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Tl/dr: Id rather discuss duck crap than Smith/Rock.
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A pair of what I think are hybrid mallards appeared nearby about two months ago and of course now we have baby ducks. They crap everywhere including in the pool. Bacteria from their crap on the pool can make people esp kids sick. Dogs get sick from their crap on land. I wonder about the effects on species in the nearby ocean from their crap washing downstream. The monk seals are badly affected by cat crap already.
The ducks interbreed with native Koloa ducks and make the rare Hawaiian species even more threatened.
They are cute and they deserve to live as much as anybody but they have to get out of here. So far nobody has offered to take them home. When they are moved they come back.
I dont know what to do to get rid of them. Has to be humane and cant spread species that dont belong here.
Im calling Hawaii fish and wildlife in the morning for advice but wondered if you folks had any ideas.
Demovictory9
(32,324 posts)also kept beach balls floating in the pool.
Demovictory9
(32,324 posts)mahina
(17,506 posts)Ive heard mixed results.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)mahina
(17,506 posts)Demovictory9
(32,324 posts)FSogol
(45,357 posts)Maybe you can order one of those cyanide bombs Idaho is using for unwanted wildlife...
NickB79
(19,113 posts)The Hawaiian mallard is an endangered species because of feral mallards.
https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/wildlife/koloa/
This isn't just "unwanted wildlife". Feral mallards need to be exterminated.
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)I'm sensing far more concern about their inconvenience than the invasive species issue. So, I wonder what would be the attitude toward the neighbor's native species-eating pet cat or dogs--neither of which are native to Hawaii either. If they become big enough nuisances... what then?
Yes, I am sensitive as one who works to save Colorado wildlife against some of the self-entitled newcomers to the area that illegally poison the wild rabbits that enter their non-fenced, unprotected gardens (or bully county commissioners to kill off the very territorial and thus nonmigrating prairie dog colonies a full four miles from the nearest house and on public land) or seek to have raptors limited because of a false concern that they are causing major decreases in the songbird populations. You may have a favored species of wildlife, but that doesn't mean you have the right to decide what lives and dies and where. Science-based decisions using population control is the purview of the state wildlife officials and their academic partners--not inconvenienced home-owners or the generally disgruntled.
NickB79
(19,113 posts)And the 3S rule (shoot, shovel, shut up) is widely applied to dogs seen chasing deer in my neck of the woods. So, there's that.
Unfortunately, we both know that scientific research takes a backseat when cute but non-native species are the ones doing the damage to native species.
Emile
(21,905 posts)mahina
(17,506 posts)I see the same plastic geese listed as used for hunting as well as deterrents.
Thanks very much.
Emile
(21,905 posts)Vinca
(50,170 posts)watching the crows crap on our cars. Pool? What is this pool you speak of? Can you skate on it? (Yep - I'm jealous.)
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)And thought I read that cows were crapping on your car.
I visualized that for a minute and then went back and reread it lol
mahina
(17,506 posts)Lol! 🤣
Vinca
(50,170 posts)mahina
(17,506 posts)Stay warm.
Wounded Bear
(58,440 posts)Perhaps focusing on a "humane" solution is the wrong approach. Fish and Wildlife may not.
mahina
(17,506 posts)They wont come and do it, theyll tell me to do it and I dont have any weapons or capacity
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)Given that it is Hawaii and not the mainland US, the migratory issue is front and center in a way it would not be in the contiguous US. Please don't advise someone to illegally catch or kill in direct opposition to Federal law.
Migratory Bird Permits; Control Order for Introduced Migratory Bird Species in Hawaii
A Rule by the Fish and Wildlife Service on 07/25/2017
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/07/25/2017-15471/migratory-bird-permits-control-order-for-introduced-migratory-bird-species-in-hawaii
panader0
(25,816 posts)mahina
(17,506 posts)I could sell tickets. Watching me try would be pretty funny.
panader0
(25,816 posts)I have never had ducks but I have had their eggs many times and they're very good.
mahina
(17,506 posts)No I do not but thanks.
GoCubsGo
(32,061 posts)Around here, we have individuals who will remove raccoons, bats, and other critters out of one's attic, etc., and humanely relocate them. Sometimes animal rescues will do the same. These ducks sound like candidates for having their wings clipped and getting retired to someone's farm.
mahina
(17,506 posts)hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)mahina
(17,506 posts)Emile
(21,905 posts)mahina
(17,506 posts)But I do feel bad for him. He seems distressed
Hekate
(90,195 posts)But we do need photos
Sorry no can
🤙🏼🤙🏼
NickB79
(19,113 posts)Hopefully the Fish and Wildlife guys catch and euthanize them for you.
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)law covering migratory birds. Here is the Federal Register citation, though I'm sure you will just get your gun and go to town as you claim to for dogs and cats. My contempt for that attitude is unlimited and I hope you are caught if you do so.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/07/25/2017-15471/migratory-bird-permits-control-order-for-introduced-migratory-bird-species-in-hawaii
Migratory Bird Permits; Control Order for Introduced Migratory Bird Species in Hawaii
A Rule by the Fish and Wildlife Service on 07/25/2017
NickB79
(19,113 posts)I said I support exterminating them when they threaten native wildlife as feral or free-ranging. For example, as Australia is doing to protect their native species, as a state-sanctioned, well-placed, overwhelming action backed by science. Unfortunately, they're acting after dozens have gone extinct already.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/australias-cats-kill-two-billion-animals-annually-180977235/
The science is clear regarding the damage feral predators do. And as you said, science-based decisions using population control is the purview of the state wildlife officials and their academic partners--not inconvenienced home-owners or the generally disgruntled. If you believe this, actions like those taken in Australia are a non-issue.
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)is the answer. Period. And not all population-control measures are, nor need to be lethal. Of course, to say that doesn't sound so macho, I guess. I oversee just such a program for prairie dogs needed to protect the endangered black-footed ferrets in northern Colorado. Both pre-date white human settler populations in the West and are actually needed for a healthy ecology, despite the rancorous protests from those new to Colorado who think they are moles or gophers or woodchucks or groundhogs.
NickB79
(19,113 posts)I love science, and I love watching the cute native birds in the prairie restoration on my land. Not a lot of macho men sit around in bars, trading stories of spying meadowlarks and endangered bumblebees over beers 🤣
mahina
(17,506 posts)Person who answered the phone just asked me a series of questions. Have I called the department of health, have I called the department of land and natural resources, have I called the department of agriculture??? No, brah, Im calling you, Dept of Wildlife, to tell me what I should do. I loved him for a minute and then I didnt anymore.