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UTUSN

(70,686 posts)
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:17 PM Mar 2022

Senator Susie has a middling conscience. Shouldn't the Repuke party have a whole third or more?

A cliche is that 1/3 are pro- something, 1/3 against, and 1/3 in the middle. So any vote on the correct side of things matters and is welcome, but she and those others supposedly in the Middle, the "mavericks" (we've got some of those in our Democratic side, too), claim to be "fair" and "concerned" and conscientious/whatever and sometimes buck their party and do the correct thing, but more often than not are pesky gnats to everybody on both sides, dangling their carrot and holding everybody hostage.

So COLLINS deigns to vote yes for KBJ, fine. Or insert "sarcasm" here: Whew, that was *HARD*, that doing the correct thing thingy. Seems like there should be more than a mushy *one* voting correctly on the Repuke side, on any given issue actually. Able and willing at least to pretend to torture themselves twisting into a pretzel before finally coming down on the correct thing.

Wait, no: What we suspected forever, that the Repukes' core values were all rotted, all about greed, racism, unregulated excess, has been proved out in the Drumpf era, exposing even more: Complete lack of moral ground, negative ethics, anti-government, anti-democracy, anti-country itself.

But back to those in the "Middle": Turns out that JFK was paraphrasing, not quoting, DANTE's Inferno about "the hottest places in hell" being reserved for those who in times of moral dilemmas don't take sides. Especially since in Inferno Satan's place is ICE, not fire.

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https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/01/14/hottest/

The Hottest Places in Hell Are Reserved for Those Who in a Period of Moral Crisis Maintain Their Neutrality
Dante Alighieri? John F. Kennedy? John A. Hutton? Theodore Roosevelt? W. M. Vines? Henry Powell Spring? Apocryphal?

.... Quote Investigator: Dante’s poem does include a section describing the fate of individuals who were neutral between good and evil. Their experiences were gruesome, but they were not placed in a location that was scorching hot.

Dante placed Satan at the lowest part of Hell which was at the center of the Earth, but that location was also not hot. Instead, Satan was trapped with ice around his waist. ....

“Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality,” he/(JFK) declared. “This question of the basic right of each citizen to be permitted to develop his talents to the maximum regardless of his race or creed is a moral question.” ....

In conclusion, this quotation did not appear in “Inferno” by Dante Alighieri, and it does not accurately reflect the location of neutral beings in Dante’s elaborate eschatology. Nevertheless, QI conjectures that the statement evolved from a flawed re-interpretation of Dante’s work. The earliest close match in 1944 was published by Henry Powell Spring who credited Dante. The cast of sinners assigned to the worst part of hell by religious thinkers has varied substantially throughout history.

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Senator Susie has a middling conscience. Shouldn't the Repuke party have a whole third or more? (Original Post) UTUSN Mar 2022 OP
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Only in Maine does she need to convince. jimfields33 Mar 2022 #3
Maine/convince - ?, please elaborate, am interested/curious. Thanks. UTUSN Mar 2022 #4
Only voters in Maine vote her in or out. jimfields33 Mar 2022 #5
Oh. So they like her middling concern/conscience, is what the Maine majority is like. UTUSN Mar 2022 #6
Clearly a very independent group of voters jimfields33 Mar 2022 #7
Collins probably thinks she has a conscience or integrity gratuitous Mar 2022 #8
Well, DU pal, same'ol for her. Gratuitously speaking!1 Small "g"! UTUSN Mar 2022 #9

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jimfields33

(15,789 posts)
3. Only in Maine does she need to convince.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:53 PM
Mar 2022

Sadly senators are not nationwide elections even though they affect the nation.

jimfields33

(15,789 posts)
7. Clearly a very independent group of voters
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 05:48 PM
Mar 2022

They are not republican or democratic voters exclusively. Rare in a state today.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. Collins probably thinks she has a conscience or integrity
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 05:57 PM
Mar 2022

In this case, it may actually work out in favor of the good guys. But she's not built for any serious challenge to the poobahs of her party. Which is why I think her showboating is because Judge Jackson's confirmation is a done deal, and Collins likes being on the winning side. Besides, this nomination doesn't really affect the Court's balance, so what the hey.

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