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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBy saying Putin cannot remain in power, Biden correctly signaled that the US will
accept Putin being removed by Russians who can end the invasion of Ukraine and try to bring sanity and stability in place of Putin's corruption and madness.
I don't think it was a gaffe, even if it was officially walked back.
Whoever in Russia might be in a position to try to remove Putin might also be fearing that the US would still view them as an enemy, with the change in power still seen as a dangerous coup.
Biden made it as clear as possible that Putin -- not the Russian people, and especially not those who oppose Putin -- is the enemy.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)leftstreet
(36,101 posts)Have they been in the process of removing him?
mopinko
(70,023 posts)wnylib
(21,346 posts)There are other ways of deposing a country's leader, especially in a country like Russia.
1) Enough Russian people could become convinced that Putin has to go that they rebel - work stoppages, massive demonstrations, civil disobedience - or worse.
2) The powerful, wealthy people who surround Putin could remove him and put someone more sane in his place. It would still be a dictatorship, but not one bent on an empire built by invading Russia's neighbors. The people of Russia might even demand and get some changes within the country if that happened. But even if it didn't, Putin and his attempted empire would be over. Troops out of Ukraine.
Wrong to signal to the powers in Russia that Putin must be overthrown? Is Putin not the guy who worked to put his own asset in the US WH? To overthrow a US election four years later? So signaling his removal to the Russian people is a commensurate retaliation.
KPN
(15,637 posts)authoritarian government? Who are you kidding!?
stopdiggin
(11,248 posts)ya think?
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DURHAM D
(32,606 posts)American press diarrhea mouth does not matter. F them.
underpants
(182,632 posts)erronis
(15,185 posts)It was an emphatic and empathetic speech. Biden was speaking to the crowd in Warsaw that included many refugees from Putin's war. He was also speaking to the Russian people and the world. I totally agree with his content, his tone, his delivery, and especially his end statements.
The last Putin event I saw looked like another wannabe strongman (tfg) haranguing the assembly. Was Putin being too strong?
underpants
(182,632 posts)In their canned reaction to Biden.
Escurumbele
(3,379 posts)Thank you...and you care correct, that is our "liberal media", not liberal at all. The power of memes, how the right has made people believe the media is liberal when it is the opposite.
Escurumbele
(3,379 posts)Please explain, it sounds interesting.
underpants
(182,632 posts)I was paraphrasing and mocking our media
In their canned reaction to Biden.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)this will not end well, for all of us it will not.
He is a criminal per the world, UN etc. He can be arrested.
DENVERPOPS
(8,790 posts)that some high ranking Russian officers block Putin's access to "the button", and finally see this shit for what it is, and intercede.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)action or inaction. Biden knows that. He's just putting his big voice to the idea for them.
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Ilsa
(61,690 posts)refused, obviously, to get help for whatever learning disorder he had that keeps him from reading.
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ecstatic
(32,653 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)he will not go after people he knows are intellectually superior to him. To wit: Obama. Trump is scared to death to go after Obama. Trump gets others to do his dirty work. And he is not a stupid as he sounds. I was shocked to listen to his interview with Woodward about the pandemic. Trump knew early on the seriousness of Covid 19. He is, like Reagan, very good at connecting and communicating his views in very simple straight forward language. I was 18yo when Reagan ran for president and he was like a hero to me. I was young, ignorant politically, and like the guy who talked tough. My goodness even back then against Carter and Mondale republicans were masters at portraying democrats as weak and Democrats have never found a way to recast that image. Gore, Kerry both veterans of Vietnam and in Kerrys case Rs went so far as to turn his strengths into weakness. Instead of a decorated war veteran who came back to fight against an unjust war, they turned Kerry into a war criminal saying he shot a teenage Vietcong fighter in the back. Rs sent people the same village to try and scrub the real history. Night line went as well and found villagers who witnessed Kerry shooting a high ranking Vietnamese Officier who had been harassing the village. Before that, against Gore, Alberto Gonzalez went to the National Guard office where W was stationed and scrubbed his file of Ws misconduct and AWOL status. 2022 is gonna be all fake issues: CRT-Trans are invading sports and other non-issues that republicans fall for so easily.
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Escurumbele
(3,379 posts)trump is as stupid and ignorant as it can be but, one thing no one can about trump is that he is not good at being a con artist, and his mafia behaviour is excellent. He controls that mafia behaviour to a tee, he knows how to kill and never get caught, he knows how to manipulate people as well.
FakeNoose
(32,596 posts)... and he's spent his entire life trying to cover up the fact that he can barely read.
Dyslexic people CAN read, I'm not saying they can't. However it takes hard work and special training to overcome the disability, and Chump was never one for hard work or special training. His attitude has always been, "Well that's what I pay other people for." It's easy to understand why his vocabulary and world-view are so elementary - or as you say, third-grade level.
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FakeNoose
(32,596 posts)Most likely he gets it prescribed so he doesn't have to buy it illegally.
It's a mood-enhancing drug, am I right?
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Ilsa
(61,690 posts)help him overcome his disability. I would feel bad for him in having the disability, except he stubbornly refused to get help, and thought it was beneath him to deal with it. He's a real piece of...work...crap...shit.
erronis
(15,185 posts)well, ones that care for our democracy.
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DENVERPOPS
(8,790 posts)As for the critics of Biden's every word, FUCK YOU.......Biden is doing, and has done, a brilliant job, given what he has faced.....
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Ilsa
(61,690 posts)PR office. Biden looks assertive and courageous; the PR office takes it on the chin to provide diplomacy. But the idea is out there for discussion: not only that Pootin should be tossed, but that it won't likely happen because he controls Russian elections and leadership.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)a better president."
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)I had mentioned before I view the so-called walk back as Strategic Assuagement.
highplainsdem
(48,918 posts)Pachamama
(16,884 posts)It was very intentional and strategic and smart
TeamProg
(6,046 posts)So, it's not threatening news to Putin.
KPN
(15,637 posts)be heard by the Russian people, oligarchs and military. What they do with it remains to be seen. But Russia will be shunned and sanctioned by the western world until he is gone most likely and they get that.
KPN
(15,637 posts)be heard by the Russian people, oligarchs and military. What they do with it remains to be seen. But Russia will be shunned and sanctioned by the western world until he is gone most likely and they get that.
TeamProg
(6,046 posts)ificandream
(9,340 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)Hasn't Putin been trying to interfere in U.S. politics?!
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)For sanctions to be lifted.
sanatanadharma
(3,689 posts)It's not like such hasn't been said before at government levels about that country's leader has to go.
It does not mean that we will do it.
Panama, Libya, Syria, Venezuela, Afghanistan, Iraq (multiple times), etc iirc.
kcr
(15,315 posts)However: "Dems Are Bad at Messaging! They're Weak!" Dem says it like it is with strong, powerful message. "HAIR ON FIRE!!!!"
BobTheSubgenius
(11,560 posts)All I thought I wanted was Putin gone, by any means. There is more to it, obviously.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)it's more to inspire the Russian people to take him out like Mussolini or Ceausescu or have him take himself out in a bunker like Hitler.
ShazamIam
(2,564 posts)He didn't say there was no desire for a change. /lol
ananda
(28,837 posts)!!!
CaptainTruth
(6,576 posts)Escurumbele
(3,379 posts)I believe the USA will sit with the new leader of Russia to weight him/her out, I don't think the USA would automatically feel they are our enemy, I believe that an open relationship with anyone who gets rid of Putin would be the first step the USA would take, and things could be so much better everywhere.
With Putin out of the picture, a lot of places around the World will have to change, including countries in South America where Putin influence has been so great during the last 20+ years.