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Septua

(2,252 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:50 PM Mar 2022

I don't understand why the Jan 6 Committee...

..is concerned over the possible appearance of conducting a partisan witch hunt to get Donald Trump. That's what Dan Goldman said today on Deadline White House, relative to the Committee making criminal referrals to DOJ. Goldman has had the opinion all along that DOJ should be in the process of investigating the Jan 6 insurrection based on all the evidence already floating around.

And I don't disagree with that but with everything everybody already knows, where does any hint of partisan witch hunt activity exist? Trump lost the election, everybody knows it. Trump tried to get swing state election officials to nullify their election results and everybody knows it. Trump tried to get Pence to not certify the electoral vote count and everybody knows it. Trump spent an hour at the Jan 6 rally stoking the crowd with rigged election lies, stolen election lies, Democrat and media conspiracy lies, 'got to fight like hell' comments, totally unsubstantiated 'proof' of a rigged election lies...over and over and over. And after the riot began, he let it run for 3 hours and everybody knows it.

Donald Trump, 100 Republican Senators and Representatives, along with several lawyers and radical right personalities devised a plan to undo the 2020 election that would keep Trump in the White House, which is an attempted coup d' état. Any investigation, by any group of investigators, is a necessary and logical attempt to determine what Trump knew and when did he know it.

The Republicans are already calling the investigation partisan...might as well forget about possible appearances. If DOJ doesn't start the investigation, make the damned criminal referral.

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brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
1. I have no idea what you're referring to other than the opinion of a cable news pundit.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:54 PM
Mar 2022

What actual evidence do you have about such an alleged concern?

dem4decades

(11,269 posts)
2. Have you heard the comments from the Committee members themselves concerned about DOJ
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:58 PM
Mar 2022

And its lack of action?

Septua

(2,252 posts)
9. Law enforcement isn't a valid legislative purpose
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:51 AM
Mar 2022
"The Select Committee is gathering facts and asking questions about the violence of January 6th and its causes so we can make legislative recommendations and help ensure nothing like that day happens again," a committee aide told CNN. "The Select Committee is not conducting a law enforcement investigation, so if we uncover information that we believe could be related to criminal conduct, we will make whatever referrals are appropriate."

But any referrals made by the committee may serve as more of a political statement than anything else.

"Law enforcement and the punishment of perceived legal wrongs are not valid legislative purposes. To the extent Congress seeks to utilize subpoenas to investigate and punish perceived criminal wrongdoing, it unconstitutionally intrudes on the prerogatives of the Executive Branch," his attorneys wrote. "Bringing information to light for the sake of bringing it to light is not a valid legislative end."


https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/21/politics/january-6-committee-criminal-referrals/index.html
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. You think a conviction in court is assured? If not, that's your answer.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:06 AM
Mar 2022

In a period where less than 5% of voters — true independents — decide a national election, it’s a big deal.

Septua

(2,252 posts)
10. Indictment vs conviction
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:08 AM
Mar 2022

That's another point Mr Goldman brings up often. A grand jury could bring an indictment but a trial jury won't necessarily convict.

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rampartc

(5,385 posts)
5. the clock is ticking
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:38 AM
Mar 2022

if this committee is not wrapped up and reported before november (and the committee members have to go home and campaign before november) speaker jordan will wrap it up for them.

rampartc

(5,385 posts)
6. if this committee is not wrapped up and reported before november
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:39 AM
Mar 2022

if this committee is not wrapped up and reported before november (and the committee members have to go home and campaign before november) speaker jordan will wrap it up for them.

no_hypocrisy

(46,020 posts)
7. It's the Republicans' logical fallacy of trying to make the Democrats and the
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 06:30 AM
Mar 2022

Investigation adopt the position that this process look "fair".

There is no "fair". It's an investigation. You can't ignore, you can't control the facts.

If it were a murder case, the Republicans position would be "You hate the defendant. That's why you put him on trial."

It doesn't work that way.

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