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The AtlanticSitting in her campaign office, she says this matter-of-factly, as if bucking the explicit orders of her partys leaders up to and including the president of the United States is not that big of a deal. But it is.
As a younger member of Congress, the first vote I ever cast was for Barack Obama, who was called a socialist and all of this stuff. All of this rhetoric that we see today has been the political reality my entire life. And so I never felt a nostalgia for something that never existed in my lifetime, she told me. I feel like our politics has fundamentally changed whether its for better or for worse is for peoples determination but I was never under the illusion that we can bring Manchin along.
Ocasio-Cortez was one one of only six Democrats (including Representative Jamaal Bowman of the Bronx) to vote against Bidens $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill last November. She reasoned correctly, it turned out that severing the infrastructure spending from Bidens much larger Build Back Better proposal would allow the bigger bill to be killed, in the closely divided Senate, by the defection of two conservative Democratic senators, Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)Im sure AOC could handle the situation with Russia and Ukraine much better than an old guy like Biden.
Cartoonist
(7,316 posts)She's not asking for Joe's job.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)Response to Cartoonist (Reply #2)
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Casady1
(2,133 posts)It has nothing to do with foreign policy.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thinks President Biden got played by Senator Joe Manchin
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)Biden knew there was a risk that he couldn't bring Manchin along. He is certainly not naïve about legislating. It is alright to disagree with the President, but one can do that and still be respectful.
Of course, Biden could have done it her way and ended up with absolutely nothing. He's been doing this an awfully long time and knows you don't always get what you want. Some progress is better than no progress.
NickB79
(19,236 posts)That's blatantly clear at this point.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)He did Moscow Mitch's bidding very well. After all, that's who got what he wanted. Not Biden, and not the American people.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)NickB79
(19,236 posts)But Biden kept trying to play nice with him, find compromise when it was obvious Manchin was a GOP operative. How many threads did we have here arguing this for months?
And now BBB is effectively dead, and Manchin's donors got their money's worth.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)anything at all if the BBB wasnt peeled off? We could have easily ended up with nothing at all.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)for more.
Voltaire2
(13,023 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)personally, I believe you negotiate what you can...more later. and there is nothing in that bill that doesn't matter.
Voltaire2
(13,023 posts)In pursuit of their good-guy bad-guy ever moving goalpost. Neither of them are acting in good faith.
Biden needs to push the limits of EOs and stop waiting for those clowns.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)and such things are fleeting...get what we can legislatively, there is nothing bad in the BBB bill whatever we pass from it will be good...EO's don't last and many won't withstand court challenges...it seems to me the house has no business calling for such things as it is their job to legislate. They should do their jobs and negotiate a BBB compromise before the midterms...instead of insisting the executive branch does what is their job.
President Biden is trying not to lose a democratic member of the senate to republicans. We lose manchin, we lose the senate. I am no fan of manchin, but gotta live with the situation you are presented with.
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)Got played or AKA lied to by manchin. He does this repeatedly which is why the Dems should have isolated or got rid of him long ago. Manchin is a real life Lucy with the football promising to hold it right this time.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)but should republicon plans for permanent control not work out, and we ever get a bigger Senate majority again, they should both be punished immediately after passing the voting laws so we can then get the Democrats we vote for in EVERY election.
Rebl2
(13,498 posts)him we lose majority in the senate. Unfortunately I believe we will lose the senate come the elections in the fall.
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)First time Manchin has done this. Theres been several cycles of elections where Dems landed in the minority. That is when they should have isolated Manchin and put him out to in the south 40 as they have done in the past with other members.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)Hes going to vote for his own interests and the people in his state will continue to vote for him.
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)Would not have been able to handle that and he would have left and gone to the party he does his bidding for.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)do you suppose we will find one?
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)that could be passed with some negotiation...
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)during Biden's tenure. This would not be possible without Manchin...get rid of Manchin-are you kidding? I thank God we have a majority which we would not have without Manchin...and AOC is warning the 'Democrats', well what is she? I assume she is a Democrat.
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)Dems should have got rid manchin long ago when they were in the minority and doing so would have had little impact the same way they dealt with Lieberman after he pulled his 🐂💩.
SCOTUS is currently 6-3, a conservative majority after the retirement it will be 6-2 still a conservative and if Jackson is confirmed it goes back to 6-3
and still a conservative majority, a wash vs. Voting Rights, Build Back Better and the rest of President Bidens agenda I dont see it as worth it.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Lieberman has been replaced with a Democrat and before that he caucused with us thus helping with a majority. Once Manchin is gone, there will never be another Democratic Senator in West Virginia in my lifetime-maybe never. Thus, he will be replaced by a Republican...without Manchin. The Republicans would hold the senate and you can bet your ass we would get no judges and no policy. They would be shutting down the government on a regular basis and would likely have defaulted on the debt.
I suggest before talking about how we don't need Manchin that you look at the 2022 Senate situation and beyond...there are very few opportunities. We have a very difficult time obtaining majorities in both the house and the Senate...and As we speak Sen. Warnock is losing to that idiot Hershel Walker. Where will our senate and house seats come from?
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)Will only come from the voters and if we dont get voting rights passed theres not going to be anymore Senate or House seats because the states with GOP lead legislatures will have locked in a permanent GOP majority with the current voting legislation being passed.
Walleye
(31,017 posts)Because if she knows how to do it, she should get right on it. She voted against the legislation out of protest. When has that ever worked?
Celerity
(43,337 posts)executive orders to enact environmental protections, lower health-care costs, cancel federal student-loan debts, and expand protections for immigrants. If the president does pursue and start to govern decisively using executive action and other tools at his disposal, I think were in the game, she said. But if we decide to just kind of sit back for the rest of the year and not change peoples lives yeah, I do think were in trouble. So I dont think that its set in stone. I think that we can determine our destiny here.
Ocasio-Cortez isnt always at odds with senior Democrats, pointing to a law she got passed with help from Senator Chuck Schumer. I worked with some of our organizers out in East Elmhurst, and we created the largest-ever federal funeral-assistance program for COVID-19. And so I was able to author an $8 billion FEMA program. Now, every single person in the United States who loses a loved one due to COVID-19, can get completely reimbursed for funeral expenses and laying their loved ones to rest. That started with community organizers in East Elmhurst. It was picked up by myself and my office, Senator Schumer supported us in that effort, and it to date is the largest funeral-assistance program in history.
Locally, Ocasio-Cortez is steadily remaking the mainstream of Democratic politics in her own image: younger, more diverse and digital, and more willing to break with tradition. We stay organizing all-year-round, she told followers in a video last December that ticked off a list of bills she had sponsored, constituents she had helped, and community campaigns she had launched or supported in 2021, a nonelection year. She and her staff handed out turkeys, ran a tutoring program for kids, stood with taxi drivers holding a hunger strike, trained tenant organizers, knocked on thousands of doors in support of the Green New Deal, and so on. The message was pushed out through Ocasio-Cortezs formidable social-media operation, which has nearly 13 million followers on Twitter and 8.5 million on Instagram.
treestar
(82,383 posts)But why isn't she doing her job, trying to get bills passed through Congress? Why is she criticizing the POTUS instead?
We don't want an imperial Presidency. We have a republican form of government. We want Congress to pass the laws first.
We have a republican form of government.
Are you saying we are a republic?
treestar
(82,383 posts)who just does things. EOs are very specific in their purpose and cannot change the law - they can only be about how to carry out the law. AOC is demanding EOs rather than doing her job, which is to get those things through Congress. Because it's hard these days, I guess she resorts to complaining about someone else and their job.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)"republican form of government"
Did a double take on that one lol
As far as AOC, she's taking a hard stand for her constituency and I admire her determination.
Voltaire2
(13,023 posts)Celerity
(43,337 posts)Response to brooklynite (Original post)
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Celerity
(43,337 posts)I find the exact opposite to be the case, and she (and the 97-strong Progressive Caucus) offered up ways to get it done, despite obstructionists like Manchin and Sinema playing wrecking ball with Biden's agenda.
I am fairly sure that the work-arounds will not, for the most part, be executed, so time will tell who was right and who was wrong.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)with great anticipation AOC's ideas for passing legislation in Congress.
Celerity
(43,337 posts)PatSeg
(47,419 posts)gives the appearance of a weak president who abuses his authority and so much of them can be undone by the next president and as you said, tossed out by the courts. Whenever possible, lasting change through legislation is the better way to go.
Justice matters.
(6,928 posts)Then, ask the voters to vote more non-obstructionists to Congress but what do they do? Either they vote for more repugs to "punish" the Dems, or just do not show up to vote at all...
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)PatSeg
(47,419 posts)I really thought we would have achieved bigger majorities by now, but we have far too many voters who vote against their own best interests, while at the same time, republicans managed to limit voter participation through voter suppression tactics.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)It is truly a vicious cycle. We definitely need larger majorities in the House and Senate and for a significant period of time.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)almost all of whom find her behaviors an impediment to their progressive efforts. And whom she often refuses to cooperate with. That's why she and a handful of dissidents, far too few to be a caucus, were labeled "the squad" to be able to discuss their quarrelsome behaviors.'
Btw, she's yet to sponsor and gather support to get legislation passed, should she belatedly start trying, and it's liable to be a cold day before she does given all the public attention-grabbing stomping she's done on the house progressives' work. Her staff was trying to get a post office renamed to go on her record, but turns out the old, to-be-trashed name honored pioneering LGBTQ warriors. Whoops.
Now, below's one of several progressive Democrats, elected at the same time, who've become real assets and stand out as new leaders in the house's Progressive Caucus, Lauren Underhill. The REAL thing.
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(Btw, no matter what the Republicans say, President Biden also does not rely on Ocasio-Cortez's guidance from the Oval Office.)
Celerity
(43,337 posts)It is pointless to carry on, as we are never going to agree.
All I can do is post my stances and you yours.
cheers
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Doremus
(7,261 posts)To read DU, you'd never know it. Wonder why that is.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and see how many credited to HER went to Biden to be signed into law. Then count the progressive bills created by the Progressive Caucus that she's opposed to get attention.
These people are elected to serve their constituents and work together to get legislation passed into law, not use their positions for unrelated self aggrandizement. Seriously: It's a job.
In way too many workplaces, there's a flashy type who, for reasons of his own, is always maneuvering for attention and credit -- while others do the jobs they signed on for and really care about. Just imagine how admired those are among their colleagues. Especially when their best, proven way of getting attention and stimulating donations from certain types is to claim their colleagues are corrupt and ineffective and need to be replaced.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Quelle surprise on the bold faced lies about her.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Justice Democrat types have a lot more in common than just their ruthless techniques for trying to overthrow the liberal control of the Democratic Party.
To have good government, we have to elect good people, and we know good people by their good character, competence, and records of achievement. That's really simple. They don't need to deceive American liberals that they are liberal Democrats like like them, just better than the ones they've been electing.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)mcar
(42,307 posts)Celerity
(43,337 posts)In this article she is offering ways to get thing done.
I don't see that.
Celerity
(43,337 posts)mcar
(42,307 posts)demmiblue
(36,845 posts)It took me 10 seconds to find her criticizing Lindsey Graham, Clarence Thomas and Ted Cruz.
Dogs with bones...
treestar
(82,383 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)She's been one of the most skillful critics of asshole republicons since her election.
mcar
(42,307 posts)also, I wonder if anyone has done a comparison of her R criticisms v her D criticisms.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Republicans on the issues. If you have a few, I would love to see them.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Celerity
(43,337 posts)https://headtopics.com/us/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-on-va-gop-wants-to-rip-the-battery-out-and-say-the-whole-car-doesn-t-work-5516108
AOC criticises Trump for axing Covid relief talks while in 'perilous medical state'
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-coronavirus-relief-talls-aoc-perilous-medical-state-b855904.html?amp
AOC speaks out against Republicans gun-wielding Christmas photos
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/08/aoc-republicans-gun-christmas-photos-twitter
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez rips GOP for taking world ending in 12 years prediction literally
https://apnews.com/article/1c663bcb294c1752573f45fc5bf5e0f9
AOC Tears Into Republicans Painting Green New Deal as Elitist
Ocasio-Cortez: 'No consequences' in GOP for violence, racism
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/news/536240-ocasio-cortez-no-consequences-in-gop-for-violence-racism%3fam
Plenty more where those came from.
She is more anti Rethug than many (by the very nature of her progressiveness, it is a given she is anti racist, anti mysognistic, anti rapacious capitalism, anti tax breaks for the rich, anti drill baby drill, etc) but some want to falsely paint her as a one way street, as if she public enemy number 1 (or near it) inside our Party.
SunImp
(2,224 posts)mcar
(42,307 posts)the primarying of incumbent Democrats and going on TV to complain about Democrats.
SunImp
(2,224 posts)twist any negative news. She does cheer on & supports President Biden & House Speaker from time to time, but I guess some want absolute obedience.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Why does she try to discourage Democrats, or imply they will be so discouraged they will let Republicans win, as she so often does?
Most of all, why does she not work in Congress towards progressive goals? That's what she was elected to do. She was not elected to pontificate on the party's chances, threaten the party with loss because of progressives willing to throw everything away to Republicans, and criticize the Democratic President for not using EOs to get her what she wants when legislation is always better than an EO.
Example: Obama had to do an EO when Congress would not pass DACA. A statute would have been far stronger and better. Trump would not have been able to spend 4 years in litigation over whether Obama's EO was proper under the law. He would have had to try to repeal a statute, which would have failed as it did for the ACA.
EOs are not a panacea.
betsuni
(25,480 posts)only 60 filibuster-proof votes (no Republican votes), similar to now with a 50-50 senate. "Some bourbon and some smoke" -- forgot the canapés and "establishment."
Celerity
(43,337 posts)betsuni
(25,480 posts)are in it, 50-50. Compromise necessary to get anything done, just as compromise was necessary for the ACA. No Republican votes.
Celerity
(43,337 posts)new spend original framework for the BIF and the BBB, plus blick all voter rights/protection bills so far.
Colour me thoroughly unimpressed with their whisky and smoke laden backroom.
betsuni
(25,480 posts)Why I'm annoyed at people whining about Biden supposedly breaking campaign promises when he had no way of knowing that two members of his own party in a 50-50 senate would block his agenda. Don't know what whisky and smoke laden backroom you're talking about.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)other third-party types-...we will be forced to move towards the middle and gather up disaffected Republican and independent voters in purple and red states. Winning is the only thing that concerns me at this point. And I tire of the threats.
budkin
(6,703 posts)We're going to get slaughtered in the midterms.
helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)too many decent aware voters in this country...
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)We no longer can depend on winning merely by sheer numbers.
elleng
(130,895 posts)and shoot eachother 'fair and square.'
PdamnedQ
(168 posts)DFW
(54,369 posts)jalan48
(13,863 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 29, 2022, 06:25 PM - Edit history (1)
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)this country except for a deep blue district? Can she run for the Senate in even New York? I don't the answer to that.
jalan48
(13,863 posts)DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)for when folks vote in the trumper repubs and then the destruction of our country will be complete.
WA-03 Democrat
(3,047 posts)Lucky they had a camera and space for our party's greatest social media star.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)but if/when Dems lose Congress I'm certain the reason will be AOC something-something. So it's probably a useless endeavor to even think about, really. Just move on, nothing to discuss. Loyal soldiers loving their incrementalism and all that.
Post midterms the blame will be placed on the nearly powerless left wing of the party. Editorials will abound claiming that the Democratic Party veered too far left.
myohmy2
(3,162 posts)...same here, and everywhere I look...
...of course we're in trouble...the pukes buy a couple senators and everything stops...
...try to tie things together and we get kneecapped...complain and we're communists...
...people are hurting more than ever and are tired of waiting...
...November is shaping up to be a blood-bath...
...shameful what things have become...
...
gulliver
(13,180 posts)That's the duty of all elected Dem leaders, imo. She needs to take an honest, mature assessment of Dem accomplishments and prospects vs. what would have happened (or will happen) if Republicans gain any power whatsoever. That should result in her singing the praises of Dems and fighting for every Dem vote.
She and Joe Manchin have a lot in common. They're both, let's say, not in the "center" of the people in our party. Has Manchin voiced negative sentiments about the Dems' results from a conservative Dem standpoint? Maybe he has. I don't know. If he has, he shouldn't. AOC shouldn't do it either.
What could be accomplished has been accomplished in spades. It's nuts to think we should try to make the world a better placebut only for two years. If it's not perfect after that, give up? Please. The thing to do at all times and always is to continue to push without letup, through thick and thin, through any obstacle. That's how you get what you want.
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Today, However, is not that day. Perhaps spend more time working to get D elected, and less time filling her resume with progressive talking points
. And I consider myself a progressive.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)Scar Tissue
(9 posts)She's woefully out of touch. Biden wasn't played by Manchin. What a horrible thing to say. Biden had to move because nothing was going to happen to the infrastructure bill unless he did. It was either get the win or nothing.
AOC needs to stay in her lane and focus on her very small congressional district that is packed full of liberals. Leave the actual leadership of a country with 350 million people, of all ideological stripes, to the adults like Biden.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)Which was what was going to happen. And she knows it