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Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:13 PM Mar 2022

AOC is right, but she has the wrong answer

AOC is predicting we're going to get badly beaten in November and in order to prevent it, she says we have to move further to the left. I agree that November can be a disaster for us. But I believe that moving further to the left will only be a gift to the Republican propaganda machine.

The Republicans understand human nature far better than do we Dems. They know that fear is a stronger motivator than reason, common sense, or even self-interest. And it works, as we've seen over many decades.

So, given that there are only about six months left until this year's elections, here's my prescription. Scare the shit out of American voters. I mean terrify them. How? Tell them we're on the brink of a fascist takeover that will turn America into a horrible dictatorship like Russia, or worse. Make that our single message and shout it out loud and clear. Tell them the Republicans are a threat to our freedoms and our very existence. Think that's going too far? Take a look at some of the certifiably insane people in today's Republican Party and then tell me what "too far" means.

And, yes, this is playing dirty. But when you're at war, you play dirty. There are no bombs or missiles falling on us, but the Republicans are trying to take away our country and our freedoms, as sure as Putin is trying to take away those of the Ukrainians. And make no mistake about it.The Republicans declared war on us a long time ago.

Agree with AOC? Think I'm way off base? Have a different solution? Okay, let's hear how we prevent the American fascist party from winning or stealing the congress next November.

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AOC is right, but she has the wrong answer (Original Post) Cyrano Mar 2022 OP
I agree TheRealNorth Mar 2022 #1
Not playing dirty at all - cilla4progress Mar 2022 #2
This!!! Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 #7
Tell the dirty truth. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #3
"Scaring the sh*t out of voters" ain't much of a prescription. Hoyt Mar 2022 #4
Tell that to the Republicans Cyrano Mar 2022 #16
And that's why it's a poor prescription. I don't think trying to out GOPer them helps us. Hoyt Mar 2022 #19
The millions of us who voted President "Nato Joe" Biden into office can make a big abqtommy Mar 2022 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #6
The clock has run out on Cyrano Mar 2022 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #10
She's not saying move to the left per se, she is suggesting Biden try to get as much of his agenda Celerity Mar 2022 #8
When Republicans move to the right, they still win, and win bigger in some instances SpankMe Mar 2022 #11
Yep. Keeping Dems together is like herding cats Cyrano Mar 2022 #13
"Tulsi Gabbard as a DINO for not toeing the line on every single little issue" lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #18
"Republican propaganda machine." Which will MAKE CRAP UP NO MATTER WHAT !! Might as well.. uponit7771 Mar 2022 #12
I say look at the most recent polling on the huge issues like universal health care, free college, Magoo48 Mar 2022 #14
Sticks are more effective than carrots Cyrano Mar 2022 #17
Biden's statesman-like performance in rallying NATO to back... brush Mar 2022 #15

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
1. I agree
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:17 PM
Mar 2022

No need to lean into the Republican's messaging. We need to attack, attack, attack. If AOC hopes to enact any of the policies she supports, we need to win first.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
7. This!!!
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:29 PM
Mar 2022

The choice is between democracy and authoritarianism, it could not be more clear that those are the stakes.

And Dems must combat the negative messaging of Republicans better. They've let the entire discussion of how the US is doing be dominated by one metric, inflation. They're wasting the greatest year for jobs growth in US history under their watch, the best year for economic growth in 40 years, and the largest wage growth in decades. They refuse to brag about them in every conversation about inflation.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
3. Tell the dirty truth.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:23 PM
Mar 2022

Republicans are a dire threat to the life, liberty and happiness of every American, even the righty-Whiteys they purport to support.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
5. The millions of us who voted President "Nato Joe" Biden into office can make a big
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:27 PM
Mar 2022

statement in every upcoming election, as long as we stick together and show up. I'm
a reliable Democratic, Anti-Fa voter. The two terms fit together very well.

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
9. The clock has run out on
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:33 PM
Mar 2022

that making a difference next November. Most people, including voters, don't pay attention to political "stuff." If indictments were brought today, any trial would be a few months away, and would no doubt be delayed by appeals. November will be here before any jury will even be seated. And by then, our country could well have been stolen from us.

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Celerity

(43,340 posts)
8. She's not saying move to the left per se, she is suggesting Biden try to get as much of his agenda
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:32 PM
Mar 2022

done as is possible via EO's if need be, many of those parts blocked by the twin obstructionists, Manchin and Sinema.

Unfortunately there is nothing of true impact Biden can really do about Manchin's blocking of the so so vital voter bills.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
11. When Republicans move to the right, they still win, and win bigger in some instances
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:38 PM
Mar 2022

This is because their ranks "fall in line" and vote for their party like lemmings running off a cliff no matter who runs under the "R" banner. They'll vote for moderates as well as Nazis if there's an "R" after their name on the ballot.

The left however actually THINKS about their candidates and votes in a more analytical fashion. They're much more discerning and won't vote for those on our side of the line who are more extreme. Lefties also tend to not vote at all if there is no candidate that suits them. This is a built-in flaw with the left that will make them losers in the upcoming election: we refuse to vote in one big block.

From moderates to Nazis, Republicans will reliably vote for any Republican on the ballot. Further, they get out and vote no matter what.

On our side of the spectrum, however, we bash AOC for being a too-liberal socialist who can't garner national appeal and we bash Tulsi Gabbard as a DINO for not toeing the line on every single little issue, even though she voted with Democrats 90-some percent of the time.

Both AOC and Gabbard have D's next to their names and their numbers in congress would keep us in control. But our vote gets fragmented and split with all of this liberal perfection we're demanding and Republicans come in and swoop up the win because of their psychotically consistent voting.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
12. "Republican propaganda machine." Which will MAKE CRAP UP NO MATTER WHAT !! Might as well..
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:39 PM
Mar 2022

.. move to the popular side of the policies

Magoo48

(4,708 posts)
14. I say look at the most recent polling on the huge issues like universal health care, free college,
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:58 PM
Mar 2022

affordable child care, taxing billionaires etc, then, run the outcomes through the lens of environmental protections, make that your platform and run on it. That is representative government. Fight for exactly what the majority of people want.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
17. Sticks are more effective than carrots
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 02:59 PM
Mar 2022

Especially with an election coming at us like a speeding bullet.

brush

(53,776 posts)
15. Biden's statesman-like performance in rallying NATO to back...
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 02:13 PM
Mar 2022

Ukraine against the monstrous Putin's invasion should have some effect but Manchin and Sinema's torpedoing of the BBB build was devastating.

Trying to break the bill into pieces and get those passed is our only chance.

AOC has to be more pragmatic and stop with the "moving left" is the answer talk. That cost us in 2020. You don't preach that as the answer. You win then install those measures.

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