Has the DOJ been put into an impossible situation?

[kentuck]

How do you prosecute a former President if he has enough violent followers to wreak havoc on our country and our institutions? And he would not hesitate to use them in just such a manner.

How do you prosecute leaders of an opposing political Party, even though there is evidence that they colluded with an attempted coup against our nation?

How do you prosecute politicians who hide behind their political Party label and attempt to manipulate the Supreme Court of this land, by utilizing the wife of a Supreme Court Justice?

Even though you have all the evidence in the world, how do you charge and prosecute those that betrayed our Constitution and threaten the democracy we have had for 245 years, when they have the power of half of the country's population behind them?

How can the nation survive such a dire threat?

[brush]

1. Prosecute without delay. Have Nat'l Guard and LEOs on alert.

Many of those magats are more talk than action, but be prepared.

[kentuck]

3. Doc Watson had a song...

"If you want a good cool drink of water, you gotta dig a little deeper in the well."

[old as dirt]

2. Impunity is worse. You charge him and prosecute him. (nt)

[gibraltar72]

4. Actually I think it is a hollow threat.

They are not going to do more than talk basically, If Justice is meted out to all who plotted against America, cults like his will be loath to make trouble.

[dem4decades]

5. Why not use the Watergate template? Send everyone to jail, send Trump to the trash bin.

[Peregrine Took]

6. Gotta do your job as hard as it may be...otherwise quit and let someone

who is steelier do it.

[48656c6c6f20]

7. Start by public shock and awe.

Frog marched from Magat a Lago. To hell with his minions. They're going to start shit regardless.

[dem4decades]

8. DOJ is doing the country a grave disservice. Shame on them.

[doc03]

9. That sounds like "Too Big to Fail" when the banks crashed the economy back in 2008. nt

[NewHendoLib]

10. If they don't prosecute, our country is lost anyway.

Our democracy will have to be considered dead

[bucolic_frolic]

11. Thoughts

I think they were waiting for the division to lose steam, and it has, slightly, and I don't think it will get any better than this moment.

You go ahead full throttle because that is what a sovereign State must do to perpetuate itself. It is straight from Machiavelli.

You go forward because it is the right thing to do, to adapt Winston Churchill, whatever the cost may be.

You appeal to higher principles, you whack miscreants harder and harder until you break the opposition.

You also break the opposition, the higher ups, the cabal, one by one, then 10 by 10, until you get to the top.

The world is waiting to see what kind of sovereignty the U.S.A. has. All States face adverse times, though this is unique to our society of freedom, lax enforcement, pop/mass media culture, civil rights, extreme free press. We have allowed this to breed because along the way few with any power or foresight were allowed to do anything about it. I know, in a free society no one had the freedom to lance the boils of political rot. Money became the sole measure of political success, and then power replaced that. This is a 10 alarm cancer. Power is so fractured because that is how we protect ourselves from tyranny, but there is no tyrant to rescue the state. We are left with points of law and how to apply and prosecute them.

[kentuck]

14. Well said.

We either defend our democracy or we do not. Those that choose not to defend our democracy, and the rule of law, will make themselves known. It will then be up to the people to decide what kind of government they choose to have.

Once the Committee makes public all the facts, there can be no excuse.

[Patterson]

12. You have to break some eggs to make an omelet.

[Marius25]

13. No. You hold people accountable regardless of the political fall out.

DoJ just doesn't want to hold Trump accountable. They don't care if he gets away with crimes.

[kentuck]

15. Why?

Is the country too corrupt to save?

[brooklynite]

16. "if he has enough violent followers to wreak havoc on our country"

He doesn't. The number of people prepared to engage in violence in minimal in comparison to the population, and the police are well able to overwhelm them. The notion that DOJ is "afraid" of pursuing investigations is silly.

[kentuck]

21. Furthermore...

I would say that many Democrats are afraid of revenge from Republicans. They have seen it too many times. It is not the small number of militias and white supremacy groups that concern the Democrats as much as it is the other political Party.

[3Hotdogs]

17. there would be, maybe 50,000 assholes in total that would wreak violence.

Officials know maybe 20% of those. The rest are new to insurrection and would wait for an announced plan. If the plan is taken seriously, unlike Jan. 6, it will be handled.

Was it maybe 5,000 assholes that showed up for Jan 6?

[kentuck]

23. The problem is not the 5000 a$$holes...

...so much as it is the 74 million a$$holes that voted for the Republican Party the last time around and are at the beckon call of their cult leader.

[former9thward]

31. Around 80,000 for Jan. 6 according to police.

Rally organizers told the National Park Service that they anticipated 30,000 people would attend. Law enforcement said the crowd size ahead of the protest was possibly as much as 80,000, according to then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-01-05/by-the-numbers-jan-6-anniversary

[TheRealNorth]

18. If the DOJ is afraid to to do what's right because of the threat of right wing violence

Then justice is dead.

[bottrott]

19. What you describe is mob rule

which is exactly what the DOJ is supposed be there to prevent. If employees of the DOJ are incapable or afraid of doing that job, they need to quit or be fired. Their sole duty is to the rule of law applied evenly and without prejudice. Anything else is a dereliction of duty in my book.

Let's be clear about numbers, it is NOT 50% of the country. It's not even 30%, it's a little over 35 million registered voters depending on where you get your numbers, and it's falling. There are 13 million or so MORE Democratic registered voters than there are Republican. This is an intentional framing that grants them more power than their shrieking minions actually command and it's high time we re-frame that. Even if you were to extrapolate those ratios out to the entire population, they would still be vastly outnumbered by Democratic voters and Independents are getting sick of their crap in droves.

If the penalties for the insurrection were severe, which so far they have not been, you might have had a deterrent as this progresses. The Garland DOJ needs to answer for that and he should be called the Hill to explain why his attorneys have thus far asked for penalties considerably below guidelines in far too many of these cases, only to have the perpetrators thumb their noses at "justice" by committing additional crimes. There wouldn't be a next time if these cowards were forced to live inside for a considerable amount of time then went home to tell of the horrors. We might actually get prison reform as an added bonus.

Always remember, it is WE who are the silent majority and we need to change that by demanding to be heard in media. We can all start by not succumbing to their intentional framing, buying into their constant false equivalence and fear mongering. Succumbing to their claptrap only serves to demoralize our own as we fight to retain, and hopefully expand, our representation in Congress.

[Wuddles440]

29. Well said!!!

[Mr. Ected]

20. If actionable, apolitical offenses can be proven, indictments must follow

Then trial, then sentencing, then incarceration. There are no exclusions in the law for inconvenient, disruptive or even existentially challenging outcomes. There are no exceptions for what will later be deemed political persecution by the defendents' adherents.
The Constitution doesn't pull any punches. Why should law enforcement?

If Civil War results, it will be the forces of justice and democracy versus the forces of mindgames and fascism. We may lose our country because of it, but if the battle isn't fought, it was never ours to begin with.

[milestogo]

22. You prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law.

If his violent followers break the law, you prosecute them too.

Its not impossible at all.

[spanone]

24. NO. Their duty is paramount.

[kentuck]

25. Once again, messaging is important.

It cannot be a battle between Democrats and Republicans.

It must be a battle for the rule of law and the necessity of saving our democracy. It is about our Constitution. It is not about either political Party.

If Republicans wish to oppose those ideas, then let them.

[Lettuce Be]

26. How do you not?

[Zeitghost]

27. It's not the threat of violence that's holding things up

It's not wanting to be the AG/DA that loses the case and reinvigorates Trump and his followers. They are losing support by the day. Bringing a case and then having it end in deadlock (or worse) because it would be impossible to seat an impartial Jury would be disastrous.

Federal prosecutors only bring cases they know they can win and that standard is going to be even tougher with such a politically charged case. The can will be continue to be kicked down the road.

[Orrex]

33. Then they are working hard to become the DoJ that fucked up the country forever

Does anyone seriously think that this investigation will continue in any strength if Republikkkans retake Congress in November?

If the DoJ doesn't intervene before that time, then they are explicitly endorsing a lawless nation ruled by fundamentally corrupt oligarchs who desire nothing but power.

[Zeitghost]

35. They know it and they are counting on it

They will kick the can down the road until the American political pendulum swings back to the right and then blame Republicans for killing it.

Nobody wants to bring the big cases, it's a no win situation and federal prosecutors will only fight when they know they will win.

Garland doesn't want Trump to walk on all charges because a MAGAT or 6 end up on the Jury just in time for him to fire up his 2024 run with "See I told you I was innocent" as a campaign slogan. A failed prosecution would be a disaster for the left while not bringing charges will only piss-off people who would never vote for Trump or any other Republican anyway.

[NQAS]

28. All good points

But it’s still got to be done.

[Baked Potato]

30. If Ukraine can fight, we can too. We will win. Nt

[Orrex]

32. It's hard to believe that they have any plans to prosecute at all

No one seriously doubts Trump's role in the 1/6 insurrection, nor his myriad other crimes, yet somehow the DoJ is staunchly keeping its powder dry.

Prosecute him now. Even if they don't have all the charges assembled, those can certainly follow. Get him in prison and out of communication with his kkkult of ignorant fuckheads.

[Baitball Blogger]

34. DOJ needs a leader as focused and as strong as Zelensky.

[electric_blue68]

36. I don't think it's nearly 50/50. More like ?35%, with maybe 10+% within that being...

violent.

I think that bc I surmise there would have been a lot more violence already.

I certainly could be wrong.

And these %'s are still disturbing, worrisome.

[kacekwl]

37. Nonsense. I'm glad

the founders and those after the Civil war weren't swayed by traitors and lunatics to do the job.

[panader0]

38. No partial justice. If the DOJ is afraid to prosecute, there is no justice. Damn the torpedos!

[kentuck]

39. In the final analysis...

Will the DOJ have any other option but to investigate and to prosecute?

Would not anything else be a "cover-up"?

But, as I have said before, it should not be permitted to portray it as Democrats vs Republicans. It must be about saving our democracy, the rule of law, and preserving our Constitution. That is what it is all about.