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Nevilledog

(51,064 posts)
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 02:17 PM Mar 2022

A hotel banned Native Americans. The Sioux hit back with a trespassing order.





https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/03/30/south-dakota-hotel-native-americans/

No paywall
https://archive.ph/KLCoc


On March 20, one day after a young Native American man was shot at a Rapid City, S.D., hotel, the owner posted on Facebook that she was implementing a new guest policy.

“We will no long[er] allow any Native American on property,” wrote Connie Uhre, owner of the Grand Gateway Hotel, according to a screenshot of the post.

The social media post set off a firestorm in Rapid City, South Dakota’s second most populated city, where about 10 percent of residents are of Native descent. A nonprofit group that defends the rights of Native Americans has filed a federal class-action lawsuit against the hotel and Uhre, alleging racial discrimination, and Sioux tribal leaders have served the hotel with a trespassing order, saying the Grand Gateway is on Native land, in violation of an 1868 treaty.

“Some of our people were shocked and upset after seeing that” social media post, Harold Frazier, chairman of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe, told The Washington Post. “Some of our people were like, ‘We always go through this,’ but to really see it in writing, it caused a lot of anger.”

“Gateway Hotel is in our treaty land,” he added. “… By treaty and by law, we still own that land.”

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A hotel banned Native Americans. The Sioux hit back with a trespassing order. (Original Post) Nevilledog Mar 2022 OP
Well played!!! Coventina Mar 2022 #1
Welcome to the Sioux Hotel, now under new managment. Budi Mar 2022 #2
Soon come Brother Buzz Mar 2022 #9
That would be cool! calimary Mar 2022 #26
No republicans allowed. SergeStorms Mar 2022 #43
Not to mention bedbugs. Totally Tunsie Apr 2022 #64
Looks like the original one is already closed. At least temporarily - for now. Maraya1969 Mar 2022 #44
That was fast! Budi Mar 2022 #45
Excellent Demovictory9 Mar 2022 #3
Tell them to go and take their hotel with them. ;) Chainfire Mar 2022 #4
So the owner barred all Native Americans Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #5
I wonder if that treaty would stand up in Court? luvtheGWN Mar 2022 #6
Treaty, schmeaty. ShazzieB Mar 2022 #21
Doesn't matter. paleotn Mar 2022 #40
Maybe it might. This country has changed a lot in the last many years. What would happen to a Maraya1969 Mar 2022 #46
Wrote this on Twitter about the ban. efhmc Mar 2022 #56
This OP doesn't have (doesn't claim to have) the whole story, soldierant Mar 2022 #30
The man arrested for the shooting appears to be Native American too muriel_volestrangler Mar 2022 #34
Thanks for clarifying that Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #51
Thanks. That figures. I hope thetrespassing suit goes well for the tribe. soldierant Mar 2022 #62
Yeah, seems to me it's not clear Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #50
see Herrera vs state of wyoming. cntrfthrs Mar 2022 #39
Maybe they should ban people who look like mass shooters IronLionZion Mar 2022 #7
Too logical. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2022 #33
They would be thrown a party and invite Fox News SallyHemmings Mar 2022 #38
Bravo, my brothers packman Mar 2022 #8
Sioux, or Lakota? frogmarch Mar 2022 #10
Yes, Sioux is derogatory. It means "snakes" wnylib Mar 2022 #20
All true, but the term "Sioux" seems to be here to stay as an umbrella term. ShazzieB Mar 2022 #27
Anishinaabe is the preferred term for Ojibwe, I think geardaddy Mar 2022 #59
Nearly all Native Americans have a preferred name wnylib Mar 2022 #61
You are correct on your earlier post geardaddy Apr 2022 #63
The last person who messed with the Lakota . . . AverageOldGuy Mar 2022 #37
Thank you geardaddy Mar 2022 #58
This is why we need immigration reform... Sylvarose Mar 2022 #11
Give them a date to leave. The Jungle 1 Mar 2022 #12
This one is great. Watch and smile. The Jungle 1 Mar 2022 #13
Maybe go find some real crooks. Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #16
Nick Tilsen's last words to them? Hah! Duncan Grant Mar 2022 #18
Read any of Hillerman's book and you would know this. efhmc Mar 2022 #42
I have never read any of his work. The Jungle 1 Mar 2022 #49
I would start with the first in the series. efhmc Mar 2022 #57
Tony Hillerman is definitely good reading. I've read almost all of them. panader0 Mar 2022 #60
Wow. I was wondering where Shuster landed BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #53
the INDIAN NATION should sue the hotel for discrimination. they can't ban Indian Citizens !!!!! Trueblue1968 Mar 2022 #14
They are doing exactly that. ShazzieB Mar 2022 #29
I hope Native Americans win back tons of U.S. dollars owed as rent on their land. Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #15
Interesting events The Jungle 1 Mar 2022 #52
Connie, there are more of your fellow Americans with NA/indigenous blood txwhitedove Mar 2022 #17
Kudos to the Sioux council. Kick the racists off tribal land. onetexan Mar 2022 #19
Reminds me of a Lone Ranger joke wnylib Mar 2022 #22
Shit like this gives me a headache lillypaddle Mar 2022 #23
Is there genetic testing at the door? LakeArenal Mar 2022 #24
Maybe the Očhethi akowiŋ Oyte should ask everyone living in the state to leave turbinetree Mar 2022 #25
Someone better get her own lawyer. This is incredibly, jawdroppingly, stupid. Hekate Mar 2022 #28
1. Open mess kit. trof Mar 2022 #31
I have been many places in my life. BidenRocks Mar 2022 #32
I hope this financially bankrupts drmeow Mar 2022 #35
Someone needs to remind the Gateway Hotel . . . AverageOldGuy Mar 2022 #36
Violation of Title II of the Civil Rights Act. paleotn Mar 2022 #41
Guards armed with f'n assault rifles? WTAF????? niyad Mar 2022 #47
One wonders why someone who hates the Indigenous peoples of SD would open a hotel niyad Mar 2022 #48
My immediate thought: to rub their noses in it. malthaussen Mar 2022 #54
I think you are quite correct. niyad Mar 2022 #55

Brother Buzz

(36,411 posts)
9. Soon come
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:42 PM
Mar 2022

Grand Gateway Hotel of Rapid City is temporarily closed, but a little birdie told me the Sioux Nation is inside measuring curtains.

calimary

(81,194 posts)
26. That would be cool!
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 04:50 PM
Mar 2022

It’s on THEIR land? Why not? They could rehire everybody involved and then all would benefit.

Or maybe I’m just being naive with my wishful thinking…

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
43. No republicans allowed.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 10:26 PM
Mar 2022

Unless they pay quadruple prices for the honor of staying at the Lakota Hotel.

Republicans are so damned messy, and they carry diseases.

Farmer-Rick

(10,151 posts)
5. So the owner barred all Native Americans
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:21 PM
Mar 2022

From her hotel because some people who happened to be Native American did something wrong. So how often have white people done something wrong in her hotel? There are probably hundreds of white people who have staid there and did damage or something else wrong. But she never ever considered barring all white people.

Racist can't help being god awful racists. And they don't even notice it when they do it.

I wonder if that treaty would stand up in Court?

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
6. I wonder if that treaty would stand up in Court?
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:29 PM
Mar 2022

It should, but sadly it won't. Just about every treaty made with native Americans in the past 200 years has been broken, so imagine the precedent this would set. The courts wouldn't have time to deal with the thousands upon thousands of suits.

And Canada's record isn't much better, although we are trying to make amends through the Truth and Reconciliation Committee.

You make such a good point about white folks misbehaving in her Hotel. Gee, I can't imagine that that hasn't happened...many times over.

ShazzieB

(16,357 posts)
21. Treaty, schmeaty.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 04:28 PM
Mar 2022

Nobody knows better than our Native American friends that those treaties weren't worth the paper they were printed on. I suspect the Sioux Nation is just using the treaty to make a point and generate unfavorable publicity for the hotel and favorable publicity for the discrimination lawsuit.

The Sioux know good and well they're going to win that lawsuit, treaty or no treaty. A private business refusing to provide service to people of a particular race isn't going to fly in ANY court. That's just plain illegal, and how those hotel owners thought they could get away with it is beyond me.

Meanwhile, if the Sioux can generate enough bad publicity, that hotel may end up crawling to the Sioux Nation on their hands and knees, offering a nice fat out of court settlement to make this go away.

The Sioux know exactly what they're doing, and I applaud them for it.

Maraya1969

(22,474 posts)
46. Maybe it might. This country has changed a lot in the last many years. What would happen to a
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 11:41 PM
Mar 2022

judge that denied the treaty? Their face and name would be plastered all over the internet.

I think Native Americans should start taking their country back one little piece of land at a time.

efhmc

(14,725 posts)
56. Wrote this on Twitter about the ban.
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 11:13 AM
Mar 2022

"Unbelievable. Wonder how many "white" hotels would still be open if they banned all whites because of the crimes that other whites committed there."

soldierant

(6,846 posts)
30. This OP doesn't have (doesn't claim to have) the whole story,
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 06:05 PM
Mar 2022

but just on what's here, I fail to ee how getting shot constitutes "doing something wrong". Sounds more to me like blame the vidtim.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
34. The man arrested for the shooting appears to be Native American too
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 07:39 PM
Mar 2022
Officers arrested Quincy Bear Robe, 19, for aggravated assault and commission of a felony with a firearm following witness interviews. Additional charges may be pending.

https://archive.ph/QxrKI

And the hotel owner, who really is a piece of work, described it as "Natives killing Natives" on social media - though the victim still appears to be alive.

Farmer-Rick

(10,151 posts)
51. Thanks for clarifying that
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 08:27 AM
Mar 2022

So a Native American happen to be both a victim and the perpetrator.

The owner is still a racist. Don't white people kill each other daily in the US? Just about every mass school shooting is white on white crime.

During that Charlottesville Nazi march and parade that TFG praised only one white person died. White on white crime seems to be OK even by white supremacists?

Farmer-Rick

(10,151 posts)
50. Yeah, seems to me it's not clear
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 08:18 AM
Mar 2022

What actually happened is not clear but the owner obviously thinks some Native American did something wrong. I didn't know what would describe it accurately. So a vague statement was better than hanging my hat on facts that weren't clear. It maybe they were the victim. I can't tell from the article.

But in the end the owner is a racist and what she is doing is illegal.

 

cntrfthrs

(15 posts)
39. see Herrera vs state of wyoming.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:50 PM
Mar 2022

a Crow tribal member in montana strayed into wyoming elk hunting. After getting his elk, he was charged with poaching by wyoming game & fish. he took his case to the supreme court who ruled although the reservation was diminished, tribal treaty rights were not which meant treaty rights are just as valid as the constitution and are not abrogated.

IronLionZion

(45,411 posts)
7. Maybe they should ban people who look like mass shooters
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:30 PM
Mar 2022

or racists, white supremacists, Nazis, or insurrectionists.

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
10. Sioux, or Lakota?
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:43 PM
Mar 2022

from blackhillsvisitor.com:

Many Lakota people today prefer to be called Lakota instead of Sioux, as Sioux was a disrespectful name given to them by their enemies.


That aside, Connie Uhre should be ashamed of herself, and I hope her hotel goes bust.

wnylib

(21,420 posts)
20. Yes, Sioux is derogatory. It means "snakes"
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 04:22 PM
Mar 2022

in the language of their old enemies, the Ojibway.

The Sioux term has been used by non Natives to refer to culturally and linguistically related groups of Native people. So Sioux does not automatically mean Lakota. Two other related groups are Dakota and Nakota.

ShazzieB

(16,357 posts)
27. All true, but the term "Sioux" seems to be here to stay as an umbrella term.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 05:04 PM
Mar 2022

From Wikipedia:

The Great Sioux Nation is the traditional political structure of the Sioux in North America. The peoples who speak the Sioux language are considered to be members of the Oceti Sakowin (Očhéthi Šakówiŋ, pronounced [oˈtʃʰetʰi ʃaˈkowĩ]) or Seven Council Fires. The seven-member communities are sometimes grouped into three regional/dialect sub-groups (Lakota, Western Dakota, and Eastern Dakota), but these mid-level identities are not politically institutionalized. The seven communities are all individual members of the historic confederacy. In contemporary culture, the designation is primarily a linguistic, cultural, and for some, political grouping.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sioux_Nation


If you're just talking about the Lakota, it is indeed proper to use that term. However, this discrimination lawsuit is being brought against the owners of the Grand Gateway Hotel by the Great Sioux Nation, which includes and represents not just the Lakota, but all of the communities listed above: https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/grand-sioux-nation-issues-notice-of-trespass-against-owner-of-hotel-that-banned-native-americans

wnylib

(21,420 posts)
61. Nearly all Native Americans have a preferred name
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 02:25 PM
Mar 2022

that they use for themselves instead of the ones used by non Natives.

The Iroquois, for example, prefer their own name, Haudenosaunee.

And yet, the non Native names persist.

EDIT TO add:
If you go to the Seneca territory at Salamanca, NY, you will see a large water tower with the words "Seneca Nation of Indians" printed on it. Their website says "SNI" for "Seneca Nation of Indians." Their bingo hall is called "Seneca Bingo." They refer to their Salamanca casino as a Seneca gaming institution.

But their name for themselves is Onondowaga (People of the Great Hills).

Anyway, the point of my earlier post is that, even if Sioux was a correct name, it is not correct to assume that all people called Sioux are Lakota. The name, however incorrect, includes Dakota and Nakota, too, not only Lakota.

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
63. You are correct on your earlier post
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 11:03 AM
Apr 2022

that not all [Sioux] are Lakota. In Minnesota, they are the Dakota.

AverageOldGuy

(1,523 posts)
37. The last person who messed with the Lakota . . .
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:27 PM
Mar 2022

. . . was named Custer and he messed with them in June 1876.

Sylvarose

(210 posts)
11. This is why we need immigration reform...
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:45 PM
Mar 2022

...so people like the Uhres don't take land and rights from real Americans.

(*Wanna bet Connie Uhre's heard and believed similar talking points...just didn't think it applied to her?*)

efhmc

(14,725 posts)
42. Read any of Hillerman's book and you would know this.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:46 PM
Mar 2022

I am sure other books reference this fact but that is the one I am familiar with.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
49. I have never read any of his work.
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 08:13 AM
Mar 2022

I looked into his books and they do look real interesting. Which book are you referencing?
I have three books lined up now so he will be on the list. Presently I am reading The Farmer's Lawyer. Which has sucked me in.

BumRushDaShow

(128,748 posts)
53. Wow. I was wondering where Shuster landed
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:23 AM
Mar 2022

I didn't even recognize him. Some might recall his history - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2010/04/msnbcs_shuster_suspended_by_ne.html

Aside from that, am glad that Native American group invoked its rights because the "just comply" mantra becomes ludicrous when it is continually expected to only apply to certain demographics.

ShazzieB

(16,357 posts)
29. They are doing exactly that.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 05:22 PM
Mar 2022

It's in the o.p., but kinda buried:

The social media post set off a firestorm in Rapid City, South Dakota’s second most populated city, where about 10 percent of residents are of Native descent. A nonprofit group that defends the rights of Native Americans has filed a federal class-action lawsuit against the hotel and Uhre, alleging racial discrimination, and Sioux tribal leaders have served the hotel with a trespassing order, saying the Grand Gateway is on Native land, in violation of an 1868 treaty.


There's no way they won't win the suit, because a private business denying service to members of a particular race is flat out illegal.
 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
52. Interesting events
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 08:47 AM
Mar 2022

Native Americans are buying their land back. They open casinos make money and buy the land.
Now that will make you smile.

txwhitedove

(3,928 posts)
17. Connie, there are more of your fellow Americans with NA/indigenous blood
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 04:11 PM
Mar 2022

than you know, and we're all pissed at you and your stinky hotel. It's 2022, why haven't we grown? I was about 13 when told of my Cherokee blood, that I could join a tribe if I wished, but DON'T TALK ABOUT IT not even to grandma. Whoa! That was early 1960's.

wnylib

(21,420 posts)
22. Reminds me of a Lone Ranger joke
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 04:35 PM
Mar 2022

that I heard years ago.

Tonto and the Lone Ranger are riding alone through Native country when a band of Natives comes upon them and surrounds them. The Lone Ranger looks at Tonto and says, "Well my friend, looks like the end for us."

Tonto looks at the warriors who are angry about the tresspassing and says, "What do you mean 'us,' white man?"

LakeArenal

(28,813 posts)
24. Is there genetic testing at the door?
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 04:49 PM
Mar 2022

Or is it just folks who “look” Native American. Or with names like Whitefeather…

turbinetree

(24,688 posts)
25. Maybe the Očhethi akowiŋ Oyte should ask everyone living in the state to leave
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 04:49 PM
Mar 2022

after all it is Očhethi Šakowiŋ Oyáte land ..... and all of the intruders can leave along with your Manifest Destiny BS ...... starting at the Gateway Hotel....maybe someone should send her and her bunch a copy of the treaty....or better yet send her and her bunch a treaty of 1851....


https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/sioux-treaty

https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/horse-creek-treaty.htm


Hekate

(90,630 posts)
28. Someone better get her own lawyer. This is incredibly, jawdroppingly, stupid.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 05:05 PM
Mar 2022

“Gateway Hotel is in our treaty land,” he added. “… By treaty and by law, we still own that land.”

BidenRocks

(826 posts)
32. I have been many places in my life.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 07:07 PM
Mar 2022

Since retirement and Covid, I am stuck in So. Cal.
Now I want to visit the parts of America I missed.
I need a "Green Book" so I don't end up in this type of brothel.
I made Alaska and Hawaii. Never the Dakotas or Montana.
If I end up in a GOQP bar I could end up dead.
God Bless America! Yeah, right!
I support the cause!

AverageOldGuy

(1,523 posts)
36. Someone needs to remind the Gateway Hotel . . .
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:24 PM
Mar 2022

. . . about the Lakota Sioux, a guy named Custer, and the Battle of the Greasy Grass.

malthaussen

(17,184 posts)
54. My immediate thought: to rub their noses in it.
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:26 AM
Mar 2022

Build your piece of trash right on their treaty land, preferably close to or on a sacred site, so every day they can see they are subjugated. Maybe I just think too poorly of my fellow humans.

At any rate, it would seem this time the plan blew up in their face, if that was it.

-- Mal

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