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kentuck

(111,095 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:15 AM Mar 2022

The question that scratches the conscience of America?

How deep is the corruption?

With the inexplicable actions of Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg and the inactions of our esteemed Attorney General and the Dept of Justice, one cannot help but wonder who is being paid off and does justice really matter in this country? It is understandable.

Of course, we do not know what Merrick Garland knows. That is probably a safe bet. Perhaps he doesn't want to charge Mark Meadows with contempt because there are much more serious charges that await? We are advised to be patient.

But still, there is that small itch that needs to be scratched.

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The question that scratches the conscience of America? (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2022 OP
Did you know that Mike Lee, Utah Senator, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #1
I did not know that. kentuck Mar 2022 #3
Christopher Wray is a member of the Federalist Society, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #5
Garland was known to be conservative. Obama nominated him because he was considered Lonestarblue Mar 2022 #18
I could not agree more, good post. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #22
Very accurate description of the state of affairs. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #28
No, the real question is "Are there two sets of laws in 'Merica?" Ferrets are Cool Mar 2022 #2
you know the answer to that one RussBLib Mar 2022 #13
Maybe we're not that different from Russia after all Mr. Ected Mar 2022 #4
I mean, yes, spot on. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #6
Unfortunately I Rebl2 Mar 2022 #24
It's not a small itch. More like a festering boil the size of a baseball. Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #7
Dr. Pimple Popper would probably do a better job lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #29
I don't find that it needs to be scratched with conspiracy theories. brooklynite Mar 2022 #8
I agree, Merrick Garland is an honorable person, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #26
It's surely disheartening to hear the Jan6 committee calling out Garland to 'do your job'. spanone Mar 2022 #9
I think the DOJ may have already decided that nothing will be investigated unless it is bi-partisan kentuck Mar 2022 #10
If that's the case the country itself may be doomed. spanone Mar 2022 #11
I think it will be the end of Party politics as we now know it... kentuck Mar 2022 #12
Oh, no. An investigation by a single party (the GQP) is doomed to succeed. erronis Mar 2022 #16
If we lose the House they will impeach Biden more than Trump, just so they can campaign on it. CrispyQ Mar 2022 #30
If we find out more as we get DownriverDem Mar 2022 #14
What do you win? kentuck Mar 2022 #15
If only Schiff or Raskin had been appointed AG. Pepsidog Mar 2022 #17
When you leave Traildogbob Mar 2022 #19
Widespread, many layers, victims and perpetrators, Puppeteers at the head bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #20
I don't call the risk to democracy a small itch. 58Sunliner Mar 2022 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #23
I keep flashing back to the Mueller investigation MadMike47 Mar 2022 #25
I respectfully disagree, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #27
Accurate summary! Thanks. n/t TeamProg Mar 2022 #31

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
1. Did you know that Mike Lee, Utah Senator,
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:27 AM
Mar 2022

wanted Trump to replace James Comey, after he was fired, with Merrick Garland? Maybe Lee wanted to open up Garland's spot on the DC circuit, but still, a Republican Senator was OK having Garland head the FBI.

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
3. I did not know that.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:32 AM
Mar 2022

But Lee was writing a book at the time and he seems rather delusional at times.

Personally, I have more questions about the present FBI Director than the present Attorney General. Sometimes they seem to be so far behind the scenes that they are almost invisible.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
5. Christopher Wray is a member of the Federalist Society,
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:53 AM
Mar 2022

Merrick Garland was involved in at least 10 Federalist Society conventions, although there is no proof that Garland is an actual member.
He was pretty involved with them.

Lonestarblue

(9,988 posts)
18. Garland was known to be conservative. Obama nominated him because he was considered
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:38 AM
Mar 2022

to be conservative enough that Republicans would vote for him. Of course, we all know how that turned out. I believe Biden chose Garland as AG as a sort of consolation prize, and I may be in the minority here, but I believe he was the wrong person for the job. He has been described as slow and methodical—perhaps good qualities in a Supreme Court justice but not in a DOJ virtually destroyed by Trump and Barr. By seemingly doing nothing about the planners and funders of the coup attempt, the DOJ has allowed Republicans many months to paint any investigation as just politics. The shock of January 6 has worn off because it has been allowed to disappear.

The amount of time that has elapsed since January 6 is not reasonable. Yes, a thorough investigation takes time, but there has been no indication that the DOJ is doing any investigations of anyone but the foot soldiers of January 6. And even many of them have been given very light sentences, as if attempted insurrection was nothing more than a misdemeanor of no importance.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
22. I could not agree more, good post.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:09 AM
Mar 2022

Mueller is given a hard time here and yet in 3 months Mueller indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and 3 companies.
Mueller also laid out the evidence to indict Donald Trump;
1. Stormy Daniels, campaign finance violation (individual one) Garland chose not to prosecute, the statute of limitations has expired.
2. Evidence for Numerous obstruction of justice cases against Donald Trump, none of which have been prosecuted.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
2. No, the real question is "Are there two sets of laws in 'Merica?"
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:29 AM
Mar 2022

One set for the rich and one set for the not rich.

RussBLib

(9,010 posts)
13. you know the answer to that one
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:14 AM
Mar 2022

of course there is. If you have a lot of money, you get the best lawyers, and you get a light sentence, if any at all.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
4. Maybe we're not that different from Russia after all
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:33 AM
Mar 2022

Present company excepted, of course, but it appears that half the country would do anything, legal or illegal, to permanently wrest control from the people to give it to the billionaires and those who profit by that scenario.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
8. I don't find that it needs to be scratched with conspiracy theories.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 09:22 AM
Mar 2022
one cannot help but wonder who is being paid off

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
26. I agree, Merrick Garland is an honorable person,
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:23 AM
Mar 2022

he would never be "bought off."

The thing is that I have noticed a trend, and that trend keeps involving the Federalist Society and members of the Federalist Society.

We know it picks the SC justices who have been brazenly partisan in issues such as reversing the Wisconsin redistricting map that was approved by the Wisconsin SC which would have added another black voting district, totally against the Constitutional right of the states to run their own elections.

We also know that dark money funds the Federalist Society and we know that it has written the anti-voter/election laws throughout the states.

We also know that when Comey was fired that Mike Lee wanted Trump to appoint Garland as FBI Director. Garland attended at least 10 Federalist Society events although there is no proof that he is a member. Trump instead appointed Chris Wray as FBI Director, a member of the Federalist Society.

Ted Cruz and John Eastman were high ranking coup plotters, and both of them belong to the Federalist Society.

Is what I am saying a conspiracy theory, coincidence, something to be pursued?

spanone

(135,832 posts)
9. It's surely disheartening to hear the Jan6 committee calling out Garland to 'do your job'.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 09:32 AM
Mar 2022

‘Do your job’: Jan. 6 committee presses DOJ as push for Meadows contempt charge languishes
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/28/jan-6-committee-doj-meadows-contempt-00021172

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
10. I think the DOJ may have already decided that nothing will be investigated unless it is bi-partisan
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:09 AM
Mar 2022

A partisan investigation by only one political Party is doomed to failure.

Everything will be on the slow track until after the November elections. If Republicans win the House, the investigation will more or less be over. The DOJ will continue the facade of justice.

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
12. I think it will be the end of Party politics as we now know it...
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:12 AM
Mar 2022

...including the end of the present Democratic Party. Just my opinion.

erronis

(15,257 posts)
16. Oh, no. An investigation by a single party (the GQP) is doomed to succeed.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:31 AM
Mar 2022

If the (r)'s are able to complete their take-over of the federal gov't, their investigations will make old Star Chambers, Inquisitions, look like a picnic.

But you're right - it will be a failure of democracy.

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
30. If we lose the House they will impeach Biden more than Trump, just so they can campaign on it.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:39 AM
Mar 2022

Also, that's the level of maturity we're dealing with in the Republican Party—spoiled brat juveniles giving tit-for-tat.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
14. If we find out more as we get
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:24 AM
Mar 2022

closer to the Midterms the better. Americans have short attention spans. To make a major impression the news coming out needs to be close to the Midterms. Remember how Hillary was hurt prior to the election?

Traildogbob

(8,739 posts)
19. When you leave
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 10:52 AM
Mar 2022

An aggressive cancer untreated it spreads like wildfire. Too many times of “let’s move forward without justice” got us here, it’s even in our narrow now. Treat the aggressive spread NOW, or we are done. The fork is primed to stick in our ass.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
20. Widespread, many layers, victims and perpetrators, Puppeteers at the head
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:02 AM
Mar 2022

So yes lots of corruption that could topple a lot and quadruple the cynicism. It's like a market crash with jumpers. And all along the way someone knows bits and pieces of what's been going down.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

MadMike47

(106 posts)
25. I keep flashing back to the Mueller investigation
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:17 AM
Mar 2022

And remembering how my high hopes were completely dashed by a doddering old man who didn't deliver. I sure as hell hope we're not going down that same road again with Garland.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
27. I respectfully disagree,
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:32 AM
Mar 2022

Mueller was given a narrow range for him to investigate. he was told that DOJ was following the money and he should not.

In 3 months Bob Mueller got guilty pleas or indicted;

George Popadopoulas
Paul Manafort
Rick Gates
Michael Flynn
13 Russian Nationals
3 Russian companies
Richard Pinedo
Alex van der Zwaan
Konstantin Kilimnik
12 Russian GRU officers
Michael Cohen
Roger Stone
Sam Patten

Mueller also laid out the evidence to indict Trump in the Stormy Daniels case. (individual one)
Mueller also laid out the evidence to indict Trump for numerous cases of obstruction of justice.

The only reason that Mueller did not indict Trump is because he followed the DOJ memo that a sitting president can't be indicted. When Trump left office merrick garland chose not to indict trump.

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