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I've mentioned before in other posts that my hobby is amateur radio. While amateur (or "ham" ) radio is officially banned in Ukraine (so we are told), an interesting thing happened to me. Last night I heard a station within the contested Donbas region near Donetsk asking for contacts. This station had an unusual callsign not consistent with typical amateur UKR callsigns nor issued or approved by the ITU, the International Telecommunications Union which co-ordinates such things. Speculation is it is issued by the provisional separatist government in Donbas. Tonight while operating I had another station, also within Donbas call me. This station had a typical UKR government approved callsign. As soon as we concluded contact another UKR station called me! This one was not within Donbas, but just immediately west of that region. He also had a standard issue government assigned callsign, recognizable by the prefix. Nope, I didn't contact the separatist station, nor was anyone else that I could detect. Not even Russians.
As you may well imagine, this had my head spinning a bit. The fact that there are hams operating within Donbas is amazing in itself. The fact of the callsign discrepancy within Donbas clearly shows there are civilians in close proximity with distinctly different allegiances, one to the separatist movement and the other to the UKR government. How touch and go daily life must be! Yikes!
Technically, I would like to clarify that these contacts are made in a digital, over-the-air mode and are not conversational. I have a computer interfaced to my radio and software with a special protocol. A bare minimum of info is exchanged, callsigns, an approximate location and signal quality report. No asking "How's the war coming along, Vlad?" It would be nice if it were more personal, but under the circumstances I think this is terrific. Sometimes this hobby literally puts one on the front lines. Wow.
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elleng
(130,865 posts)Welcome to DU, keep us informed, and educate us (as much as possible) how ham radio works.
...for this thread. A quick Google of "Ham Radio' or "Amateur Radio" will give you more info than one can absorb in a lifetime! Suffice to say it ain't dead!
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Do keep us posted on further contacts!!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)and there are several free websites that you can use to get the info and practice tests.
Morse code is no longer required for any license class, and there are several very inexpensive yet capable radios on the market that can get you started out on a budget.
n/t
yorkster
(1,481 posts)Too bad there isn't a radiogarden for ham radio stations.
Can you link up to amateur radio in Russia? Thought I heard something when this awful war started about there being a network of ham operators.
Thx for this. I think there would be a lot of interest in this on DU. I know very little about this topic as is pretty evident, but communications are crucial from that region
given the reality on the ground.
k0rs
(72 posts)Yes, absolutely. Even during the cold war the Soviet Union permitted amateur contacts with the west. Long, involved discussions were definitely discouraged by their gov't however. Postcards could be exchanged with Soviet hams, but they all went through a bureau in Moscow and were censored for "decadent" material such as photos of expensive western radio equipment. Interestingly, pictures of antennas were OK, tho. Go figure. This exchange included the former Soviet satellite republics and replies could take well over a year.
Most Soviet hams built their own stuff from surplus military equipment donated by the gov't. Club stations were also popular because resource poor hams could pool there efforts. Back then most contacts were via Morse code. The exception was KGB agents which used amateur voice communications to study American speech patterns, slang and regional dialects. They also were permitted wider ranging conversations. Digital communication is very popular now, but it is still "over-the-air" via the magic carpet of shortwave radio! Now you can even mail Russian hams directly to their homes. It was quite the change when the wall came down and Soviet hams began to give their private residential address out over the air.
And yes, my screen name is my FCC assigned callsign. What appears to be an "Oh" is a zero; Ø.
yorkster
(1,481 posts)Get the radios in and the truth out.
Well, it would make a great movie I suppose.
This is very informative, as well as a note of hope.
Thanks again.
are currently assisting the UKR military intercepting Russian's coms. The Russkys have been using older technology radios and the hams are finding their coms very insecure. I listened to an audio file where a Russian deployment was begging for food over insecure radio channels:
Burdan 19 (Russian Deployment):
Please send food! 120 meals. Enough for 120 troops!
Ukraine jammmer:
Go home Burdan! Better to be deserter than fertilizer!
yorkster
(1,481 posts)Keep up the good work!
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)it was during the peak of a very good sunspot cycle and we had world-wide communications on the amateur HF bands for many hours a day. After the old Soviet Union broke up it was like all the chains fell off the Russian ham operators and for a while they were all over the bands and you couldn't shut them up! They went from call, and signal report only to descriptions of their equipment, the weather, and regular rag-chews. It was like they were so happy that they were finally allowed to really talk to us.
There were a couple of weeks in 1990 or 91 when the 10 meter band was open world-wide for most of the day. My dad and I used to chat on 10 meter SSB when I was on my 1.5 hour commute home from work each day. (I was in Calif., he was in Chicago.) One day a ham named Boris in Moscow jumped into our chat and we talked for over an hour. He joined us almost every day for about two weeks before we lost band conditions and never heard from him again. Interestingly, I was then working in an intel related job and with a security clearance that required that I notify my Special Security Officer of all foreign contacts, including that one. I did and he freaked out but couldn't tell me to stop. He cautioned me not to reveal any classified info (Duh?) and that there would probably be "others" monitoring the conversation. I thought that was pretty funny at the time, maybe not so much now.
Anyway, you just got me reminiscing about the old days and a really good sunspot cycle. I'll quit now.
73
It was amazing when Russian hams began to travel out of Russia proper, about 1989. They often had access many communist and former communist countries where westerners weren't particularly welcome or had difficulty obtaining a license. Suddenly many rare locations had an amateur presence on the air where there had been none. Incidentally, 10 meters is firing up again with the advent of the new solar cycle which is progressing ahead of predictions.
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)Sounds like a nice set of contacts!
My wife and I got our first licenses right after the Nisqually earthquake here in the Seattle area when we found out how useless the cellphone system is in an emergency/disaster situation. Upgraded to General a few years ago, and have been studying to make the upgrade to Extra. We're members of the BEARS - Boeing Employee's Amateur Radio Society (my wife was a Boeing engineer before she retired).
I've built a few radios - a TunaTin II (I cheated a little and built it in a chopped clams can, instead of tuna), a Rockmite, and an Elecraft K2. Don't have a decent antenna system up, but have been exploring the options we have for our location and small lot.
Although CW (Morse code for the non-hams here) is still my favorite. I have two K2s and a K3 for low power (QRP). Main radios are Kenwood. 73
PS: 73 is ham jargon for "Best Regards." Many abbreviations became convention when Morse code was the only mode of communications and hams sought brevity where ever possible. I know you know this, but lots of non-hams and even those who have never heard of amateur radio these days abound here! < me listening to the ham bands!
StarryNite
(9,443 posts)And welcome to DU!
Keep us posted.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)mitch96
(13,892 posts)My nite light had more power than my little rig.. Big ass vertical out back. For me it was all about the antennas..As the saying goes, when things get rough, Ham Radio will get you thru.
Great fun and another hobby down by the way side..
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dumbcat
(2,120 posts)The guy that runs our weekly 40m SSB net on Tues nights is originally from Ukraine. (He's in South Carolina now.) He is still in contact with friends and family in UKR, via both radio and internet modes, and gives us a pretty good update on what's going on over there each week. Our net is pretty much former military and particularly signal and intel guys and we keep it sorta private and low key so I really don't want to give out the time and freq.
I've been a ham radio operator for 61 years. Got my Novice license when I was 12 in 1961. That led to a career in electrical engineering and RDT&E in the Army. Now retired and still very active on pretty much all bands and modes and with the local club. It's a great hobby for a liketime.
Cognitive_Resonance
(1,546 posts)k0rs
(72 posts)I didn't think the technical aspects would be of much interest here, but obviously there are other hams on DU. Licensed in 1964 and I was a MARS (Military Affiliate Radio System) operator during Viet Nam running phone patches from 'Nam to Ft Leonard Wood MO. 73.
ruet
(10,039 posts)You can get into radio listening without spending a penny by taking advantage of WebSDR sites. WebSDR allows you to access public SDRs (Software-Defined Radio) from around the world. It's a smidge technical but once you get the basics down you can operate any of the radios with ease.
websdr.org
Next, if you want to get your own radio receiver on the cheap; you can purchase an SDR kit for under $50. Though $70 would be better spent. ...and the software is free. This is a fair bit more technical, mostly on initial setup, but there are guides available.
I'd post some links but I don't want to get this posted removed for commercial SPAM. Just search for "sdr dongle kit" with your favorite search engine.
Be warned, this rabbit hole is very, very, deep. You'll be looking into building your own antennas in no time.
scipan
(2,341 posts)I live in an apartment complex and they almost always have bans on antennas, so can you do anything much without one other than websdr?
ruet
(10,039 posts)out of household wire, a balun and an SMA male to SMA male adaptor. Run it down the length of your apt or toss one end out of your window and run the other end around the room. It won't be amazing but you should pick up a fair bit. Heck, I'm surprised how much I can pick up with the included antennas. All of it is in my Amazon cart for $58.89. For $60 it's fun just to muck about with. OTOH, you don't have to do anything to listen to WebSDR.
scipan
(2,341 posts)I used to have a radio that got 2 shortwave and 1 longwave band. You could get stations in Europe depending on I think the cloud cover, not sure I'm remembering correctly, but the waves would bounce against the upper atmosphere. I loved that thing.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)in these days of HOAs and Restrictive Covenants becoming more common. It has led to a whole new subset of the hobby known as Stealth Amateur Radio. Just google that phrase and you will find a wealth of info on stealth antennas and other equipment designed to hide from HOAs and nosey neighbors.
And the thing that irks me is that back in the bad old days, 30-50 years ago, sometimes neighbors had a legitimate complaint with ham operators causing Television Interference (TVI) on their TVs due to the radio waves interference. That has almost now completely disappeared due to advances in the radio and TV technology and the use of cable and satellite TV using frequencies far removed from the amateur (ham) frequencies. The main issues now are purely aesthetics. Neighbors just don't want to see antennas. Thus, the development of "stealth" antennas.
scipan
(2,341 posts)and I just don't use TV much, what with all the internet options, so I can commiserate with people getting interference, but you say it's partially fixed.
I have wanted to try this since childhood when a friend's brother had a ham radio (60 years ago!) but it seemed kinda hard getting a license etc. Thanks for the info. I find I am ready to do a lot of things I have been putting off, since I probably don't have a lot of time left.