Should NATO help Ukraine shoot down Russian jets that are murdering civilians?

[ColinC]

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	Yes, by using their own jets and pilots to shoot down Russian jets murdering people
	1 (8%)
	Yes, by donating equipment including jets that can shoot down Russian jets that are murdering people
	7 (54%)
	Yes by donating additional equipment limited to non jets and SAMs to shoot down Russian jets that are murdering people
	4 (31%)
	Yes, by continuing to donate Stingers and other anti air equipment to shoot down jets that are murdering people
	0 (0%)
	No.
	1 (8%)
	Something else.
	0 (0%)
	0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[Igel]

1. The only question is what "help" means.

Provide S-300s and any missiles that work with them.

Provide MiGs and SUs.

Provide anything that takes out a fighter at 13k m and might be deniable.

(While you're at it, provide tanks and APCs. Defensive weapons suck at offensives. "Victory at all losts. Oh. Typo? That would be telling.&quot

Don't tell us. Don't preen and say you're thinking about it--then decide "no". Or "we're trying to make it possible" when a signature is at most what's necessary. Don't say "yes, we approve" then "but if they do it, they're on their own." In other words: Don't be a weasel. Just say, "Um ...". Nike was the goddess of victory ... Just do it.

If, if you need the poli points, say, "We did it." Only past tense is accepted; present tense ("we are currently actually doing it&quot is provisional. "We will do it..." the future isn't real. Talk "real."

[Polybius]

2. No

Continue the sanctions and weapon supplies.

[ColinC]

4. So should we stop supplying weapons that can shoot down

Russian jets?

[Polybius]

7. Not we shouldn't stop

I said "Continue the sanctions and weapon supplies." Why would you think I said stop, when in my reply I said continue?

[lpbk2713]

3. Provide anything but manned aircraft.

Civilians have access to a variety of weapons. They may not accurately
identify friendly aircraft and fire at anything they see in the sky.

[Locutusofborg]

5. NATO should stay out of it

Individual nations, including NATO members should do whatever they want, including jets and pilots, to assist Ukraine to defend itself.

[ColinC]

6. Hmmm... Not a bad idea

It is a bit weird that Poland tried to lend Ukraine jets and was supposedly overruled by the US. They should be able to do what they want with their own things.

[bif]

8. Agreed!

[brooklynite]

9. Not what they proposed...

They proposed to give Ukraine their Soviet-era planes (which Ukrainian pilots were used to) if the US would replace them with American planes.

[Locutusofborg]

11. I'll trade you a 1996 Nissan Sentra (MiG 29s)

for your Tesla Model S (US F-16s). Good deal, right? 😀