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highplainsdem

(48,918 posts)
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:36 PM Mar 2022

By saying Putin cannot remain in power, Biden correctly signaled that the US will

accept Putin being removed by Russians who can end the invasion of Ukraine and try to bring sanity and stability in place of Putin's corruption and madness.

I don't think it was a gaffe, even if it was officially walked back.

Whoever in Russia might be in a position to try to remove Putin might also be fearing that the US would still view them as an enemy, with the change in power still seen as a dangerous coup.

Biden made it as clear as possible that Putin -- not the Russian people, and especially not those who oppose Putin -- is the enemy.

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By saying Putin cannot remain in power, Biden correctly signaled that the US will (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 2022 OP
Up a notch in applying pressure on putin empedocles Mar 2022 #1
Have Russian voters been trying to impeach him? leftstreet Mar 2022 #2
just protesting, getting beaten and imprisoned. mopinko Mar 2022 #3
Is there an impeachment process in Russia? wnylib Mar 2022 #26
Impeach a dictator in an authoritarian State with a fully KPN Mar 2022 #37
"U.S. will accept Putin being removed by Russians" stopdiggin Mar 2022 #4
It was a message for the Russian people. DURHAM D Mar 2022 #5
He's not being strong! ........ He's being too strong! underpants Mar 2022 #9
??? Who is being too strong? Biden or Putin? erronis Mar 2022 #16
I was paraphrasing and mocking our media underpants Mar 2022 #20
Oops, my apologies, I did not read your response...next time throw a "sarcasm" gif in there. Escurumbele Mar 2022 #52
What??? Please explain. I do dislike it when someone throws a 1/2 sentence but does not elaborate. Escurumbele Mar 2022 #51
It was meant to be sarcastic underpants Mar 2022 #54
If someone around Putin doesnt do something, arrest him for example Eliot Rosewater Mar 2022 #6
I am hopeful DENVERPOPS Mar 2022 #41
It won't be for us to do anything but accept the Russian people's Hortensis Mar 2022 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #8
Trump speaks at a third grade level, and Ilsa Mar 2022 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #12
Good points! Nt ecstatic Mar 2022 #22
++ llashram Mar 2022 #25
You are right, TFG is a coward, I'm sure he has never been in a street fight. Even today, Pepsidog Mar 2022 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #30
He had a good coach, Roy Cohn. Escurumbele Mar 2022 #53
It's been hinted or guessed that Chump has dyslexia FakeNoose Mar 2022 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #24
Not sure but I don't think so FakeNoose Mar 2022 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #29
Exactly. And he doesn't trust anyone to Ilsa Mar 2022 #45
Perfectly stated. tfg was an embarrasment to any US citizen erronis Mar 2022 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #19
Great one Chin DENVERPOPS Mar 2022 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #43
It's a wonderful diplomatic & political move by Biden and his Ilsa Mar 2022 #10
"Russia, if you are listening, I hope you can find L. Coyote Mar 2022 #13
"Sanctions will not be lifted as long as Putin is in power" dalton99a Mar 2022 #14
Not a gaffe at all. It needed to be said. Baked Potato Mar 2022 #15
"Strategic assuagement" - I like that! highplainsdem Mar 2022 #46
+100000 Pachamama Mar 2022 #47
Putin already knows that the U.S. / Biden does not want him in power.. TeamProg Mar 2022 #18
It wasn't a threat to Putin. It was a statement of fact meant to KPN Mar 2022 #39
It wasn't a threat to Putin. It was a statement of fact meant to KPN Mar 2022 #40
I was referring to those who say Joe's comment was an error. Putin already knows.. n/t TeamProg Mar 2022 #44
Excellent point. ificandream Mar 2022 #23
Besides... Duppers Mar 2022 #31
Joe did a great job communicating to ruskies what they must do, in part, SheltieLover Mar 2022 #32
I do not understand the dust up sanatanadharma Mar 2022 #33
It wasn't kcr Mar 2022 #34
Your last two paras make a lot of sense and took me quite a way past the knee-jerk I had going on. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2022 #35
Yeah it's probably not for a Bin Laden style hit IronLionZion Mar 2022 #36
I agree the wording was careful and almost immediately clarified by Blinken, we do not have a plan. ShazamIam Mar 2022 #38
It was NOT a gaffe! It was right on! ananda Mar 2022 #48
Agree 100% CaptainTruth Mar 2022 #49
I disagree with one of your paragraphs, or maybe I am an optimist... Escurumbele Mar 2022 #50

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
26. Is there an impeachment process in Russia?
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:14 PM
Mar 2022

There are other ways of deposing a country's leader, especially in a country like Russia.

1) Enough Russian people could become convinced that Putin has to go that they rebel - work stoppages, massive demonstrations, civil disobedience - or worse.

2) The powerful, wealthy people who surround Putin could remove him and put someone more sane in his place. It would still be a dictatorship, but not one bent on an empire built by invading Russia's neighbors. The people of Russia might even demand and get some changes within the country if that happened. But even if it didn't, Putin and his attempted empire would be over. Troops out of Ukraine.

Wrong to signal to the powers in Russia that Putin must be overthrown? Is Putin not the guy who worked to put his own asset in the US WH? To overthrow a US election four years later? So signaling his removal to the Russian people is a commensurate retaliation.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
37. Impeach a dictator in an authoritarian State with a fully
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 03:18 PM
Mar 2022

authoritarian government? Who are you kidding!?

erronis

(15,185 posts)
16. ??? Who is being too strong? Biden or Putin?
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 01:35 PM
Mar 2022

It was an emphatic and empathetic speech. Biden was speaking to the crowd in Warsaw that included many refugees from Putin's war. He was also speaking to the Russian people and the world. I totally agree with his content, his tone, his delivery, and especially his end statements.

The last Putin event I saw looked like another wannabe strongman (tfg) haranguing the assembly. Was Putin being too strong?

Escurumbele

(3,379 posts)
52. Oops, my apologies, I did not read your response...next time throw a "sarcasm" gif in there.
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 10:46 AM
Mar 2022

Thank you...and you care correct, that is our "liberal media", not liberal at all. The power of memes, how the right has made people believe the media is liberal when it is the opposite.

Escurumbele

(3,379 posts)
51. What??? Please explain. I do dislike it when someone throws a 1/2 sentence but does not elaborate.
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 10:45 AM
Mar 2022

Please explain, it sounds interesting.

underpants

(182,632 posts)
54. It was meant to be sarcastic
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 01:47 PM
Mar 2022

I was paraphrasing and mocking our media

In their canned reaction to Biden.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
6. If someone around Putin doesnt do something, arrest him for example
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:47 PM
Mar 2022

this will not end well, for all of us it will not.

He is a criminal per the world, UN etc. He can be arrested.

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
41. I am hopeful
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 03:39 PM
Mar 2022

that some high ranking Russian officers block Putin's access to "the button", and finally see this shit for what it is, and intercede.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. It won't be for us to do anything but accept the Russian people's
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:50 PM
Mar 2022

action or inaction. Biden knows that. He's just putting his big voice to the idea for them.

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
11. Trump speaks at a third grade level, and
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:56 PM
Mar 2022

refused, obviously, to get help for whatever learning disorder he had that keeps him from reading.

Response to Ilsa (Reply #11)

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
28. You are right, TFG is a coward, I'm sure he has never been in a street fight. Even today,
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:17 PM
Mar 2022

he will not go after people he knows are intellectually superior to him. To wit: Obama. Trump is scared to death to go after Obama. Trump gets others to do his dirty work. And he is not a stupid as he sounds. I was shocked to listen to his interview with Woodward about the pandemic. Trump knew early on the seriousness of Covid 19. He is, like Reagan, very good at connecting and communicating his views in very simple straight forward language. I was 18yo when Reagan ran for president and he was like a hero to me. I was young, ignorant politically, and like the guy who talked tough. My goodness even back then against Carter and Mondale republicans were masters at portraying democrats as weak and Democrats have never found a way to recast that image. Gore, Kerry both veterans of Vietnam and in Kerry’s case Rs went so far as to turn his strengths into weakness. Instead of a decorated war veteran who came back to fight against an unjust war, they turned Kerry into a war criminal saying he shot a teenage Vietcong fighter in the back. Rs sent people the same village to try and scrub the real history. Night line went as well and found villagers who witnessed Kerry shooting a high ranking Vietnamese Officier who had been harassing the village. Before that, against Gore, Alberto Gonzalez went to the National Guard office where “W” was stationed and scrubbed his file of W’s misconduct and AWOL status. 2022 is gonna be all fake issues: CRT-Trans are invading sports and other non-issues that republicans fall for so easily.

Response to Pepsidog (Reply #28)

Escurumbele

(3,379 posts)
53. He had a good coach, Roy Cohn.
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 10:53 AM
Mar 2022

trump is as stupid and ignorant as it can be but, one thing no one can about trump is that he is not good at being a con artist, and his mafia behaviour is excellent. He controls that mafia behaviour to a tee, he knows how to kill and never get caught, he knows how to manipulate people as well.

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
21. It's been hinted or guessed that Chump has dyslexia
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 01:46 PM
Mar 2022

... and he's spent his entire life trying to cover up the fact that he can barely read.

Dyslexic people CAN read, I'm not saying they can't. However it takes hard work and special training to overcome the disability, and Chump was never one for hard work or special training. His attitude has always been, "Well that's what I pay other people for." It's easy to understand why his vocabulary and world-view are so elementary - or as you say, third-grade level.

Response to FakeNoose (Reply #21)

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
27. Not sure but I don't think so
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:16 PM
Mar 2022

Most likely he gets it prescribed so he doesn't have to buy it illegally.
It's a mood-enhancing drug, am I right?

Response to FakeNoose (Reply #27)

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
45. Exactly. And he doesn't trust anyone to
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 04:05 PM
Mar 2022

help him overcome his disability. I would feel bad for him in having the disability, except he stubbornly refused to get help, and thought it was beneath him to deal with it. He's a real piece of...work...crap...shit.

erronis

(15,185 posts)
17. Perfectly stated. tfg was an embarrasment to any US citizen
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 01:37 PM
Mar 2022

well, ones that care for our democracy.

Response to erronis (Reply #17)

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
42. Great one Chin
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 03:43 PM
Mar 2022

As for the critics of Biden's every word, FUCK YOU.......Biden is doing, and has done, a brilliant job, given what he has faced.....

Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #42)

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
10. It's a wonderful diplomatic & political move by Biden and his
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:54 PM
Mar 2022

PR office. Biden looks assertive and courageous; the PR office takes it on the chin to provide diplomacy. But the idea is out there for discussion: not only that Pootin should be tossed, but that it won't likely happen because he controls Russian elections and leadership.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
15. Not a gaffe at all. It needed to be said.
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 01:32 PM
Mar 2022

I had mentioned before I view the so-called walk back as Strategic Assuagement.

TeamProg

(6,046 posts)
18. Putin already knows that the U.S. / Biden does not want him in power..
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 01:37 PM
Mar 2022

So, it's not threatening news to Putin.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
39. It wasn't a threat to Putin. It was a statement of fact meant to
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 03:23 PM
Mar 2022

be heard by the Russian people, oligarchs and military. What they do with it remains to be seen. But Russia will be shunned and sanctioned by the western world until he is gone most likely … and they get that.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
40. It wasn't a threat to Putin. It was a statement of fact meant to
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 03:24 PM
Mar 2022

be heard by the Russian people, oligarchs and military. What they do with it remains to be seen. But Russia will be shunned and sanctioned by the western world until he is gone most likely … and they get that.

sanatanadharma

(3,689 posts)
33. I do not understand the dust up
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:41 PM
Mar 2022

It's not like such hasn't been said before at government levels about that country's leader has to go.
It does not mean that we will do it.

Panama, Libya, Syria, Venezuela, Afghanistan, Iraq (multiple times), etc iirc.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
34. It wasn't
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:54 PM
Mar 2022

However: "Dems Are Bad at Messaging! They're Weak!" Dem says it like it is with strong, powerful message. "HAIR ON FIRE!!!!"

BobTheSubgenius

(11,560 posts)
35. Your last two paras make a lot of sense and took me quite a way past the knee-jerk I had going on.
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:57 PM
Mar 2022

All I thought I wanted was Putin gone, by any means. There is more to it, obviously.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
36. Yeah it's probably not for a Bin Laden style hit
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 03:02 PM
Mar 2022

it's more to inspire the Russian people to take him out like Mussolini or Ceausescu or have him take himself out in a bunker like Hitler.

ShazamIam

(2,564 posts)
38. I agree the wording was careful and almost immediately clarified by Blinken, we do not have a plan.
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 03:20 PM
Mar 2022

He didn't say there was no desire for a change. /lol

Escurumbele

(3,379 posts)
50. I disagree with one of your paragraphs, or maybe I am an optimist...
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 10:43 AM
Mar 2022
"Whoever in Russia might be in a position to try to remove Putin might also be fearing that the US would still view them as an enemy, with the change in power still seen as a dangerous coup."

I believe the USA will sit with the new leader of Russia to weight him/her out, I don't think the USA would automatically feel they are our enemy, I believe that an open relationship with anyone who gets rid of Putin would be the first step the USA would take, and things could be so much better everywhere.

With Putin out of the picture, a lot of places around the World will have to change, including countries in South America where Putin influence has been so great during the last 20+ years.
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