfect example of feeding the "Democrats have no messaging" nonsense.

Those who have followed the U.S. the past 20 years should realize that until this past fall, thanks to the MIC, we have had troops in some theater of operation continuously over those 20 years, whereas Russia has not. And this isn't counting our Iraq/Kuwait engagements nor our Bosnia engagements in the '90s.

I.e., our military is essentially battle hardened vs Russia's only 3rd "full" engagement in some battle (by themselves) since the fall of the Soviet Union after they ended their engagement in Afghanistan (i.e., 2 weeks in 2008 for Georgia, 3 weeks in 2014 for Crimea, and now).

[kcr]

64. Not everyone

Just the pro-Russia dirtbags.

[iemanja]

69. the president's role is not to make wishes

His statement was taken as a threat by Moscow, which is why he had to walk it back. It is irrelevant whether we all think Putin needs to go. The issue is what the US is going to do about it, and it turns out the Biden administration has no intention of forcing him out of power. Therefore his words were not well chosen. I expect they were ad libed.

I understand the trend here is to proclaim everything that Biden does is brilliant. He is a very good president, but he is not infallible. No one is.

[Silent3]

73. A truth better left unspoken, but it doesn't bother me very much since it is so very true n/t

[Sunsky]

76. It's mostly the Putin Party nt