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White outrage about Will Smiths slap is rooted in anti-Blackness. Its inequality in plain sight.
Tayo Bero
Tue 29 Mar 2022 05.36 EDT
"We do not condone violence. Assault is never the answer. These words have echoed through all of my social media accounts since Will Smith slapped Chris Rock for making a poor-taste joke about Smiths wife, Jada Pinkett Smith. The joke referenced Pinkett Smiths shaved head, a decision she made due to her struggles with the autoimmune disease alopecia.
Most people agree the slap shouldnt have happened. But theres something that feels precious at best, and downright racist at worst, about white peoples reaction to the now-infamous smack. The Hollywood director Judd Apatow declared in a deleted tweet that Smith could have killed Rock (seriously?), calling it pure out of control rage and violence. Apatow later confirmed he wasnt even watching the show when he made the remarks. The radio host Howard Stern compared Smith to Donald Trump, while white women on Twitter somehow decided that Smiths actions meant he must be beating his wife. It would seem that theres a layer of hyper-violence thats being projected on to Smith simply because he is a Black man who was defending his Black wife.
While its justifiable important, even to interrogate his motives for delivering the slap (was this really all about defending his wife or more about his own ego?), its clear that the backlash against Smith is rooted in not just anti-Blackness, but respectability politics as well.
Its also not just about what Smith did; its where he did it and who was watching. Anyone who has been following these shows can see that Smith is being held up to much stricter standards than white men who have behaved just as badly or even worse in those settings. In 1973, John Wayne had to be restrained by six security guards when he tried to rush the stage and attack the Native American actor and activist Sacheen Littlefeather. Littlefeather was on stage to accept the best actor award on behalf of Marlon Brando, who was boycotting the awards in protest at Hollywoods depictions of Native Americans.
More at
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/29/white-outrage-about-will-smiths-slap-is-rooted-in-anti-blackness-its-inequality-in-plain-sight
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,412 posts)What bullshit!
Baltimike
(4,138 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)What a generalization. Smh.
dem4decades
(11,269 posts)He became out of control and violent then blamed love.
BeyondGeography
(39,347 posts)Thanks.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)It is absolutely ridiculous to compare an act that was witnessed by millions live on TV, to something that literally nobody but a few people in the room saw.
What bullshit.
eissa
(4,238 posts)This is absolutely asinine. Many prominent African-Americans have come to Rock's defense and condemned Smith's actions, rightfully so.
And can we move on from this Neanderthal-ish trope that a man must resort to violence to protect his wife's honor? Jada was not physically attacked, she was at the receiving end of a joke at a show where celebrities have been routinely mocked for years. If assaulting someone over something that benign is now the norm, we have bigger problems.
I highly recommend everyone read Kareem Abdul-Jabar's thoughtful piece on this. Here's an excerpt:
The Black community also takes a direct hit from Smith. One of the main talking points from those supporting the systemic racism in America is characterizing Blacks as more prone to violence and less able to control their emotions. Smith just gave comfort to the enemy by providing them with the perfect optics they were dreaming of. Fox News host Jeanine Pirro wasted no time going full-metal jacket racist by declaring the Oscars are not the hood.
https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith-did-a-bad-bad-thing?s=r
Cha
(296,848 posts)FBaggins
(26,721 posts)That didnt come from Rock.
Cha
(296,848 posts)then? I asked the original poster for the source but haven't heard back.
TY!
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FBaggins
(26,721 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)get about editing that out. Sigh.
I wish he would put out a statement.
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Cha
(296,848 posts)then? I asked the original poster for the source but haven't heard back.
TY!
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FBaggins
(26,721 posts)I say that without any knowledge of who he or she is or what color their skin is.
A black comic offends a black actress and her black husband smacks the black comic. I cant imagine what the anti-blackness position would be, but I cant think of a rational theory that would support one of them above another.
Must have been a slow week on the racial relations desk and they were desperate for column inches.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)LexVegas
(6,031 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)1) This is a moment when DU could use more Black voices. 2) Chris shouldn't have disrespected Will's wife and Will shouldn't have slapped him. 3) The calls for Will's head have been over the top.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I think the reaction here would be quite different lol.
Sneederbunk
(14,278 posts)SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,917 posts)would suddenly recognize that Chris Rock is black.
questionseverything
(9,645 posts)choie
(4,107 posts)That's crap. Has nothing to do with more Black voices. Many African Americans are disgusted by Will Smith's display of toxic masculinity.
Drum
(9,092 posts)It was a fluid live situation. Everyone there had options. Nevertheless, what happened objectively did happen. We all saw it live on TV.
I cannot concur that my outrage (Im white, btw) was in response to anything but my view on human social conduct, as well as what might be largely-accepted conventions of awards shows and stand-up comedy.
I refute the narrow conclusion cited. Such things as responses to events cited cannot simply be staked out as revealing racism and bias. Thats absurd. I can, and frequently must, take in and respond to what I see or experience. To damn that, to deny that to anyone of any sort on the basis of their complexion, is social suicide.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)I do find it funny that the same folks who condemn Will Smith (and rightfully so) are all on board with Greg Gianforte. The GOP didn't kick him out when he body slammed and punched a reporter several times. Heck the voters of Montana rewarded him with a Congressional seat and the Governor's office.
They have never called to strip racer awards from NASCAR drivers who attack other drivers either (there can't be competitive consent to a battery in motor sports).
Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)It was shocking, narcissistic, and ruined everyone's night. And...that's really about it.
arlyellowdog
(866 posts)Yeah, Ive seen all those attacks on people asking for 0 tolerance for violence. Theres so much fighting in schools now. Kids are getting hurt. There has to be 0 tolerance of hitting. So, now saying there should be 0 tolerance of hitting is racist? Will Smith is first and foremost a big screen hero and role model. Just stop.
YorkRd
(326 posts)The black intelligentsia says only blacks should comment on this controversy that was seen around the world. Self otherization.
We live in a post post racial world where its ok to call out any rich man for toxic masculinty and bullying, no excuses.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(2,909 posts)was a white angle to the story.
krawhitham
(4,641 posts)Response to luv2fly (Original post)
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exboyfil
(17,862 posts)I am expecting a bit more. The Academy should suspend him from all activities and eligibility for awards for the next three years. Hopefully the other awards shows follow suit.
Also SAG has to get involved. He assaulted and battered another SAG member at his workplace.
The Academy should have kicked him out that night before he collected his Oscar, but they missed the opportunity.
I actually think Chris Rock is making a mistake not filing a criminal complaint and he should also file a SAG complaint.
This is more than just Will Smith. Unless we want to entirely redefine what the meaning of fighting words and "honor" are in our society and go back to a more Jacksonian time.
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exboyfil
(17,862 posts)was that it was too short of a time window to react.
Demonstrating my conclusion that they are impotent and ineffectual. I personally have an unpopular position regarding the Oscars and the activism demonstrated during the awards show - it is ham fisted and counterproductive and mutes whatever voice these entitled elites think they have. They need to clean that up as well. People are sitting down to watch an awards ceremony, and they don't want to be preached to (especially those who maintain a firmly held if woefully ignorant contrary position to what most of Hollywood maintains). Keep with the preaching and the Oscars will slide into further irrelevancy.
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exboyfil
(17,862 posts)They tried to get the Board together to decide what to do.
While that was going on, the award show was continuing.
It seems they should have had a head of security that knew that anybody approaching the stage irrespective of who they are should be stopped, and definitely escorted out of the facility. I can see not stopping Smith because of his proximity to Rock (it was set up like a Comedy Club), but not showing him the door afterwards - that is pathetic.
Heads should roll in the Academy administration as well.
Here is a Variety article I just looked up.
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/why-will-smith-wasnt-ejected-from-oscars-chris-rock-slap-1235217098/
Escorting Smith out of the ceremony was discussed, the source said, though by the time any substantive scenarios were imagined, he had already been called up to the podium to accept an Oscar for his turn in King Richard. The show ended shortly thereafter, as a joyous atmosphere turned sour.
Another person close to the event pointed out that show producers did not want the optics of having security remove a beloved movie star from his seat, especially as Smith supporters highlighted the defense of his wife Jada Pinkett Smith. Rocks joke about her bald head a reference to Demi Moores G.I. Jane invoked reference to Pinkett Smiths open struggle with alopecia. The source indicated Rocks joke was off the cuff, and not included in the script fed to him on teleprompters.
Polly Hennessey
(6,788 posts)after he sat down and he made the statements twice.
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luv2fly
(2,475 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)eyeroll.
Takket
(21,528 posts)full of generalizations and broad brush painting.
"while white women on Twitter somehow decided that Smiths actions meant he must be beating his wife"
and brushing off people's legit concerns about domestic violence as rooted in racism is downright offensive.
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Deuce
(959 posts)So you gotta look at OJ's situation. He's paying $25,000 a month in alimony, got another man driving around in his car and fucking his wife in a house he's still paying the mortgage on. Now I'm not saying he should have killed her... but I understand!
LexVegas
(6,031 posts)Please
LexVegas
(6,031 posts)tavernier
(12,369 posts)Deuce
(959 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,240 posts)But I do have a warped sense of humor.
I think he could get some mileage out of "I'm not saying he should have hit me, but I understand."
DemocratSinceBirth
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maxsolomon
(33,246 posts)Smith WASN'T stopped the way John Wayne was; he walked right up on stage with no one in his way. Can you imagine if security had restrained him?
Instead, Smith still got the Best Actor award Hollywood was been looking for a way to hand him. Rock isn't hurt and will undoubtedly make hay of it for years.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Does anybody have an independent source in addition to Sacheen Littlefeather? I am not saying it didn't happen, but a second source would be very useful.
meadowlander
(4,388 posts)Except for:
Mel Gibson
Charlie Sheen
Johnny Depp
Russell Crowe
Christian Slater
Gary Busey
Mickey Rourke
Edward Furlong
Shia LaBoeuf
etc.
Mr.Bill
(24,240 posts)have made a living being parodies of themselves.
standingtall
(2,785 posts)Sure there is plenty of racism in the world, but maybe the reason some people think Will Smith is violent is because oh yeah, he slapped a man on national TV for the entire world to see. Will Smith is not a victim. He is not a hero for what he did nor sure he be praised for standing up to bullying as some have said, because in he did was in fact bullying. The average everyday person assaults someone in their line of work regardless of the reason there done.
I actually like Will Smith and career should be ruined for this, but if it is no one should feel sorry for him. Stop with the deflections and the whataboutisms what he did was dead wrong I cannot be justified.
maxsolomon
(33,246 posts)Worst thing that will happen is the Oscars won't have him present an award next year.
Second worst thing is that they will, and we'll have to listen to him apologize.
Third worst is that both he, Rock, and Pinkett will come out, and we'll have to listen to them all talk about it.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)Celerity
(43,108 posts)powerlessness by insisting Jada needed her cucked (literally) husband to save her. It is insulting to paint Jada as some helpless victim.
As a black female, I find this misogynistic 'damsel in distress' (a classic Eurocentric White trope, to add further irony) hot take disgusting.
Tayo Bero (the author) also is attributing justification for Smith's violent attack to some so far evidence-free charge that Rock was having a go at Jada mainly (perhaps solely) because of he knew she had alopecia.
Bero's contrived outrage, her abusing and cheapening of the term 'anti-blackness' and especially her disempowerment of black women is a poor look.
BannonsLiver
(16,299 posts)Diablo del sol
(424 posts)To preface, I am pissed off.
Toure was just on with Joy Reid. To paraphrase, he supported Smith and stated, Will Smith is a star he is entitled to a behave a certain way and will likely be invited back next year to award the best actress Oscar. Joy did nothing to correct him, did not slap his ignorant ass down.
ARE YOUR FUCKING KIDDING ME! SMITH IS ENTITLED?
Can Smith's lame wuss ass say he likes to grab them by the pussy?
Equality does not mean you can act like a piece of shit entitled white person.
I don't give a flying fuck if you are white, black, brown, orange. If you are a fucking asshole you need to be called out.
Smith acted like a fucking asshole. Toure is a fucking ignorant asshole. Joy lost a huge amount of respect for not slapping the shit out of Toure.
The segment was the god damn equivalent of what you would see on Tucker Carlson
Diablo del sol
(424 posts)That ignorant piece of shit seems to be a sexual harasser too, explains his entitled lame ass excuse for Smith.
https://www.okayplayer.com/culture/journalist-toure-accused-of-workplace-sexual-harassment.html
WarGamer
(12,354 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)ZonkerHarris
(24,207 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,240 posts)was assault and battery in California, and it is most assuredly prosecutable.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)if he would - it would be obscene waste of taxpayers money.
Mr.Bill
(24,240 posts)They may not, but there's pretty damn good video and hundreds of witnesses to the crime.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,240 posts)You don't need a cooperating victim in California to indict and convict for Assault and Battery. It may make it easier, but Rock's testimony would not be needed with the video evidence. It's up to the DA. Like I say, he may not but he could. I'm sure he has more important crimes to work on.
Tree Lady
(11,425 posts)Either of them were, no one should have slapped anyone at the Oscars.
I can think of a few white stars with a temper, what if Sean Penn slapped Tom Hanks?
Quixote1818
(28,918 posts)2 Meow Momma
(6,682 posts)I wont guess the motive in such a all encompassing smear.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)What point is the writer trying to make?
Goodheart
(5,308 posts)1- White "outrage"? I haven't seen any outrage, just disapproval. It's not important enough for outrage.
2- No, it's not about anti-Blackness. It's about anti-violence. Not every criticism of a black person is "anti-Blackness".
Mosby
(16,259 posts)Their obsession with the US has no bounds.
highplainsdem
(48,916 posts)Duncan Grant
(8,260 posts)(Italics are pull quotes from the article, followed by my words.)
It would seem that theres a layer of hyper-violence thats being projected on to Smith simply because he is a Black man who was defending his Black wife.
Or it could be a serious transgression of social mores. You know, the rule of law stuff. Trivial, I know, but we should make an effort not to initiate criminal assault just because were pissed off. Kid stuff, right?
Anyone who has been following these shows can see that Smith is being held up to much stricter standards than white men who have behaved just as badly or even worse in those settings.
How did I miss all those white movie stars assaulting presenters and screaming expletives at them in front of an international audience? That didnt happen, right? This is a public relations lie. Will Smith is no victim.
The world is so used to seeing Black women as unworthy of being protected and fought for that it cant see any merit to Smiths actions or the emotions that spurred them.
Theres no context that excuses violence against another at an awards show. Its shameful to suggest theres something chivalrous about Will Smiths actions. Theres nothing meritorious about his conduct at the Academy Awards.