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Warning graphic. The guy who posed it said it was Ukrainians killing Russians but I don't see any (Original Post) Maraya1969 Mar 2022 OP
They are shooting them in the leg. Quixote1818 Mar 2022 #1
So we've got a rando snuff film from a low-level Twitter feed. This doesn't seem useful. Say more? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #2
I had Google translate and it says that it is Ukrainians killing Russians. But I think it Maraya1969 Mar 2022 #3
I have heard reports of Russians shooting themselves in the leg to go home Quixote1818 Mar 2022 #6
Sorry it was posted by a Ukrainian saying it Russian propaganda Maraya1969 Mar 2022 #5
What was posted, who is the Ukrainian, what is Russian propaganda? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #8
That's why I posted it. It's hard to believe that it is Ukrainins shooting but that is what they Maraya1969 Mar 2022 #11
If you suspect it's propaganda, and you don't know the nuances of what's being written or said, why WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #25
I can't remember now and to know what happened you have to left click and have Google translate Maraya1969 Mar 2022 #20
Wow that was omg! Emile Mar 2022 #4
Ukraine needs to court martial those soldiers ASAP Alhena Mar 2022 #7
But are we sure they are Ukrainians? It could be Russians shooting Ukrainians and then lying Maraya1969 Mar 2022 #12
Rumor on twitter is it's Ukrainian Militia shooting Russians for shelling civilians. NutmegYankee Mar 2022 #9
+1, its not policy and UKR are angry ... this is expected and relative to killing them its ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #10
I'm glad the US is not engaged in this conflict. David__77 Mar 2022 #13
Shrug. When soldiers are far afield, defending their homes in an asymmetrical warfare environment... Tarc Mar 2022 #14
Oooh this is gonna get nasty. suckaduck Mar 2022 #15
war porn milestogo Mar 2022 #16
Those guys will probably be using crutches and wheelchairs for the rest of their lives Kaleva Mar 2022 #17
Yep. If they don't bleed out or die of infection they could be living with a stump. Brutal. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2022 #18
If they don't get treatment they will likely die. LisaL Mar 2022 #24
That s the reality of war that Gary Cooper didn't show you. Chainfire Mar 2022 #19
Hard to sort things out, isn't it? Igel Mar 2022 #21
Ukraine says staged fakes FWIW Nevilledog Mar 2022 #22
There's very little screaming for multiple guys shot in the legs NickB79 Mar 2022 #23
Russian Trolls have been posting this everywhere all day FreeState Mar 2022 #26
Because my question was weather or not is was R propaganda. There is no way to tell Maraya1969 Mar 2022 #27
Youtube has a longer version of the video. LisaL Mar 2022 #28

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
3. I had Google translate and it says that it is Ukrainians killing Russians. But I think it
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 11:10 AM
Mar 2022

could be just more Russian propaganda and they are really the ones doing the killing

Quixote1818

(28,930 posts)
6. I have heard reports of Russians shooting themselves in the leg to go home
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 11:15 AM
Mar 2022

If you watch, they are shooting them in the leg. It may be Russian soldiers pretending to be Ukrainians shooting fellow Russians in the leg so they can all go home. Or it really is Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian soldiers in the leg.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
5. Sorry it was posted by a Ukrainian saying it Russian propaganda
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 11:12 AM
Mar 2022

Everyone should see this. "There is no fascism, it's all Russian propaganda," they say.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,329 posts)
8. What was posted, who is the Ukrainian, what is Russian propaganda?
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 11:16 AM
Mar 2022

It's really not clear what's going on here, on multiple levels.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
11. That's why I posted it. It's hard to believe that it is Ukrainins shooting but that is what they
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 11:42 AM
Mar 2022

say it is. I think it might be Russian propaganda

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,329 posts)
25. If you suspect it's propaganda, and you don't know the nuances of what's being written or said, why
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 05:52 PM
Mar 2022

post it?

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
9. Rumor on twitter is it's Ukrainian Militia shooting Russians for shelling civilians.
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 11:18 AM
Mar 2022

I doubt this is policy - it's probably a war crime by a small group. In the case of local militia, they probably lost their homes from shelling and anger/revenge are powerful emotions.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
10. +1, its not policy and UKR are angry ... this is expected and relative to killing them its ...
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 11:19 AM
Mar 2022

... nearly humane for UKR cause these soldiers wont be going back into circulation.

I don't know how I would act if Russia did the same to my country

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
14. Shrug. When soldiers are far afield, defending their homes in an asymmetrical warfare environment...
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:06 PM
Mar 2022

What do you propose they do with captured enemy combatants, if one does not have the manpower or means to maintain P.O.W. camp, or transport them to one promptly?

Let them go? Execute them?

I'm not going to put much condemnation on some Ukrainian forces hobbling captured Russians so they cannot pose a threat, or run.

War isn't pretty, folks.

 

suckaduck

(6 posts)
15. Oooh this is gonna get nasty.
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:14 PM
Mar 2022

The longer this war lasts the more and more we're going to see these types of incidents. You look at what Mariupol and yeah I get it.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
17. Those guys will probably be using crutches and wheelchairs for the rest of their lives
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 01:23 PM
Mar 2022

Getting shot in the leg with an assault rifle is no small thing.

Chainfire

(17,536 posts)
19. That s the reality of war that Gary Cooper didn't show you.
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 01:50 PM
Mar 2022

Atrocity and reprisal go hand in hand. It is inglorious, brutal and ugly. Once a man becomes insensitive to killing it becomes easier and easier. I don't know, in this video, who is killing whom, but it will be happening on both sides; it always has and it always will.

C'est la Guerre

Igel

(35,300 posts)
21. Hard to sort things out, isn't it?
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 04:07 PM
Mar 2022

They're speaking Russian.

The first guy on the ground has a broken leg, they say, but it's unclear if they did it or it was done to them. Still, it sounds like they're diagnosing him, not threatening him--they don't ask him anything, at least not on the video. They do seem pissed when they turn to the others still standing.

And after that the "narrative" gets really, really simple.

"Any officers here? Who's an officer?" They go and shoot. Ask the same question, "Who's the officer?" or "commander?"

It goes from "Who's an officer?" to "Who's the officer?" as the presumption in the word order shifts. (Russian doesn't have an article, but that does *not* mean it doesn't have grammatical definiteness.)

On the ground some are in uniforms--but most are *not* in uniform. Those we see shot in the video are not in uniform.

I don't hear any of those shot or being shot saying anything. Can't say if they're Ukr or Ru speakers.

Two of the uniformed soldiers shooting or with the shooter are wearing blue armbands--that might mean pro-Ukrainian or somebody faking it. Most (all?) armbands that I've seen in videos are yellow for Ukraine or bicolor. There's a barest suggestion on the Internet (that I've seen) that blue might mean extreme right, but it's posed as a question more than anything and might be trying to make a meaningless distinction meaningful. And usually the armbands are narrow.

Making it harder to parse is trying to understand where it is. It's one thing if it's in some berg where they can guard prisoners and have them taken away. It's another thing if they're in some place like Mariupol where the options are incapacitate them and move on before you're killed or let them go to report you and come after you again.

Nevilledog

(51,093 posts)
22. Ukraine says staged fakes FWIW
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 05:37 PM
Mar 2022


Tweet text:

Hromadske Int.
@Hromadske
·
Mar 27, 2022
Videos with allegedly inhumane treatment of Russian prisoners of war by the Ukrainian army were being spread on social networks, — the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine stated that these are Russian staged fakes

Hromadske Int.
@Hromadske
The Commander-in-Chief says these videos are to discredit Ukraine and must scare the Russian military from surrendering to Ukrainians
2:15 PM · Mar 27, 2022

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
23. There's very little screaming for multiple guys shot in the legs
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 05:46 PM
Mar 2022

That alone seems suspicious. A bullet wound to the leg or knee would be excruciating, never mind the fear that the next bullet is aimed at your head.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
27. Because my question was weather or not is was R propaganda. There is no way to tell
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 07:34 PM
Mar 2022

who is shooting who. Except that this Russian guy, probably a bot said it was the Ukrainians doing the shooting.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
28. Youtube has a longer version of the video.
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 08:41 PM
Mar 2022

"The video comes as Ukrainian forces make gains east and south of Kharkiv. CNN geolocated and verified a long video uploaded on a Telegram Saturday showing a successful assault by Ukrainian troops of the Azov Battalion, in which they took a number of Russian prisoners in a rapid assault on Olkhovka, also known as Vilkhivka."

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-27-22/h_6e158d3fc5bc5efe7fc3f10b69b7aeee

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