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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:12 AM Mar 2022

Do Trump's loyalties lie more with Russia or with America?

From everything we have seen in the last five or six years, we would have to say his loyalties lie with Russia. At least, with the leader of Russia, Vladimir Putin.

Is there really any doubt anymore?

He has stood with Putin every step of the way in Ukraine. He has done nothing to help Ukraine that was not forced by the Congress. He did nothing on his own.

It is fairly obvious that he has felt little affinity for America for a long time.

Perhaps he looks at himself more as an international businessman? Perhaps he looks at himself at another one of Putin's oligarchs? Perhaps he looks at himself as a businessman without national boundaries? Perhaps the only thing that is important to him is money?

He has shown very clearly that he does not consider himself an American.

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Do Trump's loyalties lie more with Russia or with America? (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2022 OP
With himself treestar Mar 2022 #1
Right answer bottomofthehill Mar 2022 #3
you beat me to it Demovictory9 Mar 2022 #4
Exactly what I was going to write. efhmc Mar 2022 #19
His Loyalties always are to himself. Russia is happy to oblige. America has never been his concern. msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #2
Concurr. Donnie's primary loyalty has been to himself. As for the Vogon_Glory Mar 2022 #11
With himself, however, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #5
So much this...nt Wounded Bear Mar 2022 #8
Trump's Loyalty Is Only to Himself. MineralMan Mar 2022 #6
and Putin, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #12
We went from "former presidents don't trash the sitting one" to one begging Putin for help ck4829 Mar 2022 #7
Russia Botany Mar 2022 #9
It's not so much a matter of loyalty, as a matter of being beholden. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #10
Putin is the puppet master, and Trump the puppet. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #14
I think the question poses a false dichotomy Gore1FL Mar 2022 #13
I believe that the word Putin should have been substituted for Russia in the title. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #16
He's not capable of any sort of loyalty. nt LAS14 Mar 2022 #15
Trump only dwells on two things: world wide wally Mar 2022 #17
Do pigs like mud or grass? ananda Mar 2022 #18

msfiddlestix

(7,278 posts)
2. His Loyalties always are to himself. Russia is happy to oblige. America has never been his concern.
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:16 AM
Mar 2022

Both Impeachment hearings and the trial exposed his proclivities and we have it on record.

His followers do not give a damn about America either.

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
11. Concurr. Donnie's primary loyalty has been to himself. As for the
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:26 AM
Mar 2022

MAGA crowd, the kindest thing I can say is that they are severely delusional. I find it incredible that most of the foam-at-the-mouth, liberal-hating reactionaries are impervious to the mountains of evidence that shows that their avatar has willingly consorted (and is still consorting) with a hostile foreign power against the interests of the USA. I never thought I’d sound like a Bircher or other reactionaries of my youth, but This. Behavior. Is. Treason.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
5. With himself, however,
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:17 AM
Mar 2022

I believe that Putin owns Trump, has dirt on Trump.

Trump worked against the interests of the US by shunning our allies and bolstering our foes. No doubt that in a 2nd term, Trump would have gotten out of NATO.

Trump has no allegiance to the US, but does have allegiance to Putin.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
12. and Putin,
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:39 AM
Mar 2022

when has Trump ever gone against Putin? He even told the world in Helsinki that he believed Putin over his own intelligence agencies.

ck4829

(35,045 posts)
7. We went from "former presidents don't trash the sitting one" to one begging Putin for help
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:18 AM
Mar 2022

This is just embarrassing and Republicans should be embarrassed. This is a disgrace, Trump just took some "dirt" and threw it at the symbols America stands for.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
10. It's not so much a matter of loyalty, as a matter of being beholden.
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:25 AM
Mar 2022

Russia gave him tons of money and has dirt on him. It's really that simple. He doesn't give a shit about anything Putin does, and he doesn't give a shit about America--there's zero internal conflict within him. That's how sociopaths and narcissists operate.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
14. Putin is the puppet master, and Trump the puppet.
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:45 AM
Mar 2022

Trump doesn't give a shit about what Putin does because he can't, he can't cut the strings that Putin is pulling.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
13. I think the question poses a false dichotomy
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:44 AM
Mar 2022

Trump is pro-Trump. Anything else is a matter of convenience or a necessity to achieve putting himself first.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
16. I believe that the word Putin should have been substituted for Russia in the title.
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:48 AM
Mar 2022

Trump is loyal to Putin, not to the US, not to Ivanka, Melania, Jared, only to himself and Putin.

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