Um, isn't how the west was won about killing indians?

[lindysalsagal]

Am I wrong about that?

[Thomas Hurt]

1. well, killing them, displacing them, stealing their land, and trying to destroy their culture

you know attempted genocide. The christofascist still bitch about nowadays...about how the "other" won't assimilate.

[hlthe2b]

2. It was a movie in five chapters covering the movement west through Gold Rush, Civil War and building

of the railroads.

While it has been many years since I've seen it, I don't recall the violence being particularly Indian-centric, but rather among the settlers, bandits, Civil War.

Plenty of Westerns of the era were far worse in that regard.

[lindysalsagal]

5. Ok. Costner just revered it in biblical accalaides....

[hlthe2b]

6. He was referencing his impressions as a 7 year old sneaking into see his first "adult" movie.

and the impressions he got from the multiple directors of that film. I didn't see anything wrong with what he said. That obviously was a factor in influencing his decisions to become an actor/director.

[Deuxcents]

10. ☝️

[Ocelot II]

7. He was reacting to a movie he saw as a seven-year-old in 1962.

A seven-year-old would have been gobsmacked. I was just a little older when I saw it and I was gobsmacked too. At that time it was the sort of movie that made you love going to the movies.

[BlackSkimmer]

13. This. nt

[Ocelot II]

3. Some of that, yes, but there was a lot more - it was a huge, long, epic movie

in Cinerama, and in 1962 it would have blown everybody's socks off. I saw it as a kid, too, and it certainly blew mine off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_West_Was_Won_(film) More of it dealt with the railroads and the Civil War.

[global1]

4. It Is An Epic Movie About How The West Was Settled And ....

the people and famlies that were a part of that development. If all you took from that movie that it was about killing indians - then perhaps you should watch it again - because you missed its greatness as an honest account of part of the history of this country.

[dweller]

8. That's putting it mildly

The plan was Manifest Destiny …

“ Another possible influence is racial predominance, namely the idea that the American Anglo-Saxon race was "separate, innately superior" and "destined to bring good government, commercial prosperity and Christianity to the American continents and the world". Author Reginald Horsman wrote in 1981, this view also held that "inferior races were doomed to subordinate status or extinction." and that this was used to justify "the enslavement of the blacks and the expulsion and possible extermination of the Indians".[31]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny



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[ymetca]

9. The cinematography was extraordinary for the time

much like the David Lean films of that general era, with all the panoramic sweep. But with actors ill-fitting their parts of course, also typical of Hollywood, and unlike Lean's mastery of the art.

Jeremiah Johnson is a much better film, IMHO. Or any of John Ford's westerns, of course. Hmm, maybe even some of Sergio Leone's spaghetti westerns would be better. Who knows?

We keep re-writing that history in film, and getting it wrong every time, so.. maybe that's part of the fascination?

[pecosbob]

15. I came of age when the revisonist westerns were coming out from directors like Peckinpah and Leone

Once the Hays code was dropped westerns got a lot better in my view. The Ballad of Cable Hogue is still one of my favorites.

[Marcuse]

11. The West was won by a special military operation.

[Achilleaze]

18. ...and disease

Native peoples of this hemisphere died by the millions...plague after plague after plague.

[oasis]

12. No. nt

[Midnight Writer]

14. I'm sorry, sir, but I'm going to have to verify if you are from a Red State before I can answer that

I think I can get sued 10 thousand dollars or something for educating Red Staters about American History that makes them uncomfortable.

[Duncan Grant]

16. Just wanted you to know that comment wasn't wasted. That's razor sharp.

Steinbeck worthy.

[leftyladyfrommo]

17. I just remember the music. nt