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brooklynite

(94,519 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 01:36 PM Mar 2022

AOC's Warning for Democrats: 'We're in Trouble'

The Atlantic

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thinks President Biden got played by Senator Joe Manchin — and that the president’s nostalgia for a bygone era of backroom dealmaking could prove disastrous for Democrats in the midterms.

Sitting in her campaign office, she says this matter-of-factly, as if bucking the explicit orders of her party’s leaders — up to and including the president of the United States — is not that big of a deal. But it is.

“As a younger member of Congress, the first vote I ever cast was for Barack Obama, who was called a socialist and all of this stuff. All of this rhetoric that we see today has been the political reality my entire life. And so I never felt a nostalgia for something that never existed in my lifetime,” she told me. “I feel like our politics has fundamentally changed — whether it’s for better or for worse is for people’s determination — but I was never under the illusion that we can bring Manchin along.”

Ocasio-Cortez was one one of only six Democrats (including Representative Jamaal Bowman of the Bronx) — to vote against Biden’s $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill last November. She reasoned — correctly, it turned out — that severing the infrastructure spending from Biden’s much larger Build Back Better proposal would allow the bigger bill to be killed, in the closely divided Senate, by the defection of two conservative Democratic senators, Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema.
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AOC's Warning for Democrats: 'We're in Trouble' (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2022 OP
Nothing like the hubris of youth. Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #1
I call foul Cartoonist Mar 2022 #2
She's just saying she's smarter than he is. nt Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #10
Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #18
I think you are misreading this Casady1 Mar 2022 #4
She thinks she's smarter than Biden. Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #8
Yeah, I found that rather insulting PatSeg Mar 2022 #16
Biden DID get played by Manchin NickB79 Mar 2022 #41
Explain how he got "played"? nt Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #48
Manchin's incessant demands, vague promises and goalpost-moving. FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #51
What could Biden have done to prevent that?nt Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #55
It was clear Manchin never intended to support BBB as a standalone NickB79 Mar 2022 #53
What makes you think he would have supported Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #58
He will vote for parts of it...they should work to get what can be agreed upon passed and come back Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #75
He will vote against anything that matters. Voltaire2 Mar 2022 #100
It is easier to give up and not even try then not get exactly what you want for some. I suppose. Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #103
It's easy to waste this year courting Mancinema. Voltaire2 Mar 2022 #104
EO's are not the answer...the courts will not got along with it as it as the right owns the courts Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #105
I think Rebl2 Mar 2022 #64
President Biden & the rest of Dems. Snackshack Mar 2022 #45
Do tell how the Dems should go about getting rid of Manchin? nt Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #49
Can't do it right now, FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #54
If we lose Rebl2 Mar 2022 #67
This is not the... Snackshack Mar 2022 #69
"Put him out in the south 40" changes nothing. Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #73
Manchins ego, Snackshack Mar 2022 #76
A definite possibility that would have cost us the majority. nt Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #79
It changes everything...it is one more Senate seat that we will have to win for a majority...where Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #95
We can't kick him out of the senate. That's not how it works. nt Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #99
If we didn't have Manchin, we wouldn't have any judges...and not for nothing there are parts of BBB Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #89
We are about to get a new SCOTUS judge...and have gotten many more lower court justices Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #77
A Justice? Snackshack Mar 2022 #80
I can't even believe this reply...like Lieberman you say...Connecticut is reliably Democratic state. Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #90
Senate & House seats... Snackshack Mar 2022 #98
Does she offer any suggestions on how to get this legislation passed? Walleye Mar 2022 #3
Ocasio-Cortez and the other 97 members of the House Progressive Caucus are calling on Biden to issue Celerity Mar 2022 #7
I don't think she knows what can be done by EO treestar Mar 2022 #38
Huh Doremus Mar 2022 #61
Yes, we don't have an Executive treestar Mar 2022 #63
I figured that's what you meant. Not thrilled with the phrasing tho. Doremus Mar 2022 #70
See the border wall. Voltaire2 Mar 2022 #101
non paywalled link Celerity Mar 2022 #5
Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #6
What you call hubris I call sharp, future-forward, outside-the-box thinking. Celerity Mar 2022 #11
Using executive orders many of which will be tossed out by courts...I await Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #19
You do not know until you try. Celerity Mar 2022 #22
The use of too many executive orders PatSeg Mar 2022 #24
That's right, but the obstructionists block everything. Justice matters. Mar 2022 #50
The only way out of this mess is the same as always...elect more Democrats. Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #74
I agree PatSeg Mar 2022 #85
Yes, I know PatSeg Mar 2022 #83
She does NOT represent the longstanding Democratic Progressive Caucus, Hortensis Mar 2022 #30
+1 betsuni Mar 2022 #34
Disagree profoundly, other than I do admire Lauren Underwood (her last name is not Underhill). Celerity Mar 2022 #35
Legislation AOC has sponsored or co-sponsored Arazi Mar 2022 #44
Hm, looks like there are 9 pages full Doremus Mar 2022 #62
If one followed congress he'd never know it. Check these out Hortensis Mar 2022 #72
Goalpost moved again Arazi Mar 2022 #78
I'm talking about character and goals. The Tea Party types and Hortensis Mar 2022 #84
I like this. All Dems should do this like AOC Arazi Mar 2022 #88
+1 betsuni Mar 2022 #15
Maybe start criticizing Republicans mcar Mar 2022 #9
she does a shedload of that already Celerity Mar 2022 #12
Really? mcar Mar 2022 #14
You must not be looking very hard. nt Celerity Mar 2022 #17
I'm pretty up on news and social media. nt mcar Mar 2022 #25
I don't get it. demmiblue Mar 2022 #26
It sure doesn't make DU that often treestar Mar 2022 #39
How could you have missed it? FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #57
I'd love to see a few links mcar Mar 2022 #68
Try Google krawhitham Mar 2022 #86
I did try google...I saw all sorts of posts from AOC but none that really went after Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #91
You have a link to that? Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #21
Google is your friend. Celerity Mar 2022 #27
She seems to do that much more than the Duers who constantly come out to attack Progressives SunImp Mar 2022 #31
She seems to spend a lot of time promoting mcar Mar 2022 #36
That's only a small fraction of what she does. The news media & her haters tend to amplify & SunImp Mar 2022 #37
Why does she campaign against Democrats at all? treestar Mar 2022 #40
The only way we have ACA was "backroom dealmaking" (compromise) because there were betsuni Mar 2022 #13
Those days are done and dusted. nt Celerity Mar 2022 #20
The Democratic Party is a big tent and Manchin and Sinema betsuni Mar 2022 #23
Their 'compromise' so far was to eviscerate over 90% of Biden's Celerity Mar 2022 #28
That's the reality, though. betsuni Mar 2022 #33
Bookmarking for November. I won't say I told ya so. Just gonna bump this Arazi Mar 2022 #29
Well perhaps if we can't count on support from ...our Green Party friends and Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #94
She's 100% right budkin Mar 2022 #32
True..nt helpisontheway Mar 2022 #42
NO we are not! llashram Mar 2022 #43
...whose votes will be neutered by laws passed in Red States. FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #59
Swell, guys, let's stand in a nice big circle, elleng Mar 2022 #46
Well said, Thank you. PdamnedQ Mar 2022 #47
The Republicans are only too eager to provide the guns an ammunition, too. n/t DFW Mar 2022 #66
Those living in the bubble think she's the one who's out of touch. jalan48 Mar 2022 #52
The country has moved right...where could AOC get elected in Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #96
I hope she runs for the Senate. nt jalan48 Mar 2022 #97
Can't wait DownriverDem Mar 2022 #56
New Yorker WA-03 Democrat Mar 2022 #60
I'd say let's revisit this thread after the midterms, Doremus Mar 2022 #65
Yup. Voltaire2 Mar 2022 #102
"... I was never under the illusion that we can bring Manchin along." myohmy2 Mar 2022 #71
If so, she'd better get moving doing everything she can to get out the vote for Dems gulliver Mar 2022 #81
Someday, she'll make an excellent leader relayerbob Mar 2022 #82
She's not wrong krawhitham Mar 2022 #87
Yes she is. Scar Tissue Mar 2022 #93
How much trouble would they be in if they didn't get either done Thrill Mar 2022 #92

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
1. Nothing like the hubris of youth.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 01:44 PM
Mar 2022

I’m sure AOC could handle the situation with Russia and Ukraine much better than an old guy like Biden.

Response to Cartoonist (Reply #2)

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
8. She thinks she's smarter than Biden.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:14 PM
Mar 2022

“Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez thinks President Biden got played by Senator Joe Manchin”

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
16. Yeah, I found that rather insulting
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:26 PM
Mar 2022

Biden knew there was a risk that he couldn't bring Manchin along. He is certainly not naïve about legislating. It is alright to disagree with the President, but one can do that and still be respectful.

Of course, Biden could have done it her way and ended up with absolutely nothing. He's been doing this an awfully long time and knows you don't always get what you want. Some progress is better than no progress.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
51. Manchin's incessant demands, vague promises and goalpost-moving.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:28 PM
Mar 2022

He did Moscow Mitch's bidding very well. After all, that's who got what he wanted. Not Biden, and not the American people.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
53. It was clear Manchin never intended to support BBB as a standalone
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:29 PM
Mar 2022

But Biden kept trying to play nice with him, find compromise when it was obvious Manchin was a GOP operative. How many threads did we have here arguing this for months?

And now BBB is effectively dead, and Manchin's donors got their money's worth.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
58. What makes you think he would have supported
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:34 PM
Mar 2022

anything at all if the BBB wasn’t peeled off? We could have easily ended up with nothing at all.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
75. He will vote for parts of it...they should work to get what can be agreed upon passed and come back
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:24 PM
Mar 2022

for more.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
103. It is easier to give up and not even try then not get exactly what you want for some. I suppose.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 02:42 PM
Mar 2022

personally, I believe you negotiate what you can...more later. and there is nothing in that bill that doesn't matter.

Voltaire2

(13,023 posts)
104. It's easy to waste this year courting Mancinema.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:42 PM
Mar 2022

In pursuit of their good-guy bad-guy ever moving goalpost. Neither of them are acting in good faith.

Biden needs to push the limits of EOs and stop waiting for those clowns.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
105. EO's are not the answer...the courts will not got along with it as it as the right owns the courts
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 05:03 PM
Mar 2022

and such things are fleeting...get what we can legislatively, there is nothing bad in the BBB bill whatever we pass from it will be good...EO's don't last and many won't withstand court challenges...it seems to me the house has no business calling for such things as it is their job to legislate. They should do their jobs and negotiate a BBB compromise before the midterms...instead of insisting the executive branch does what is their job.

Rebl2

(13,498 posts)
64. I think
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:47 PM
Mar 2022

President Biden is trying not to lose a democratic member of the senate to republicans. We lose manchin, we lose the senate. I am no fan of manchin, but gotta live with the situation you are presented with.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
45. President Biden & the rest of Dems.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:16 PM
Mar 2022

Got played or AKA lied to by manchin. He does this repeatedly which is why the Dems should have isolated or got rid of him long ago. Manchin is a real life Lucy with the football promising to hold it right…this time.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
54. Can't do it right now,
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:29 PM
Mar 2022

but should republicon plans for permanent control not work out, and we ever get a bigger Senate majority again, they should both be punished immediately after passing the voting laws so we can then get the Democrats we vote for in EVERY election.

Rebl2

(13,498 posts)
67. If we lose
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:57 PM
Mar 2022

him we lose majority in the senate. Unfortunately I believe we will lose the senate come the elections in the fall.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
69. This is not the...
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:01 PM
Mar 2022

First time Manchin has done this. There’s been several cycles of elections where Dems landed in the minority. That is when they should have isolated Manchin and put him out to in the south 40 as they have done in the past with other members.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
73. "Put him out in the south 40" changes nothing.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:15 PM
Mar 2022

He’s going to vote for his own interests and the people in his state will continue to vote for him.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
76. Manchins ego,
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:24 PM
Mar 2022

Would not have been able to handle that and he would have left and gone to the party he does his bidding for.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
95. It changes everything...it is one more Senate seat that we will have to win for a majority...where
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:25 PM
Mar 2022

do you suppose we will find one?

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
89. If we didn't have Manchin, we wouldn't have any judges...and not for nothing there are parts of BBB
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 07:48 PM
Mar 2022

that could be passed with some negotiation...

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
77. We are about to get a new SCOTUS judge...and have gotten many more lower court justices
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:26 PM
Mar 2022

during Biden's tenure. This would not be possible without Manchin...get rid of Manchin-are you kidding? I thank God we have a majority which we would not have without Manchin...and AOC is warning the 'Democrats', well what is she? I assume she is a Democrat.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
80. A Justice?
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:48 PM
Mar 2022

Dems should have got rid manchin long ago when they were in the minority and doing so would have had little impact the same way they dealt with Lieberman after he pulled his 🐂💩.

SCOTUS is currently 6-3, a conservative majority after the retirement it will be 6-2 still a conservative and if Jackson is confirmed it goes back to 6-3…and still a conservative majority, a wash vs. Voting Rights, Build Back Better and the rest of President Biden’s agenda I don’t see it as worth it.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
90. I can't even believe this reply...like Lieberman you say...Connecticut is reliably Democratic state.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:17 PM
Mar 2022

Lieberman has been replaced with a Democrat and before that he caucused with us thus helping with a majority. Once Manchin is gone, there will never be another Democratic Senator in West Virginia in my lifetime-maybe never. Thus, he will be replaced by a Republican...without Manchin. The Republicans would hold the senate and you can bet your ass we would get no judges and no policy. They would be shutting down the government on a regular basis and would likely have defaulted on the debt.

I suggest before talking about how we don't need Manchin that you look at the 2022 Senate situation and beyond...there are very few opportunities. We have a very difficult time obtaining majorities in both the house and the Senate...and As we speak Sen. Warnock is losing to that idiot Hershel Walker. Where will our senate and house seats come from?

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
98. Senate & House seats...
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:52 PM
Mar 2022

Will only come from the voters and if we don’t get voting rights passed there’s not going to be anymore Senate or House seats because the states with GOP lead legislatures will have locked in a permanent GOP majority with the current voting legislation being passed.

Walleye

(31,017 posts)
3. Does she offer any suggestions on how to get this legislation passed?
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 01:55 PM
Mar 2022

Because if she knows how to do it, she should get right on it. She voted against the legislation out of protest. When has that ever worked?

Celerity

(43,337 posts)
7. Ocasio-Cortez and the other 97 members of the House Progressive Caucus are calling on Biden to issue
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:09 PM
Mar 2022

executive orders to enact environmental protections, lower health-care costs, cancel federal student-loan debts, and expand protections for immigrants. “If the president does pursue and start to govern decisively using executive action and other tools at his disposal, I think we’re in the game,” she said. “But if we decide to just kind of sit back for the rest of the year and not change people’s lives — yeah, I do think we’re in trouble. So I don’t think that it’s set in stone. I think that we can determine our destiny here.”

Ocasio-Cortez isn’t always at odds with senior Democrats, pointing to a law she got passed with help from Senator Chuck Schumer. “I worked with some of our organizers out in East Elmhurst, and we created the largest-ever federal funeral-assistance program for COVID-19. And so I was able to author an $8 billion FEMA program. Now, every single person in the United States who loses a loved one due to COVID-19, can get completely reimbursed for funeral expenses and laying their loved ones to rest. That started with community organizers in East Elmhurst. It was picked up by myself and my office, Senator Schumer supported us in that effort, and it to date is the largest funeral-assistance program in history.”

Locally, Ocasio-Cortez is steadily remaking the mainstream of Democratic politics in her own image: younger, more diverse and digital, and more willing to break with tradition. “We stay organizing all-year-round,” she told followers in a video last December that ticked off a list of bills she had sponsored, constituents she had helped, and community campaigns she had launched or supported in 2021, a nonelection year. She and her staff handed out turkeys, ran a tutoring program for kids, stood with taxi drivers holding a hunger strike, trained tenant organizers, knocked on thousands of doors in support of the Green New Deal, and so on. The message was pushed out through Ocasio-Cortez’s formidable social-media operation, which has nearly 13 million followers on Twitter and 8.5 million on Instagram.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
38. I don't think she knows what can be done by EO
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 03:37 PM
Mar 2022

But why isn't she doing her job, trying to get bills passed through Congress? Why is she criticizing the POTUS instead?

We don't want an imperial Presidency. We have a republican form of government. We want Congress to pass the laws first.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
63. Yes, we don't have an Executive
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:46 PM
Mar 2022

who just does things. EOs are very specific in their purpose and cannot change the law - they can only be about how to carry out the law. AOC is demanding EOs rather than doing her job, which is to get those things through Congress. Because it's hard these days, I guess she resorts to complaining about someone else and their job.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
70. I figured that's what you meant. Not thrilled with the phrasing tho.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:03 PM
Mar 2022

"republican form of government"

Did a double take on that one lol

As far as AOC, she's taking a hard stand for her constituency and I admire her determination.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Celerity

(43,337 posts)
11. What you call hubris I call sharp, future-forward, outside-the-box thinking.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:17 PM
Mar 2022
She pretends not to know that the liberal Democratic agenda is extremely popular across the ideological spectrum.

I find the exact opposite to be the case, and she (and the 97-strong Progressive Caucus) offered up ways to get it done, despite obstructionists like Manchin and Sinema playing wrecking ball with Biden's agenda.

I am fairly sure that the work-arounds will not, for the most part, be executed, so time will tell who was right and who was wrong.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
19. Using executive orders many of which will be tossed out by courts...I await
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:27 PM
Mar 2022

with great anticipation AOC's ideas for passing legislation in Congress.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
24. The use of too many executive orders
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:35 PM
Mar 2022

gives the appearance of a weak president who abuses his authority and so much of them can be undone by the next president and as you said, tossed out by the courts. Whenever possible, lasting change through legislation is the better way to go.

Justice matters.

(6,928 posts)
50. That's right, but the obstructionists block everything.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:27 PM
Mar 2022

Then, ask the voters to vote more non-obstructionists to Congress but what do they do? Either they vote for more repugs to "punish" the Dems, or just do not show up to vote at all...

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
85. I agree
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 06:47 PM
Mar 2022

I really thought we would have achieved bigger majorities by now, but we have far too many voters who vote against their own best interests, while at the same time, republicans managed to limit voter participation through voter suppression tactics.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
83. Yes, I know
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 06:44 PM
Mar 2022

It is truly a vicious cycle. We definitely need larger majorities in the House and Senate and for a significant period of time.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. She does NOT represent the longstanding Democratic Progressive Caucus,
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 03:04 PM
Mar 2022

almost all of whom find her behaviors an impediment to their progressive efforts. And whom she often refuses to cooperate with. That's why she and a handful of dissidents, far too few to be a caucus, were labeled "the squad" to be able to discuss their quarrelsome behaviors.'

Btw, she's yet to sponsor and gather support to get legislation passed, should she belatedly start trying, and it's liable to be a cold day before she does given all the public attention-grabbing stomping she's done on the house progressives' work. Her staff was trying to get a post office renamed to go on her record, but turns out the old, to-be-trashed name honored pioneering LGBTQ warriors. Whoops.

Now, below's one of several progressive Democrats, elected at the same time, who've become real assets and stand out as new leaders in the house's Progressive Caucus, Lauren Underhill. The REAL thing.

?itok=9Dj7mtee

(Btw, no matter what the Republicans say, President Biden also does not rely on Ocasio-Cortez's guidance from the Oval Office.)

Celerity

(43,337 posts)
35. Disagree profoundly, other than I do admire Lauren Underwood (her last name is not Underhill).
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 03:12 PM
Mar 2022

It is pointless to carry on, as we are never going to agree.

All I can do is post my stances and you yours.

cheers

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
72. If one followed congress he'd never know it. Check these out
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:07 PM
Mar 2022

and see how many credited to HER went to Biden to be signed into law. Then count the progressive bills created by the Progressive Caucus that she's opposed to get attention.

These people are elected to serve their constituents and work together to get legislation passed into law, not use their positions for unrelated self aggrandizement. Seriously: It's a job.

In way too many workplaces, there's a flashy type who, for reasons of his own, is always maneuvering for attention and credit -- while others do the jobs they signed on for and really care about. Just imagine how admired those are among their colleagues. Especially when their best, proven way of getting attention and stimulating donations from certain types is to claim their colleagues are corrupt and ineffective and need to be replaced.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
78. Goalpost moved again
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:46 PM
Mar 2022

Quelle surprise on the bold faced lies about her.

Btw, she's yet to sponsor and gather support to get legislation passed, should she belatedly start trying, and it's liable to be a cold day before she does given all the public attention-grabbing stomping she's done on the house progressives' work


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
84. I'm talking about character and goals. The Tea Party types and
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 06:46 PM
Mar 2022

Justice Democrat types have a lot more in common than just their ruthless techniques for trying to overthrow the liberal control of the Democratic Party.

To have good government, we have to elect good people, and we know good people by their good character, competence, and records of achievement. That's really simple. They don't need to deceive American liberals that they are liberal Democrats like like them, just better than the ones they've been electing.

demmiblue

(36,845 posts)
26. I don't get it.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:49 PM
Mar 2022

It took me 10 seconds to find her criticizing Lindsey Graham, Clarence Thomas and Ted Cruz.

Dogs with bones...

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
57. How could you have missed it?
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:33 PM
Mar 2022

She's been one of the most skillful critics of asshole republicons since her election.

mcar

(42,307 posts)
68. I'd love to see a few links
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:00 PM
Mar 2022

also, I wonder if anyone has done a comparison of her R criticisms v her D criticisms.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
91. I did try google...I saw all sorts of posts from AOC but none that really went after
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:19 PM
Mar 2022

Republicans on the issues. If you have a few, I would love to see them.

Celerity

(43,337 posts)
27. Google is your friend.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:55 PM
Mar 2022
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on VA: GOP Wants to Rip the Battery Out, Say the Whole Car Doesn't Work, and Sell It for Parts

https://headtopics.com/us/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-on-va-gop-wants-to-rip-the-battery-out-and-say-the-whole-car-doesn-t-work-5516108



AOC criticises Trump for axing Covid relief talks while in 'perilous medical state'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-coronavirus-relief-talls-aoc-perilous-medical-state-b855904.html?amp



AOC speaks out against Republicans’ gun-wielding Christmas photos

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/08/aoc-republicans-gun-christmas-photos-twitter




Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez rips GOP for taking ‘world ending in 12 years’ prediction literally

https://apnews.com/article/1c663bcb294c1752573f45fc5bf5e0f9


AOC Tears Into Republicans Painting Green New Deal as “Elitist”




Ocasio-Cortez: 'No consequences' in GOP for violence, racism

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/news/536240-ocasio-cortez-no-consequences-in-gop-for-violence-racism%3fam



Plenty more where those came from.

She is more anti Rethug than many (by the very nature of her progressiveness, it is a given she is anti racist, anti mysognistic, anti rapacious capitalism, anti tax breaks for the rich, anti drill baby drill, etc) but some want to falsely paint her as a one way street, as if she public enemy number 1 (or near it) inside our Party.


mcar

(42,307 posts)
36. She seems to spend a lot of time promoting
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 03:16 PM
Mar 2022

the primarying of incumbent Democrats and going on TV to complain about Democrats.

SunImp

(2,224 posts)
37. That's only a small fraction of what she does. The news media & her haters tend to amplify &
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 03:32 PM
Mar 2022

twist any negative news. She does cheer on & supports President Biden & House Speaker from time to time, but I guess some want absolute obedience.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
40. Why does she campaign against Democrats at all?
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 03:42 PM
Mar 2022

Why does she try to discourage Democrats, or imply they will be so discouraged they will let Republicans win, as she so often does?

Most of all, why does she not work in Congress towards progressive goals? That's what she was elected to do. She was not elected to pontificate on the party's chances, threaten the party with loss because of progressives willing to throw everything away to Republicans, and criticize the Democratic President for not using EOs to get her what she wants when legislation is always better than an EO.

Example: Obama had to do an EO when Congress would not pass DACA. A statute would have been far stronger and better. Trump would not have been able to spend 4 years in litigation over whether Obama's EO was proper under the law. He would have had to try to repeal a statute, which would have failed as it did for the ACA.

EOs are not a panacea.

betsuni

(25,480 posts)
13. The only way we have ACA was "backroom dealmaking" (compromise) because there were
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:20 PM
Mar 2022

only 60 filibuster-proof votes (no Republican votes), similar to now with a 50-50 senate. "Some bourbon and some smoke" -- forgot the canapés and "establishment."

betsuni

(25,480 posts)
23. The Democratic Party is a big tent and Manchin and Sinema
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:32 PM
Mar 2022

are in it, 50-50. Compromise necessary to get anything done, just as compromise was necessary for the ACA. No Republican votes.

Celerity

(43,337 posts)
28. Their 'compromise' so far was to eviscerate over 90% of Biden's
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:59 PM
Mar 2022

new spend original framework for the BIF and the BBB, plus blick all voter rights/protection bills so far.

Colour me thoroughly unimpressed with their whisky and smoke laden backroom.

betsuni

(25,480 posts)
33. That's the reality, though.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 03:06 PM
Mar 2022

Why I'm annoyed at people whining about Biden supposedly breaking campaign promises when he had no way of knowing that two members of his own party in a 50-50 senate would block his agenda. Don't know what whisky and smoke laden backroom you're talking about.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
94. Well perhaps if we can't count on support from ...our Green Party friends and
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:23 PM
Mar 2022

other third-party types-...we will be forced to move towards the middle and gather up disaffected Republican and independent voters in purple and red states. Winning is the only thing that concerns me at this point. And I tire of the threats.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
59. ...whose votes will be neutered by laws passed in Red States.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:35 PM
Mar 2022

We no longer can depend on winning merely by sheer numbers.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
96. The country has moved right...where could AOC get elected in
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:28 PM
Mar 2022

this country except for a deep blue district? Can she run for the Senate in even New York? I don't the answer to that.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
56. Can't wait
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:32 PM
Mar 2022

for when folks vote in the trumper repubs and then the destruction of our country will be complete.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
65. I'd say let's revisit this thread after the midterms,
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:50 PM
Mar 2022

but if/when Dems lose Congress I'm certain the reason will be AOC something-something. So it's probably a useless endeavor to even think about, really. Just move on, nothing to discuss. Loyal soldiers loving their incrementalism and all that.

Voltaire2

(13,023 posts)
102. Yup.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 10:15 AM
Mar 2022

Post midterms the blame will be placed on the nearly powerless left wing of the party. Editorials will abound claiming that the Democratic Party veered too far left.

myohmy2

(3,162 posts)
71. "... I was never under the illusion that we can bring Manchin along."
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:05 PM
Mar 2022

...same here, and everywhere I look...

...of course we're in trouble...the pukes buy a couple senators and everything stops...

...try to tie things together and we get kneecapped...complain and we're communists...

...people are hurting more than ever and are tired of waiting...

...November is shaping up to be a blood-bath...

...shameful what things have become...

...

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
81. If so, she'd better get moving doing everything she can to get out the vote for Dems
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:51 PM
Mar 2022

That's the duty of all elected Dem leaders, imo. She needs to take an honest, mature assessment of Dem accomplishments and prospects vs. what would have happened (or will happen) if Republicans gain any power whatsoever. That should result in her singing the praises of Dems and fighting for every Dem vote.

She and Joe Manchin have a lot in common. They're both, let's say, not in the "center" of the people in our party. Has Manchin voiced negative sentiments about the Dems' results from a conservative Dem standpoint? Maybe he has. I don't know. If he has, he shouldn't. AOC shouldn't do it either.

What could be accomplished has been accomplished in spades. It's nuts to think we should try to make the world a better place—but only for two years. If it's not perfect after that, give up? Please. The thing to do at all times and always is to continue to push without letup, through thick and thin, through any obstacle. That's how you get what you want.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
82. Someday, she'll make an excellent leader
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 06:18 PM
Mar 2022

Today, However, is not that day. Perhaps spend more time working to get D elected, and less time filling her resume with progressive talking points …. And I consider myself a progressive.

 

Scar Tissue

(9 posts)
93. Yes she is.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:22 PM
Mar 2022

She's woefully out of touch. Biden wasn't played by Manchin. What a horrible thing to say. Biden had to move because nothing was going to happen to the infrastructure bill unless he did. It was either get the win or nothing.

AOC needs to stay in her lane and focus on her very small congressional district that is packed full of liberals. Leave the actual leadership of a country with 350 million people, of all ideological stripes, to the adults like Biden.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
92. How much trouble would they be in if they didn't get either done
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:22 PM
Mar 2022

Which was what was going to happen. And she knows it

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