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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWas the war in Bosnia this televised? Did it have this much world wide interest & acknowlegement?
I don't remember, I just remember Clinton making sure there was some airpower and the good guys won.
thx in advance
No, the Internet was in its infancy, and photo journalists were very few outside of big cities like Sarajevo.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... is gob smacking.
Maybe the internet is making a positive difference on that front, I thought it would solve wars of aggression by not allowing the Putrids to convince his people that wars of agression were OK
enneacanthus
(51 posts)Celerity
(43,553 posts)The UCLA professor Leonard Kleinrock and his student Charley Kline sent the first message to Bill Duval at Stanford University. Kline wanted to send the message containing the word "login", but the system crashed after he entered the letter "o", meaning that the first ever internet message was - "lo".
However, they still managed to send the message "login" an hour after the first message.
While the first message was quite a feat in 1969, today's messages have changed significantly, we often reduce our communications to the exchange of GIFs or emojis.
Brother Buzz
(36,469 posts)Celerity
(43,553 posts)elleng
(131,159 posts)See also: War in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Dayton Agreement
General Wesley Clark began planning work for responses to the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina upon his appointment in 1994 as the Director, Strategic Plans and Policy (J5) on the JCS staff. While collecting information to outline military options for resolving the conflict, Clark met with Bosnian Serb military leaders including Ratko Mladić, who was later accused of war crimes and genocide. Clark was photographed exchanging hats with Mladić, and the photo drew controversy in the United States. A Washington Post story was published claiming Clark had made the visit despite a warning from the U.S. ambassador.[48] Some Clinton administration members privately said the incident was "like cavorting with Hermann Göring".[49] Clark listed the visit in the itinerary he submitted to the ambassador, but he learned only afterwards that it was not approved. He said there had been no warning and no one had told him to cancel the visit, although two Congressmen called for his dismissal regardless. Clark later said he regretted the exchange,[50] and the issue was ultimately resolved as President Clinton sent a letter defending Clark to the Congress and the controversy subsided.[51] Clark said it was his "first experience in the rough and tumble of high visibility ... and a painful few days".[52] Conservative pundit Robert Novak later referred to the hat exchange in a column during Clark's 2004 presidential campaign, citing it as a "problem" with Clark as a candidate.[53]
Clark was sent to Bosnia by Secretary of Defense William Perry to serve as the military member to a diplomatic negotiating team headed by assistant Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke. Holbrooke later described Clark's position as "complicated" because it presented him with future possibilities but "might put him into career-endangering conflicts with more senior officers".[54] While the team was driving along a mountain road during the first week, the road gave way, and one of the vehicles fell over a cliff carrying passengers including Holbrooke's deputy, Robert Frasure, a deputy assistant Secretary of Defense, Joseph Kruzel, and Air Force Colonel Nelson Drew. Following funeral services in Washington, D.C., the negotiations continued and the team eventually reached the Dayton Agreement at the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, and later signed it in Paris on December 14, 1995.[55]
Clark returned to the European theater and the Balkans following his USSOUTHCOM position when he was appointed to U.S. European Command in the summer of 1997 by President Clinton. He was, as with SOUTHCOM, not the original nominee for the position. The Army had already selected another general for the post. Because President Clinton and General Shalikashvili believed Clark was the best man for the post, he eventually received the nomination. Shalikashvili noted he "had a very strong role in [Clark's] last two jobs".[56] Clark noted during his confirmation hClark noted during his confirmation hearing before the Senate Armed Services committee of the 105th Congress that he believed NATO had shifted since the end of the Cold War from protecting Europe from the Soviet Union to working towards more general stability in the region. Clark also addressed issues related to his then-current command of USSOUTHCOM, such as support for the School of the Americas and his belief that the United States must continue aid to some South American nations to effectively fight the War on Drugs.[50] Clark was quickly confirmed by a voice vote the same day as his confirmation hearing,[57] giving him the command of 109,000 American troops, their 150,000 family members, 50,000 civilians aiding the military, and all American military activities in 89 countries and territories of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East.[58] The position made Clark the Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR), which granted him overall command of NATO military forces in Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Sympthsical
(9,121 posts)We used to get this thing in school called Channel One, which was basically like a 10 minute news show for tweeners they showed first thing in the morning.
For whatever reason, Anderson Cooper was in Sarajevo reporting on the war for the program. So we were all at least vaguely aware of it.
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)Takket
(21,635 posts)but that was before the 24-hour infotainment networks really took hold too.
brooklynite
(94,748 posts)Sympthsical
(9,121 posts)I was still pretty young at the time, but I think the OJ Simpson trial is where the media's collective mental break happened in earnest. Before, I remember the news being Serious Adult Stuff. After, just crazy people on tv all the time. Mix in the internet and the Lewinsky scandal, and the media were truly off to the races.
Simpson to Lewinsky was only separated by a little over two years.
CNN used to be Serious News.
Not it's just . . . lol. Just lol.
BumRushDaShow
(129,569 posts)Before OJ and the mid-90s "slow speed chase" and "trial" (1994) and then later, the Lewinsky nonsense (1998), this event happened 35 years ago this year, and CNN actually found it's original "niche" for using its 24 hour format -
Oct. 1987 ("Baby Jessica" ) -
and then 30 years ago last year (again before "OJ" and "Lewinsky" ) -
Jan. 1991 (Operation Desert Storm) -
Mar. 1991 (Rodney King beating - the CNN video has a required "sign in" so am showing the original KTLA) -
Apr. 1992 (L.A. riots after acquittal of officers who beat Rodney King) -
What I do miss (although they sortof brought it back under an abbreviated name) was CNN Headline News (now renamed "HLN", although not long ago, the HLN station was doing soft lifestyle stuff but had gradually gone back to "news" but by then, I pretty much gave up on it).
questionseverything
(9,661 posts)I always thought cnn hired him so he wouldnt report , just do fluff instead
Sympthsical
(9,121 posts)Later in childhood - still the 90s - I'd be up all night during summer break playing video games, and I'd have ABC on for some reason. I don't know if it's still on, but back then it was this quirky little news show at like 1-4am where Cooper, Thalia Asuras, and others would banter a bunch between news stories, then they ended it with a guy playing a polka on an accordion.
The late 90s were a wild time for him.
Edit:
What was this?! LOL.
Solly Mack
(90,788 posts)magazine articles in news publications.
Nothing like now at all.
You had to want to know about it to keep up with it.
brooklynite
(94,748 posts)KWR65
(1,098 posts)during that war.
tirebiter
(2,539 posts)With break time on Night Line w Ted Koppel.
electric_blue68
(14,953 posts)it was horrible. 😔
Deminpenn
(15,290 posts)especially because of the genocide that was occurring.
JustAnotherGen
(31,917 posts)Neither did Rwanda
highplainsdem
(49,041 posts)since the Ukrainians are brilliant at using social media.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:25 AM - Edit history (1)
I am trying to find some, I found these documentaries. I remember some of the coverage but not specifics right now, but it was covered, I cant remember on what level now.
More than I recalled but this and the other videos brought it back to memory
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,286 posts)as i recall it was definitely broadcast and I was totally blown away, shocked and deeply saddened.
But internet begun becoming a thing in most everyone's day to day news consumption, I vaguely recall the trials following the horrors of that war, and a whole lot of conflict among peeps I associated with as regards Croatia and Serbia, in terms of who the bad guys actually were.
I feel like I remain as ignorant and confused by it all at the end of the "conflict" except the part of the "man's inhumanity to man" on a massive scale. Those reports, of the brutal rapes and slaughter are deeply ingrained in memory.
At the time, I was involved in International Folk Dance and Music. Played and danced Serbian and Croatian along with other Balkan and Eastern European traditional music.
It was a very very sad time.