I'm not sure we're going about fighting Covid correctly

[AntivaxHunters]

The upcoming surge will be bad....

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[Mad_Machine76]

1. In all fairness

We haven't been fighting against Covid correctly from the get-go and now everybody is basically treating it like it's over.

[BlackSkimmer]

23. Spot on. nt

[hlthe2b]

2. I had a "sarcastic" thought if planes won't disgnate a "safe N95 mask zone." Maybe those who are

sufficiently intelligent to self-mask in an N95 should just refrain from bathing for a couple of weeks before the flight.

I can't believe I thought that. No, I wouldn't be able to do so, but one can fantasize, right?

[CrispyQ]

3. Covid is over in my area.

At least if you go by masks, distancing, & general socializing. Friends & family are posting pics of themselves out & about without masks, enjoying life like pre-Covid. I wonder, am I being too cautious? Then I read about post-Covid issues people are experiencing, heart, brain, lung, kidney issues. One young man on Cheddar News has had Covid twice now. How will that impact his future health?

I'll be wearing a mask for a long time & I doubt I'll be socializing for most of this year as well.

[Chainfire]

4. Ah, come on, it won't be so bad...

The majority of Americans have been able to painlessly sweep the deaths of nearly a million of their fellow citizens under the rug of their consciousness. I think that we can do the second million standing on our heads.

I was in one of the larger home improvement chain stores on Saturday. Not one in 25 people were still wearing masks. (My wife and I stuck out like sore thumbs) You have to face it, Americans are done with Covid, no matter how many folks it kills.

[Johnny2X2X]

5. We've been hearing about a potential new surge for about a month now

And it hasn't happened yet, the decline of cases did stop though and we've been stuck at about 27-28K new cases a day for a couple weeks now.

If a surge does materialize, precautions can be reinstated. But giving the general public relief from those restrictions until there's a clear spike happening is the smart course of action, people need to know the precautions are not permanent controls on their lives.

And above all, an honest assessment of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated data is needed in every discussion. According to the CDC there's a huge gap. Covid is hospitalizing and killing unvaccinated people almost exclusively. If you're vaccinated, Covid is very likely not going to make you very sick.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/pdfs/mm7104e2-h.pdf

It really is a disease of the unvaccinated right now. Doesn't mean we shouldn't care, there are immune compromised people to think of and the very old. But outside of them, the precautions are really just protecting stupid people from their own stupid decision to not get a safe and incredibly effective life saving vaccine.

[rownesheck]

6. Agree.

I do wish we could hurry and get a vaccine approved for infants to 5 year old, though.

[ProfessorGAC]

7. Good Post!

I agree completely.
Besides, Worldometer show cases declining, worldwide, even with this new variant hitting several countries.
I'm suspending my belief of the reliability of these predictions for now.

[Johnny2X2X]

8. Omicron raged just a few months ago

It seemed like everyone got Omicron over the Holidays and January. It was mostly mild for most and because so many recently had it a new variant is going to have a tougher time spreading in the US.

But as always with this, get the latest booster, the data on the boosters is clear, get boosted and Covid is not a worry for you.

[ProfessorGAC]

9. Oh, We'll Get The Booster!

Now that it's authorized for anybody over 50, we're going to get it.
We both got the first booster within 10 days of authorization. I was 5 or 6 days, my wife 4 days later.
We're in!

[Johnny2X2X]

10. Me too

As soon as it's approved for under 50 I will get it.

When Omicron was raging, it as just stark the difference between boosted and not vaccinated.

Even the elderly are pretty safe from Covid if they're boosted. In fact, the Omicron surge was killing younger people that weren't vaccinated before older ones that were.

In a perfect world, if the US was 99% boosted, Covid just wouldn't spread here, the tiny % of people who can't get vaccinated because their immune systems are problematic wouldn't have to worry much because they wouldn't be coming into contact with infected people.

As it is, being boosted has finally turned Covid into the flu for you.

[ProfessorGAC]

11. We're In Our 60s

So, we're good to get it now.
But, if we were still under 50, we'd be keeping watch on that approval, just like you.

[Johnny2X2X]

12. The ironic thing is

It's ironic that the people who care most about protecting others are the group that is fully vaccinated and boosted and don't need many more protections than that.

The unvaccinated are the ones most at risk and they're the ones who refuse to protect themselves with masks or social distancing too.

If it wasn't for people with immune diseases, the very young, and the very very old, I'd say, let them die.

[AntivaxHunters]

16. It's only just beginning

And re-opening everything up was a very big mistake. Can we reverse course? Certainly but the cat is out of the bag at this point and we now have government officials basically saying "Covid is over", and that doesn't mean strictly federal officials either. There's absolutely no reasoning behind opening schools & loosening Covid protections. Zero. It will infect and kill more people. I don't know about you but when we have the ability to stop happening, I believe in partaking in that path forward.

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[Johnny2X2X]

17. It will kill anti vaxxers

Almost exclusively.

Even the very old are protected more than healthy young people if they are boosted and the healthy young people aren't. You're talking about an exceedingly low number of people who will die that are fully vaxxed and boosted, something close to 1 in 1000 Covid deaths are fully vaxxed and boosted right now.

[AntivaxHunters]

20. It's not only about the death toll

but also about the long term effects Covid has in people who become infected.
And many seem to forget that.
The symptoms of long haul Covid are horrific & include things such as losing the ability to taste, smell, and even think correctly due to "Covid brain fog" and on top of it, we now know that Covid does massive brain damage.

We recently crossed more than 1 million deaths. I don't consider a million dead "low" by any means and the truth is, Covid has killed more people in this country than any other viral outbreak in history. When you minimize the impact, you're enabling vaccine hesitancy which in itself is a huge problem why many aren't vaccinated.

As I stated, it's not only about the deaths Covid causes.....

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[Johnny2X2X]

21. All viral infections, even mild ones, have the potential for long term effects

The flu can have the same effects. People have gotten colds that caused long term asthma, congestive heart failure, and contributed to diabetes. We don't really know the long term effects because Covid has only been around for 2 years. But what we do know is that severe disease and death are virtually eliminated for people who are fully vaxxed and boosted. Society isn't going to implement restrictions due to long term effects that may or may not really be permanent.

If Covid hadn't killed a single person, but had these long term effects, no restrictions would have ever been put in place. Right now restrictions are only protecting unvaxxed idiots from severe disease and death except in a few rare cases of immune compromised and otherwise sick people.

We're not going to shut down schools because some mild cases are showing some effects a few months later. Would we institute lockdowns for any of these effects?

"But compared with the control group, those who had Covid experienced an additional 0.2 percent to 2 percent loss of brain tissue in regions which are mostly associated with the sense of smell — specifically, in the parahippocampal gyrus, the orbitofrontal cortex and the insula. The overall brain volume in people with Covid declined by an extra 0.3 percent over those without the disease." (NBC article you linked) Is that even a significant statistic? 0.3%? How does that compare with the common cold, there's been decades long studies on the cold's effects on the brain that would probably be more alarming than -0.3% volume if I listed them. Drinking alcohol regularly, even if moderate, causes a 1.6% reduction in brain volume, 5 times more than Covid apparently.

The measures we all took to prevent Covid were always about preventing severe Covid and death, right now severe Covid and death are only a significant risk if you aren't full vaxxed and boosted.

We have to get more people boosted in the US, to the people who refuse to get vaxxed at all, fuck em, I don't care if we try to protect them anymore.

[AntivaxHunters]

22. Covid is NOT the common cold

and that's a narrative pushed by the antivax movement that it is.
The common cold is NOT giving people a lifetime of symptoms & side effects. And saying that they do isn't rooted in factual discussion about Covid. No, sorry again you're wrong with "severe disease and death are virtually eliminated for people who are fully vaxxed and boosted." Absolutely false & incorrect. Again, that's another narrative pushed by the right wing antivax movement.

This is Sarah, she's a public school teacher in NYC. So ya, you can see what I'm saying with your right wing pro-Covid take.

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No restrictions would have been put in place had Covid not killed anyone? And your source for that is what exactly? Because I very much disagree with your assertion here too. I'm willing to bet that it would indeed be the opposite because of the long term lasting impacts of Covid. How many teachers are you willing to sacrifice, how many school staff, or kids, for Capitalism because "the economy is more important than the lives of people!" ??? And what about those of us who are disabled, severely immunocompromised, or perhaps both? Sorry dude but we matter & I hate to tell you but what you're saying here is literally eugenics. That's nothing I support & I never will.

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There are millions right now who are experiencing the long term effects & impacts of Covid-19.
The "2% survival rate" is perhaps one of the biggest antivax far right talking points out there & it has been one almost since day 1. It is one of the oldest, if not the oldest talking point of that crowd. Understand that 2% equates to millions. And on top of it, we live in a country where many people who work face to face are low wage earners; from the person in the local Starbucks or McDonald's drive-thru, to the person bagging your groceries, to teachers, to those who work in healthcare helping others by being nurses or CNA's. And let us not forget those who work in the public transportation sector like the bus driver who shuttles the general public to & from work each & every day along with the public school bus driver. And many of these people don't have healthcare because they make too little to afford it. How exactly do you propose these people get treatment when they're impacted by Covid? They risk losing everything they own & many don't even own much to begin with. What is your plan to ensure people who are disabled, immunocompromised, & both, are safe? Sacrificing their lives isn't an option IMHO and just so you know, The Great Barrington Declaration is nothing we at Antivax Hunters support. It's literally eugenics. And no Liberal should ever be pushing such a narrative considering the FLCCC & AFLD doctor's are far right entities.



Again, this is incredibly wrong and a very dangerous narrative to push.

The measures we all took to prevent Covid were always about preventing severe Covid and death, right now severe Covid and death are only a significant risk if you aren't full vaxxed and boosted.

No, not truthful, sorry. People who have been vaxed can be infected with Covid and that has been known & happening awhile. The chances of that happening of course are less but it still is happening and people are still dying. Their deaths shouldn't be marginalized or discounted. Those people matter. Greatly. And keep in mind there are millions who can't be vaccinated, either by being too young or they have pre-existing medical conditions which doesn't allow for them to be (less common).

You may not care if we try to protect others but I do. I also care about protecting those people who's lives are put in immediate risk because of unvaccinated people. "I don't care" lacks class consciousness because it doesn't take into account the most vulnerable in society who are at high risk of death of Covid & I have a BIG problem with that morally & ethically. Everyone maters no matter their politics. Humanity is a thing & Covid kills.

Vaccine passports need to be a thing & mandatory masking need to be re-instated immediately.

[Johnny2X2X]

24. There is no cold vaccine

Covid is not the common cold, but if you are fully vaccinated and boosted, it is not much more dangerous than the common cold.

The number of people who are fully vaxxed and boosted being hospitalized or dying of Covid are exceedingly low. You're talking per 100,000 people, 9.7 unvaccinated will die of Covid vs 0.1 who are fully vaxxed and boosted. 97 times less likely to die! So you're literally talking about if 100 people die of Covid , maybe only 1 of them was boosted.

More people will die of the flu this year than will die from Covid while fully boosted. That's simply a fact, if you get boosted, Covid is less likely to kill you than the flu. The problem is not enough people are boosted. If we were at 95% boosted, Covid in the US would just be over. Get boosted! Even just 2 shots is 21 times less effective than being boosted. Hospitalization numbers are similar, you're more likely to get the flu and end up hospitalized than if you're boosted to be hospitalized from Covid.

People are turning down a vaccine that literally makes Covid less a big deal than the flu for them, it's insane.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/02/02/covid-cases-mandates-vaccines-deaths/9308759002/

[LuckyCharms]

18. 112% increase in cases in my county, in 10 days.

It's coming.

And it's coming because most of the people around here do not mask.

Relaxing the restrictions was a mistake, just like it was a mistake to relax them the first time.

[Johnny2X2X]

19. Cases have reached their lowest since last July in the US

The restrictions would be in place only to help unvaccinated people, who ignore the restrictions anyways. Get vaxxed, get boosted, none of the rest matters if you are.

Relaxing them is the right thing to do, because cases are still falling and are low, the public needs to see that these restrictions aren't permanent, they're dependent on the conditions in the area.

Sure, there are vulnerable people to think about, just like during flu season, but right now, if you take away the unvaxxed, Covid in the US is not causing hospitalizations and deaths at anywhere near the rate of an average flu season. The CDC and the media needed to do a better job of publishing the vaccination status of the people hospitalized and dying from Covid right now. Some releases suggest that there are days right now where only a couple people who are fully vaxxed and boosted have died from Covid. It's a pandemic of the unvaccinated right now.

[uponit7771]

27. case of covid will NEVER EVER go away, I don't see how cases are the focus when cases of vaxed

... hospitalized should be.

[uponit7771]

26. +1,

[róisín_dubh]

13. As someone who travels internationally a lot...

and has continued to throughout the pandemic (for personal and professional reasons), I really wish countries would maintain mask and testing guidelines and/or add them for domestic travel.
I just came back from the UK, where there are zero requirements (except masking in the airports and on planes). I wore a mask on the Tube and trains, and obviously on my flights. I flew back via Boston last Friday (18th). I tested positive for Covid for the second time a week later (vaxxed and boosted, but Omicron is a sneaky bug).
Where did I get it? Who knows. Possibly in Boston-Logan, where no one seemed to wear masks and where I had a long layover (thus had to eat and drink). Did I get it in England and it just took awhile to show up? I don't know. I tested negative the day of travel and negative 5 days later. On day 7 is when I tested positive. Thankfully I had 12 hours of feeling kinda meh and I'm now back to 95% normal (but still testing positive).

If people don't want to mask and/or test, they can stay the fuck at home and let the rest of us get on with it.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. We're not, and we'll be paying for it for decades.

[Initech]

15. Can't we just lock down the anti-vaxxers?

[liberal_mama]

25. I'm still masking and will be doing so as long as Covid is still circulating

The cases in my county are going back up.