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brooklynite

(94,748 posts)
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 08:22 AM Apr 2022

John Fetterman skipped the first Pa. Senate debate. His rivals made it all about him anyway.

Philadelphia Inquirer

In 90 minutes of jabs and jokes, both men — especially Lamb — argued that Fetterman’s decision to skip the debate was an insult to voters and a red flag for his candidacy in a critical Senate contest.

“He didn’t respect you enough to show up today,” Lamb told a crowd of about 175 people at Muhlenberg College.

And Lamb immediately brought up a 2013 incident that has loomed over Fetterman’s campaign, in which Fetterman pulled a shotgun on a Black jogger who he had wrongly suspected of a shooting.

“It was wrong when he did that,” Lamb said in his opening remarks, after telegraphing the attack in the days before. “And he skipped the debate today because he doesn’t think he has to answer. Given everything that’s gone on in this country, that is fatal to his campaign. You deserve a senator that you can trust to show up and not to act like a loose cannon.”
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John Fetterman skipped the first Pa. Senate debate. His rivals made it all about him anyway. (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2022 OP
Debating is a senator's whole job. If he doesn't want to debate he should look for another position Walleye Apr 2022 #1
Actions speak louder than words. gab13by13 Apr 2022 #3
Sounds like Lamb could be another Sinema Doc Sportello Apr 2022 #5
Specify a particular policy you disagree with him on. brooklynite Apr 2022 #8
I will follow your command Doc Sportello Apr 2022 #10
So the answer is you can't actually point to something you disagree with. brooklynite Apr 2022 #12
No the answer is I don't take orders from you Doc Sportello Apr 2022 #13
"Specify a particular policy you disagree with him on." brooklynite Apr 2022 #14
Conor Lamb twice voted against Nancy Pelosi to be Speaker gab13by13 Apr 2022 #17
Meanwhile, Fetterman told me he won't ban fracking. brooklynite Apr 2022 #19
Fracking, as distasteful as it is, Deminpenn Apr 2022 #32
That is not completely true. He said in the short term. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #53
You were at my private meeting with him? brooklynite Apr 2022 #61
I don't recall saying that...I lived in PA...for years...and am sick of candidate who can't win... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #64
Here's a definition Doc Sportello Apr 2022 #22
Demand and ye shall receive. blue neen Apr 2022 #25
more (and documentation) Celerity Apr 2022 #48
I am impressed...this is a wonderful post and should be an OP...excellent research. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #54
He voted in favor of Trump's tax cuts... this is an actual vote. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #52
I'm not against Fetterman I actually like him I don't understand boycotting a debate however Walleye Apr 2022 #6
He didn't boycott it...he signed up for national debates...this was a small debate local debate. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #55
I'm not insulted. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2022 #2
Out of staters do not understand gab13by13 Apr 2022 #4
Just try to make sure we don't get another Pat Toomey in the Senate Walleye Apr 2022 #7
With no disrespect you evidently no nothing of Fetterman. Butterflylady Apr 2022 #20
Actually, Lamb is most likely to be a 'Sinema'. he considers himself a maverick and has Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #49
IMHO...if we elect Connor Lamb (who is of course better than any GOP) we are likely to Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #50
Well I don't get a vote but like I said I like Fetterman, but we desperately need to hold the Senate Walleye Apr 2022 #51
I may be an "out of Stater" but I learned the political trade on the streets of Philadelphia. brooklynite Apr 2022 #11
Important point. Dems desperately need that Senate seat. empedocles Apr 2022 #16
Well with. Lamb we will lose. Butterflylady Apr 2022 #21
If you only ever lived in Philadelphia, Deminpenn Apr 2022 #18
You would be wrong...this is PA. Clearly, you don't know the state well. He does appeal to Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #42
Exactly Sugarcoated Apr 2022 #23
I lived in PA and love Fetterman too...he is the real deal...a progressive who can appeal to Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #56
Hmmm, Fetterman looks like he's going to win. Tearing him down now builds him up uponit7771 Apr 2022 #9
Fetterman is a real Democrat. Kid Berwyn Apr 2022 #31
Me too. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #39
He is doing 3 wider primetime TV debates and never scheduled the Muhlenberg one. TheBlackAdder Apr 2022 #15
Makes those two look silly Sugarcoated Apr 2022 #24
I think it makes Lamb look bad. He clearly doesn't care if he damages a Fetterman candidacy... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #38
You do know that Malcome is predicting that the GOP will use the shotgun incident in the general LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #46
That is hillarious...well given the source it won't work. Irony is dead. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #57
I have seen how GOP negative attack ads work in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #59
That sort of an attack won't work in a general...maybe a primary...but Lamb is doing it now and it Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #60
Again I believe strongly that you are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #62
Makes more sense why Fetterman did not attend peggysue2 Apr 2022 #26
"And Lamb immediately brought up a 2013 incident" Polybius Apr 2022 #27
And point out that, every once in awhile, Lamb should... W_HAMILTON Apr 2022 #28
Lamb will be sorry he took this road. I believe it will effect his pollical ambitions going forward. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #36
Time will tell LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #44
True that. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #58
he probably will tell Lamb that...and that is all he has got...his voting record is not great and he Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #37
I have never seen this argument make a difference ibegurpard Apr 2022 #29
I don't know much about Fetterman, but at first blush he seems like Pennsylvania's... SKKY Apr 2022 #30
No, Fetterman's not kooky Deminpenn Apr 2022 #33
No, he is a great candidate for PA ...appeals to the working guy, particularly good with unions Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #35
Time will tell LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #47
He debated on March 20th...and I doubt very seriously it will hurt his candidacy... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #34
Let's put LtGov's primary vote totals to bed, shall we? Deminpenn Apr 2022 #40
oh sure lets have an unctuous candidate nt msongs Apr 2022 #41
Here are some interesting clips from the debate LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #43
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2022 #45
It's not "fatal to his campaign" budkin Apr 2022 #63

gab13by13

(21,412 posts)
3. Actions speak louder than words.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:05 AM
Apr 2022

Insinuating that Fetterman is a racist because of an incident back in 2013 is laughable. Fetterman was reelected mayor of Braddock twice since the incident. Braddock is 70% black, a struggling former steel mill town that Fetterman took upon himself to revitalize.

Maybe Lamb should answer why he voted against having Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House, not once, but twice? IN Lamb's early days in office he voted 68% of the time for Trump proposals, since he announced his run for Senate he has shifted his voting to 92% pro Democratic, hmm, makes one wonder, which is the real Lamb?

Here is the tell for me in the Fetterman/Lamb race; Fetterman is raising money from small donors, Lamb is raising money from large donors, Fetterman is kicking Lamb's butt in raising money, why is that?

I am from Pa. and people who are supporting Lamb here are not, which is fine, but being from Pa. I know this, John Fetterman is getting voters enthused, he is extremely popular in Pa. Wife and I can't wait to vote for him.

Waiting for a thread here from a Pa. resident that bashes Fetterman, he is pretty popular with Pennsylvanians. It's going to take a very moderate Pennsylvanian I reckon.

The DSCC made a mistake backing the moderate McGinty, poured a half million dollars into her campaign and lost to Pat Toomey, it's time we tried a progressive candidate.

Doc Sportello

(7,531 posts)
5. Sounds like Lamb could be another Sinema
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:09 AM
Apr 2022

Acts like a more liberal Democrat to get elected, then votes the way big money wants.

brooklynite

(94,748 posts)
12. So the answer is you can't actually point to something you disagree with.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:23 AM
Apr 2022

I'll also note that Malcolm Kenyatta was equally critical of Fetterman's behavior.

Doc Sportello

(7,531 posts)
13. No the answer is I don't take orders from you
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:26 AM
Apr 2022

Since you're not able to engage in a respectful, civil manner, you don't deserve a response. Got it?

gab13by13

(21,412 posts)
17. Conor Lamb twice voted against Nancy Pelosi to be Speaker
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:39 AM
Apr 2022

In 2018, Lamb was one of 13 Democrats to vote for an amendment repealing an Obama-era clean water regulation known as Waters of the United States, and one of seven to oppose an amendment that would reduce fossil fuel research and development funds. He voted twice for GOP resolutions against implementing carbon taxes.

Conor Lamb's major contributors come from the fossil fuel industry.

Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
32. Fracking, as distasteful as it is,
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 01:04 PM
Apr 2022

has created good-paying jobs with benefits, something that's been missing for many years, in western and SW Pa. No surprise Fetterman isn't for banning it.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
64. I don't recall saying that...I lived in PA...for years...and am sick of candidate who can't win...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 07:06 PM
Apr 2022

I think Fettermand can win and is a progressive as well...win-win IMHO...but we can agree to disagree. I truly don't care about a meeting anyway.

Doc Sportello

(7,531 posts)
22. Here's a definition
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:52 AM
Apr 2022

Command (when used as a verb): to give an authoritative order.

It's disrespectful to give orders to someone whom you have no authority over. You can think of yourself as having an authoritative position over posters all you want, but I don't share that view. I hope that helps you to understand something that honestly isn't that difficult to understand.

blue neen

(12,328 posts)
25. Demand and ye shall receive.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 11:20 AM
Apr 2022

"Today, the U.S. House passed a bill that would decriminalize marijuana on a federal level, as well as provide a pathway to erase nonviolent federal marijuana convictions. The Marijuana Opportunity Reinvestment and Expungement Act, or MORE Act, is a historic achievement, but is unlikely to be taken up in the Republican controlled U.S. Senate."

"The bill passed largely on partisan lines with Democrats in support and Republicans in opposition. Only six Democrats opposed the MORE Act, and one of them was Pittsburgh-area politician U.S. Rep. Conor Lamb (D-Mt. Lebanon)."

"Lamb says that while he voted against the bill, he supports decriminalizing marijuana, but criticized the MORE Act as a “small, non-serious bill that wasn’t done the right way and will never be signed into law, regardless of who is President.”"


"“And everyone knows that,” continued Lamb in a statement. “This was an opportunity for people to say they voted to ‘legalize marijuana’ without doing any of the work to actually accomplish that.”"

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/rep-conor-lamb-votes-against-more-act-a-bill-to-decriminalize-marijuana-federally/Content?oid=18495240

Celerity

(43,551 posts)
48. more (and documentation)
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:00 PM
Apr 2022

Lamb voted to make the Trump tax cuts perm, voted to weaken Dodd Frank, twice voted against Pelosi for Speaker, and voted almost 70% of the time with Trump in the 115th Congress (2nd highest Dem in Congress).

The man involved in the gun incident said he wants Fetterman to win the Senate race.

Lamb, since last summer, has never been above 16% in any polls I have seen, and was a 10% in the latest one, a few days ago.

Lamb and two Dems now in the Senate, Sinema and Rosen, where the only 3 House Dems (all 3 were in the extremely problematic anti Pelosi, Lieberman-run (via its No Labels RW billionaire-founded/backed parent org) bi-partisan Problems Solvers Caucus at the time as well) to vote to make the Trump individual tax cuts perm.

So it is not hard to see why he doesn't engender a lot of trust in terms of fear he possibly becomes another Manchin or Sinema.



U.S. Reps. Conor Lamb and Keith Rothfus vote to extend GOP tax cuts for individuals

The proposed 'Tax Reform 2.0' would overwhelmingly benefit wealthy individuals and add trillions to the national debt.

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/us-reps-conor-lamb-and-keith-rothfus-vote-to-extend-gop-tax-cuts-for-individuals/Content?oid=11083357

When Republicans in Congress passed a massive tax-cut bill in 2017, it drew widespread criticism, particularly the fact that the tax cuts were permanent for corporations, but temporary for individuals.

Now with the passage of H.R. 6760, aka "Tax Reform 2.0," those temporary cuts for individuals are one step closer to becoming permanent. In addition to extending the reduced individual tax rates past 2025, the proposal would also double the Child Tax Credit and restore cuts to estate-tax filings of about 5,000 of the richest American families.

And two local representatives, U.S. Rep. Conor Lamb (D-Mount Lebanon) and Keith Rothfus (R-Sewickley), backed the bill. It passed 220-191. Lamb was one of only three Democrats to back the bill.


https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll414.xml








Conor Lamb upholds promise not to vote Nancy Pelosi as speaker (2019)

https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/rep-conor-lamb-doesnt-vote-pelosi-for-speaker/

Democratic Congressman Conor Lamb kept a campaign promise Thursday by not voting for Nancy Pelosi for speaker of the House. Even without Lamb’s vote, Pelosi secured enough support to reclaim the speaker gavel.

Lamb, who won his first full term in Congress in November by beating Keith Rothfus in the new 17th Congressional District, had said throughout his campaigns that he would not vote for the longtime California Democrat.



Lamb Votes Against Pelosi for Speaker (2021)

https://www.politicspa.com/lamb-votes-against-pelosi-for-speaker/96985/

For the second session in a row, Rep. Conor Lamb voted someone other than Nancy Pelosi for House Speaker.

He was the only member of the Pennsylvania congressional delegation not to support their respective party’s candidate for Speaker.

Instead Lamb (D-Allegheny) voted for Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY), a colleague seen as having a bright future in House leadership. In 2019, Lamb voted for former Rep. Patrick Kennedy III. In both cases, he was one of just a handful of Pelosi defectors.

His vote was watched closely thanks to a signature campaign promise during his 2018 special election bid. He ran ads touting his opposition to Pelosi throughout the campaign.




Man John Fetterman confronted with a shotgun says that should not stymie his Senate bid

https://archive.ph/dd339 (no paywall blockage)

CHRIS BRENNAN
Philadelphia Inquirer / / STAFF WRITER


A man confronted in 2013 by a shotgun-wielding John Fetterman — then mayor of Braddock, now lieutenant governor and running for the U.S. Senate — claims Mr. Fetterman has "lied about everything" that happened that day.

But Christopher Miyares, writing from a state prison in Somerset County, also told The Inquirer that incident should not stop Mr. Fetterman from becoming a senator.

"Even with everything I said, it is inhumane to believe one mistake should define a man's life," Miyares wrote in one of two letters sent to The Inquirer. "I hope he gets to be a Senator." (That last line was underlined three times.)

snip

“Telling the truth on an incident 10 years ago could cause him more harm than good,” Miyares wrote. “Mr. Fetterman and his family have done far more good than that one bad act or action and, as such, should not be defined by it.”

He signed that letter: “Gooo Fetterman.”





https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/house/







Both U.S. Reps Conor Lamb and Keith Rothfus voted to weaken a Wall Street regulation

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/rep-conor-lamb-votes-against-more-act-a-bill-to-decriminalize-marijuana-federally/Content?oid=18495240

Lamb and U.S. Rep. Keith Rothfus (R-Sewickley) will square off in November. The candidates differ on many topics, including starkly different views on organized labor and the government’s role in providing health care.

But in one area, they appear to be on the same page. On April 13, both Lamb and Rothfus voted to alter the Volcker Rule in the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act. This rule was established after the financial crisis of 2008, and prohibits banks from making risky investments with customers’ money.

The bill that cleared the U.S. House, the Volcker Rule Regulation Harmonization Act, would exempt banks with less than $10 billion in assets from the Volcker Rule. The bill passed by a vote of 300-104, and still needs to go through the U.S. Senate and be signed by President Donald Trump before it becomes law.

The rule’s namesake, Paul Volcker, criticized a similar bill in the U.S. Senate, and told the Washington Post in March that “plausibly small loopholes can be ‘gamed’ and exploited with unfortunate consequences,” if the rule change were to become law.






https://www.americanprogress.org/article/hollowing-volcker-rule/

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
54. I am impressed...this is a wonderful post and should be an OP...excellent research.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:45 PM
Apr 2022

We don't want another Manchin and Sinema...yeah we want to keep them both...but we don't need another one!

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
52. He voted in favor of Trump's tax cuts... this is an actual vote.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:32 PM
Apr 2022

U.S. Reps. Conor Lamb and Keith Rothfus vote to extend GOP tax cuts for individuals
The proposed 'Tax Reform 2.0' would overwhelmingly benefit wealthy individuals and add trillions to the national debt.

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/us-reps-conor-lamb-and-keith-rothfus-vote-to-extend-gop-tax-cuts-for-individuals/Content?oid=11083357

Walleye

(31,062 posts)
6. I'm not against Fetterman I actually like him I don't understand boycotting a debate however
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:12 AM
Apr 2022

Being from a neighboring state I get the Philadelphia stations. So I’ve seen some of his exposure. I like what he has to say. Don’t care for Conor Lamb all that much. I don’t get a vote however PA residents should decide it

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
55. He didn't boycott it...he signed up for national debates...this was a small debate local debate.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:47 PM
Apr 2022

I can see why he didn't bother

gab13by13

(21,412 posts)
4. Out of staters do not understand
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:07 AM
Apr 2022

how popular Fetterman is. Wife and I can't wait to vote for Big John.

Don't you get sick of the argument that Democrats have to run moderates to win? How about trying something different like running the best candidate?

Walleye

(31,062 posts)
7. Just try to make sure we don't get another Pat Toomey in the Senate
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:14 AM
Apr 2022

But we don’t need another Kristen Sinema either

Butterflylady

(3,549 posts)
20. With no disrespect you evidently no nothing of Fetterman.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:47 AM
Apr 2022

He is no toomey or sinema, he is more like Franken. Can't wait to vote for him.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
49. Actually, Lamb is most likely to be a 'Sinema'. he considers himself a maverick and has
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:23 PM
Apr 2022

voted with the GOP many times...he also only one his last race by 2%. I question whether he could win a general.

"Rep. Conor Lamb is usually described in a way that alludes to his centrist chops — moderate, Blue Dog and, my favorite, “a fine young normal white fellow.” He loves to live up to these descriptors, often making a scene out of his pragmatism and willingness to break with party orthodoxy. I mean, the guy “still loves to shoot,” like any ordinary red-blooded American.

His brief tenure in the House of Representatives representing Pennsylvania’s 17th Congressional District has yielded indefensible votes — real gems such as voting to fund a border wall, prevent families with an undocumented parent from receiving stimulus checks and oppose marijuana decriminalization.

his gets even more worrisome given context and weight of the Pennsylvania Senate race. The chamber is currently split 50-50 between Democrats and Republicans, with Vice President Kamala Harris acting as the tiebreaker in the event of party line vote with no abstentions, a role she has already fulfilled eight times.

We’re still a long way off from the primary, but Democrats expanding their margin via Pennsylvania is a very plausible scenario. Given Lamb’s record of breaking with his own party, we need to look elsewhere for Toomey’s successor. We’ve seen the damage that Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema have done, and Lamb appears to be cut from a similar cloth. An expanded Senate margin is worth a whole lot less if it’s thanks to another moderate wannabe power broker that gets skittish around progress."

https://pittnews.com/article/166601/opinions/opinion-conor-lamb-cant-be-trusted-as-pas-next-senator/

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
50. IMHO...if we elect Connor Lamb (who is of course better than any GOP) we are likely to
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:25 PM
Apr 2022

get a Senator quite similar to Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema. While we need both...I do not believe we want another Senator like them.

Walleye

(31,062 posts)
51. Well I don't get a vote but like I said I like Fetterman, but we desperately need to hold the Senate
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:28 PM
Apr 2022

And I am certainly not enthusiastic about Conor Lamb.

brooklynite

(94,748 posts)
11. I may be an "out of Stater" but I learned the political trade on the streets of Philadelphia.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:22 AM
Apr 2022

One of the lessons I learned is never to confuse my own biases and beliefs with those of other voters.

I keep hearing how popular he is Statewide because he won a race for Lt. Governor -- largely on the back of incumbent Governor Tom Wolf. I've seen nothing to suggest that, in a race for Federal Office, h's "talk tough" style will appeal to moderate independents and Republicans...the kind of people who vote for Democrat Bob Casey, and helped elect Pat Toomey, Rick Santorum, John Heinz, Harris Wofford, Arlen Specter.....

Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
18. If you only ever lived in Philadelphia,
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:41 AM
Apr 2022

you've missed a big part of the state's electorate. Take it from someone who was born, raised and returned to western PA, spent more than three decades living and working in Philadelphia and went to four years of college in central Pennsylvania.

Honestly, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
42. You would be wrong...this is PA. Clearly, you don't know the state well. He does appeal to
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 01:38 PM
Apr 2022

independents...and all the candidates (mostly Lamb) of which you seem to think can win...the same type have lost election after election. Why do you suppose Fetterman is 20 points higher? People are enthusiastic about Fetterman and they won't be about Lamb IMHO. I lived in PA for years and live right next door in nearby Ohio...I usually work elections in both even though I vote in Ohio...to help out.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
56. I lived in PA and love Fetterman too...he is the real deal...a progressive who can appeal to
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:49 PM
Apr 2022

working people and union people. I am now in Ohio and will work the primary on his behalf...I could walk to PA...and this is an important seat.

TheBlackAdder

(28,222 posts)
15. He is doing 3 wider primetime TV debates and never scheduled the Muhlenberg one.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 09:27 AM
Apr 2022

.

From that same article:

Fetterman has committed to three televised debates in late April and early May. He said he chose to participate in those debates because they’ll have wider reach. Sunday’s was broadcast on the Pennsylvania Cable Network, while the other debates are set for primetime airing on network TV.



This empty podium look has to end.



.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
38. I think it makes Lamb look bad. He clearly doesn't care if he damages a Fetterman candidacy...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 01:20 PM
Apr 2022

all the more reason to not vote for Lamb in any primary-now or in the future.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
57. That is hillarious...well given the source it won't work. Irony is dead.
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 03:52 PM
Apr 2022

The GOP already know Fetterman is the candidate that can win...already they begin their smears but Big John can handle them.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,624 posts)
59. I have seen how GOP negative attack ads work in the real world
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 04:59 PM
Apr 2022

I saw "defund the police" ads used against one congressional candidate and two state house candidates in 2020. I knew that none of these candidates believe in the ignorant concept of "defunding the police" but these ads were effective. The comments from this debate are far stronger than the ads used in 2020.

It would be very easy to use the clear facts of the shotgun incident in an attack ad that would depress African American turnout.

You are welcome to believe that such ads would not be effective. I have simply seen firsthand how effective dirty ads can be.

If Fetterman is such a strong candidate, why is no one endorsing him? I am curious

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
60. That sort of an attack won't work in a general...maybe a primary...but Lamb is doing it now and it
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 05:04 PM
Apr 2022

is not working...the sort who will care about this are not going to listen to GOP Bs'ers

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,624 posts)
62. Again I believe strongly that you are wrong
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 06:33 PM
Apr 2022

The purpose of attack ad is too reduce turnout. In the real world, the shotgun incident would be a very effective GOP attack ad The GOP ad here would be more effective than the “defund the police” ads in that this ad would be true. None of the Texas candidates I know were stupid enough to support the ignorant defund the police position. Here the facts are clear as to the shotgun incident.

It will be interesting to see how this race turn out. I have looked at the past election history and I am not impressed with Fetterman. There is a chance that the two Justice Democrat will split the.vote so that Lamb does well.

Time will tell

peggysue2

(10,842 posts)
26. Makes more sense why Fetterman did not attend
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 11:40 AM
Apr 2022

He never agreed to this debate. Shocker! The attendance was about 175? Not exactly a major event.

So, all this bellyaching from Lamb is a non-event and/or a warmup or rehearsal before the major debates.

Fetterman has addressed the 2013 incident though I agree he'll need to do this again and again until voters and the press are satisfied. Because Republicans will turn this single incident into an entire campaign against Fetterman's candidacy along with his progressive positions which really aren't that radical. In fact, he's been described as a 'moderate' progressive with his stance on fracking (he supports it in the short-term) and his criticism of those pushing false narratives about how long it will take us to switch to green energy.

If Conor Lamb is going for the jugular, the GOP will go for the heart and lungs.

This is Fetterman's primary to lose. He has a substantial lead and a large war chest.

I'll vote for either candidate in the GE but I'll be surprised, frankly, if Fetterman doesn't win the primary by a mile.

Then, it's off to the November races.

Polybius

(15,497 posts)
27. "And Lamb immediately brought up a 2013 incident"
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 12:25 PM
Apr 2022

Of course he did, because that's all he's got. Fetterman should tell Lamb that he looks like a Republican.

W_HAMILTON

(7,873 posts)
28. And point out that, every once in awhile, Lamb should...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 12:32 PM
Apr 2022

...try attacking Republicans with as much fervor as he apparently has for attacking fellow Democrats.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
37. he probably will tell Lamb that...and that is all he has got...his voting record is not great and he
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 01:16 PM
Apr 2022

won a tight election. Hey I would vote for Lamb in general if I could (I live in Ohio) but not in a primary.

SKKY

(11,824 posts)
30. I don't know much about Fetterman, but at first blush he seems like Pennsylvania's...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 12:44 PM
Apr 2022

...answer to Alan Grayson. Is that a fair assessment?

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
35. No, he is a great candidate for PA ...appeals to the working guy, particularly good with unions
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 01:12 PM
Apr 2022

like the UAW and can actually win PA, unlike all the previous party-supported candidates. He is progressive and the real deal. He is a great guy.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
34. He debated on March 20th...and I doubt very seriously it will hurt his candidacy...
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 01:09 PM
Apr 2022

the PA party faithful all rallied behind Lamb before as you may remember and yet he is down 20+ points

Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
40. Let's put LtGov's primary vote totals to bed, shall we?
Mon Apr 4, 2022, 01:33 PM
Apr 2022

Here are the actual results from the 2018 PA general primary.
https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/Home/SummaryResults?ElectionID=63&ElectionType=P&IsActive=0

The field was a good one including the incumbent Lt Gov Mike Stack, who was pretty badly damaged by a scandal. The main candidates in addtion to Stack, were Fetterman, Nina Ahmed and Kathy Cozzone. Fetterman and Ahmed are both progressives, Cozzone was the centrist in the race.

It's easy to see Fetterman's name recognition and strength in the "red" areas of the state. He generally ran away with the vote. Ahmed, though, also got significant support in the more conservative counties to go along with her base in SE Pa. If you consider Fetterman and Ahmed's votes as one for progressive or liberal Dem policies, then those policies got over half of the primary vote.

If you would like to compare the Lamb name, his uncle Michael Lamb, the current controller in the City of Pgh, ran for Auditor General and pulled 27% in the 2020 primary. He lost to Nina Ahmed, who got 36% of the vote in a six person field. In fact, Scott Conklin was preferred over Lamb in central and northern PA.
Showed the Lamb name recognition mostly was limited to the Ohio border counties, Allegheny and Westmoreland.

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