These are the last people you want supporting Jan. 6

[Nevilledog]

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Joyce Alene
@JoyceWhiteVance
.⁦@FrankFigliuzzi1: in addition to the 1-6 defendants who are current or former law enforcement/military “the powerful cocktail of conspiracy theories & race-based hate has revealed itself among members of..the U.S. intelligence community”

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Opinion | These are the last people you want supporting Jan. 6
These men and women swear to defend the Constitution. But some may be cheering Jan. 6.
8:28 AM · Apr 2, 2022

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/america-s-intelligence-community-has-pro-jan-6-bias-lurking-n1293694

The disturbing depth to which MAGA-related lunacy has penetrated the institutions responsible for our protection continues to reveal itself. It was already known that at least 13 percent of defendants arrested in the Jan. 6 investigation have current or former law enforcement or military affiliation. Now we’re learning that the powerful cocktail of conspiracy theories and race-based hate has revealed itself among members of some of the U.S. intelligence community’s 18 agencies.

At least 13 percent of defendants arrested in the January 6 investigation have current or former law enforcement or military affiliation.

In a March 11 report in SpyTalk by veteran national security reporter Jeff Stein, he writes about internal intelligence community (IC) chat rooms associated with the classified Intelink system. According to that report, “by late in the third year of the Trump administration the system was afire with incendiary hate-filled commentary, especially on ‘eChirp,’ the intelligence community’s clone of Twitter.”

Stein quotes Dan Gilmore, “a 30-year veteran of Navy and NSA cryptologic systems,” who had written a post on his own website called “Why I Left the Intelligence Community.” Gilmore, an administrator of the eChirp application called the app “a dumpster fire" of hate speech directed at minorities, women, gay people, transgender people and Muslims.

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[empedocles]

1. Good opportunities for these times, - to clean up some of those nasty cultures

[2naSalit]

2. K&R

And so this is why I think Garland is juggling investigations and trying to keep the moles at bay until they can be removed. Some are harder to deal with than others.

[Tommymac]

3. IMHO TFG Moles are a big reason for AG Garland's seemingly slow approach to 1-6 and TFG

He HAS to get it right the first time. It is the ONLY chance we will get.

The rot is deep.

WE have to be patient.

(For a few more months, at the least.)

[LiberalLovinLug]

6. Sure, and I'm still waiting on Obama's AG, Holder, to make his final 5D chess move on BushCo.

[Tommymac]

8. Your point?

Not sure I understand where you are coming from here.

[maxsolomon]

9. Nothing is going to happen. That's the point.

There will be no prosecution for conspiracy. It's all Mueller Time on Fitzmas. IOKIYAR.

It's cynicism, but it has precedent to back it up.

[LiberalLovinLug]

11. I just get tired of the "you just wait...any day now..we don't understand how hard they are working"

Garland may very well be just dotting all his i's and crossing his t's in anticipation of a huge blockbuster charge or charges against Trump, his family members, McCarthy, and the others complicit.

I'm just speaking as a person who has seen a ton of posts started on here as way back as in Bush's term with headlines like "BUSH IS GOING DOWN" "ROVE WILL BE CHARGED" "OBAMA IS PLAYING A 5D CHESS GAME"

Now I see posts about how Trump is going to be charged....just you wait.

We've all heard of a hidden agreement between parties of not going after a previous President. In some ways it makes sense, in that we also don't want Republicans to start to go after Obama, or even Biden once they leave office.

But many of us also know there should be a limit to that agreement. If it starts getting into treasonous behaviour, or dangerously criminal behavour.

But added to that hesitation there seems to be a fear of the backlash that I'm sure Fox News, and other new RW media would be screaming about "cancelling" Trump. And that they'd never recover from it.

I disagree. For one, Even if it raises the hackles of the right and even if they manage to win an election based on their persecution complex, it is more important to establish the wrongdoing in the minds of Americans and also for the history books. Because by ignoring it, that is STILL not a garantee Democrats will win that election. So they could lose, with no record left of how they at least tried to fight for their country, at least made the population aware. And IMO, if Dems did go on full offensive, it would eventfully sink in. And Democrats would come back even stronger.

One case in point, is the first impeachment trial of Trump. It seemed like Democratic leadership had to be dragged into it. Knowing they would probably be outvoted, what's the point? But look how raising the issue of Trump's attempted extortion of Zelensky, by holding those hearings, is now helping Democrats to paint Trump as a Putin appeaser (which he is)

I've just seen this movie before. I will celebrate if what you say comes true. But I have a very very thick skin when it comes to expecting any kind of proper justice for Trump, or any of his children, or high ranking Republicans.

[summer_in_TX]

12. We knew before Obama was sworn in that Bush&Co wouldn't be

prosecuted for war crimes. I didn't like it but felt sure he was less likely to be assassinated in office if he didn't take that on.

But Biden promised not to do that and if the DOJ found evidence for charges, then Trump would be charged. He has proven to be someone who keeps his word to the best of his ability (despite a 50/50 Senate and the 60 vote filibuster rule).

I trust him and therefore I believe we will see prosecutions that will include Trump if they have a solid case. (The Constitution assumes an awful lot about presidents and didn't put it in writing all too often.)

[LiberalLovinLug]

13. Interesting that you presumed already before Obama was sworn in that nothing would happen

Isn't that the point?

That is why, as a poster said previously, there is such cynicism among rank and file Democrats about anything ever being done to achieve justice for the Trump crime family. Burying heads in the sand for....the nation healing?...or because of fear of a backlash.. has been the MO.

So, sorry, but until I see actual charges....serious charges, and serious sentences, I will continue to hold their feet to the fire. And personally I don't see anything wrong with that. Obama told us that WE are the change. WE need to demand it.

[Lonestarblue]

4. How many of these people are Trump hires?

I’m sure Trump tried to infiltrate the intelligence agencies to undermine their work, especially on Russia. As I recall, a high-level intelligence agent who had been embedded in Russia for more than a decade had to be called home early because Trump learned his name and it was feared that he would leak the name to Putin, thus causing the US to lose am important asset in Russia. Most likeoy, all Trump hires for the intelligence agencies are suspect.

Every person hired for any position within the federal government should have been scrutinized already for loyalty to Trump versus the country and fired if found to be nothing more than Trump sycophants. I remember Trump tried to get a number of jobs reclassified as civil service jobs so his people could not later be fired. I don’t know how successful he was, but even if some of his hires can’t be fired they can be moved to positions where they can’t do much damage.

[Jakes Progress]

5. Number 2 in Five Rules of Stupidity

"The probability that a certain person is stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person."

Just because they have degrees, or important jobs, or badges of authority does not mean that they are not stupid. Cipolla's rules have a clear definition of stupid people.

I find these rules explain almost everything that I cannot understand about people.

[Joinfortmill]

7. Wow, talk about not being awake on the watch.

[liberalla]

10. bookmarking... K&R