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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJohn Fetterman skipped the first Pa. Senate debate. His rivals made it all about him anyway.
Philadelphia InquirerHe didnt respect you enough to show up today, Lamb told a crowd of about 175 people at Muhlenberg College.
And Lamb immediately brought up a 2013 incident that has loomed over Fettermans campaign, in which Fetterman pulled a shotgun on a Black jogger who he had wrongly suspected of a shooting.
It was wrong when he did that, Lamb said in his opening remarks, after telegraphing the attack in the days before. And he skipped the debate today because he doesnt think he has to answer. Given everything thats gone on in this country, that is fatal to his campaign. You deserve a senator that you can trust to show up and not to act like a loose cannon.
Walleye
(31,062 posts)gab13by13
(21,412 posts)Insinuating that Fetterman is a racist because of an incident back in 2013 is laughable. Fetterman was reelected mayor of Braddock twice since the incident. Braddock is 70% black, a struggling former steel mill town that Fetterman took upon himself to revitalize.
Maybe Lamb should answer why he voted against having Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House, not once, but twice? IN Lamb's early days in office he voted 68% of the time for Trump proposals, since he announced his run for Senate he has shifted his voting to 92% pro Democratic, hmm, makes one wonder, which is the real Lamb?
Here is the tell for me in the Fetterman/Lamb race; Fetterman is raising money from small donors, Lamb is raising money from large donors, Fetterman is kicking Lamb's butt in raising money, why is that?
I am from Pa. and people who are supporting Lamb here are not, which is fine, but being from Pa. I know this, John Fetterman is getting voters enthused, he is extremely popular in Pa. Wife and I can't wait to vote for him.
Waiting for a thread here from a Pa. resident that bashes Fetterman, he is pretty popular with Pennsylvanians. It's going to take a very moderate Pennsylvanian I reckon.
The DSCC made a mistake backing the moderate McGinty, poured a half million dollars into her campaign and lost to Pat Toomey, it's time we tried a progressive candidate.
Doc Sportello
(7,531 posts)Acts like a more liberal Democrat to get elected, then votes the way big money wants.
brooklynite
(94,748 posts)Doc Sportello
(7,531 posts)Uhh, like NEVER.
brooklynite
(94,748 posts)I'll also note that Malcolm Kenyatta was equally critical of Fetterman's behavior.
Doc Sportello
(7,531 posts)Since you're not able to engage in a respectful, civil manner, you don't deserve a response. Got it?
brooklynite
(94,748 posts)How was that disrespectful?
gab13by13
(21,412 posts)In 2018, Lamb was one of 13 Democrats to vote for an amendment repealing an Obama-era clean water regulation known as Waters of the United States, and one of seven to oppose an amendment that would reduce fossil fuel research and development funds. He voted twice for GOP resolutions against implementing carbon taxes.
Conor Lamb's major contributors come from the fossil fuel industry.
brooklynite
(94,748 posts)Political purity is hard to come by.
Deminpenn
(15,290 posts)has created good-paying jobs with benefits, something that's been missing for many years, in western and SW Pa. No surprise Fetterman isn't for banning it.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)brooklynite
(94,748 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)I think Fettermand can win and is a progressive as well...win-win IMHO...but we can agree to disagree. I truly don't care about a meeting anyway.
Doc Sportello
(7,531 posts)Command (when used as a verb): to give an authoritative order.
It's disrespectful to give orders to someone whom you have no authority over. You can think of yourself as having an authoritative position over posters all you want, but I don't share that view. I hope that helps you to understand something that honestly isn't that difficult to understand.
blue neen
(12,328 posts)"Today, the U.S. House passed a bill that would decriminalize marijuana on a federal level, as well as provide a pathway to erase nonviolent federal marijuana convictions. The Marijuana Opportunity Reinvestment and Expungement Act, or MORE Act, is a historic achievement, but is unlikely to be taken up in the Republican controlled U.S. Senate."
"The bill passed largely on partisan lines with Democrats in support and Republicans in opposition. Only six Democrats opposed the MORE Act, and one of them was Pittsburgh-area politician U.S. Rep. Conor Lamb (D-Mt. Lebanon)."
"Lamb says that while he voted against the bill, he supports decriminalizing marijuana, but criticized the MORE Act as a small, non-serious bill that wasnt done the right way and will never be signed into law, regardless of who is President."
"And everyone knows that, continued Lamb in a statement. This was an opportunity for people to say they voted to legalize marijuana without doing any of the work to actually accomplish that."
https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/rep-conor-lamb-votes-against-more-act-a-bill-to-decriminalize-marijuana-federally/Content?oid=18495240
Celerity
(43,551 posts)Lamb voted to make the Trump tax cuts perm, voted to weaken Dodd Frank, twice voted against Pelosi for Speaker, and voted almost 70% of the time with Trump in the 115th Congress (2nd highest Dem in Congress).
The man involved in the gun incident said he wants Fetterman to win the Senate race.
Lamb, since last summer, has never been above 16% in any polls I have seen, and was a 10% in the latest one, a few days ago.
Lamb and two Dems now in the Senate, Sinema and Rosen, where the only 3 House Dems (all 3 were in the extremely problematic anti Pelosi, Lieberman-run (via its No Labels RW billionaire-founded/backed parent org) bi-partisan Problems Solvers Caucus at the time as well) to vote to make the Trump individual tax cuts perm.
So it is not hard to see why he doesn't engender a lot of trust in terms of fear he possibly becomes another Manchin or Sinema.
U.S. Reps. Conor Lamb and Keith Rothfus vote to extend GOP tax cuts for individuals
The proposed 'Tax Reform 2.0' would overwhelmingly benefit wealthy individuals and add trillions to the national debt.
https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/us-reps-conor-lamb-and-keith-rothfus-vote-to-extend-gop-tax-cuts-for-individuals/Content?oid=11083357
Now with the passage of H.R. 6760, aka "Tax Reform 2.0," those temporary cuts for individuals are one step closer to becoming permanent. In addition to extending the reduced individual tax rates past 2025, the proposal would also double the Child Tax Credit and restore cuts to estate-tax filings of about 5,000 of the richest American families.
And two local representatives, U.S. Rep. Conor Lamb (D-Mount Lebanon) and Keith Rothfus (R-Sewickley), backed the bill. It passed 220-191. Lamb was one of only three Democrats to back the bill.
https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll414.xml
https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/rep-conor-lamb-doesnt-vote-pelosi-for-speaker/
Democratic Congressman Conor Lamb kept a campaign promise Thursday by not voting for Nancy Pelosi for speaker of the House. Even without Lambs vote, Pelosi secured enough support to reclaim the speaker gavel.
Lamb, who won his first full term in Congress in November by beating Keith Rothfus in the new 17th Congressional District, had said throughout his campaigns that he would not vote for the longtime California Democrat.
https://www.politicspa.com/lamb-votes-against-pelosi-for-speaker/96985/
For the second session in a row, Rep. Conor Lamb voted someone other than Nancy Pelosi for House Speaker.
He was the only member of the Pennsylvania congressional delegation not to support their respective partys candidate for Speaker.
Instead Lamb (D-Allegheny) voted for Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY), a colleague seen as having a bright future in House leadership. In 2019, Lamb voted for former Rep. Patrick Kennedy III. In both cases, he was one of just a handful of Pelosi defectors.
His vote was watched closely thanks to a signature campaign promise during his 2018 special election bid. He ran ads touting his opposition to Pelosi throughout the campaign.
Man John Fetterman confronted with a shotgun says that should not stymie his Senate bid
https://archive.ph/dd339 (no paywall blockage)
CHRIS BRENNAN
Philadelphia Inquirer / / STAFF WRITER
But Christopher Miyares, writing from a state prison in Somerset County, also told The Inquirer that incident should not stop Mr. Fetterman from becoming a senator.
"Even with everything I said, it is inhumane to believe one mistake should define a man's life," Miyares wrote in one of two letters sent to The Inquirer. "I hope he gets to be a Senator." (That last line was underlined three times.)
snip
Telling the truth on an incident 10 years ago could cause him more harm than good, Miyares wrote. Mr. Fetterman and his family have done far more good than that one bad act or action and, as such, should not be defined by it.
He signed that letter: Gooo Fetterman.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/house/
Both U.S. Reps Conor Lamb and Keith Rothfus voted to weaken a Wall Street regulation
https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/rep-conor-lamb-votes-against-more-act-a-bill-to-decriminalize-marijuana-federally/Content?oid=18495240
But in one area, they appear to be on the same page. On April 13, both Lamb and Rothfus voted to alter the Volcker Rule in the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act. This rule was established after the financial crisis of 2008, and prohibits banks from making risky investments with customers money.
The bill that cleared the U.S. House, the Volcker Rule Regulation Harmonization Act, would exempt banks with less than $10 billion in assets from the Volcker Rule. The bill passed by a vote of 300-104, and still needs to go through the U.S. Senate and be signed by President Donald Trump before it becomes law.
The rules namesake, Paul Volcker, criticized a similar bill in the U.S. Senate, and told the Washington Post in March that plausibly small loopholes can be gamed and exploited with unfortunate consequences, if the rule change were to become law.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/hollowing-volcker-rule/
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)We don't want another Manchin and Sinema...yeah we want to keep them both...but we don't need another one!
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)U.S. Reps. Conor Lamb and Keith Rothfus vote to extend GOP tax cuts for individuals
The proposed 'Tax Reform 2.0' would overwhelmingly benefit wealthy individuals and add trillions to the national debt.
https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/us-reps-conor-lamb-and-keith-rothfus-vote-to-extend-gop-tax-cuts-for-individuals/Content?oid=11083357
Walleye
(31,062 posts)Being from a neighboring state I get the Philadelphia stations. So Ive seen some of his exposure. I like what he has to say. Dont care for Conor Lamb all that much. I dont get a vote however PA residents should decide it
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)I can see why he didn't bother
BlueTsunami2018
(3,503 posts)Im voting for Fetterman no matter what.
gab13by13
(21,412 posts)how popular Fetterman is. Wife and I can't wait to vote for Big John.
Don't you get sick of the argument that Democrats have to run moderates to win? How about trying something different like running the best candidate?
Walleye
(31,062 posts)But we dont need another Kristen Sinema either
Butterflylady
(3,549 posts)He is no toomey or sinema, he is more like Franken. Can't wait to vote for him.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)voted with the GOP many times...he also only one his last race by 2%. I question whether he could win a general.
"Rep. Conor Lamb is usually described in a way that alludes to his centrist chops moderate, Blue Dog and, my favorite, a fine young normal white fellow. He loves to live up to these descriptors, often making a scene out of his pragmatism and willingness to break with party orthodoxy. I mean, the guy still loves to shoot, like any ordinary red-blooded American.
His brief tenure in the House of Representatives representing Pennsylvanias 17th Congressional District has yielded indefensible votes real gems such as voting to fund a border wall, prevent families with an undocumented parent from receiving stimulus checks and oppose marijuana decriminalization.
his gets even more worrisome given context and weight of the Pennsylvania Senate race. The chamber is currently split 50-50 between Democrats and Republicans, with Vice President Kamala Harris acting as the tiebreaker in the event of party line vote with no abstentions, a role she has already fulfilled eight times.
Were still a long way off from the primary, but Democrats expanding their margin via Pennsylvania is a very plausible scenario. Given Lambs record of breaking with his own party, we need to look elsewhere for Toomeys successor. Weve seen the damage that Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema have done, and Lamb appears to be cut from a similar cloth. An expanded Senate margin is worth a whole lot less if its thanks to another moderate wannabe power broker that gets skittish around progress."
https://pittnews.com/article/166601/opinions/opinion-conor-lamb-cant-be-trusted-as-pas-next-senator/
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)get a Senator quite similar to Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema. While we need both...I do not believe we want another Senator like them.
Walleye
(31,062 posts)And I am certainly not enthusiastic about Conor Lamb.
brooklynite
(94,748 posts)One of the lessons I learned is never to confuse my own biases and beliefs with those of other voters.
I keep hearing how popular he is Statewide because he won a race for Lt. Governor -- largely on the back of incumbent Governor Tom Wolf. I've seen nothing to suggest that, in a race for Federal Office, h's "talk tough" style will appeal to moderate independents and Republicans...the kind of people who vote for Democrat Bob Casey, and helped elect Pat Toomey, Rick Santorum, John Heinz, Harris Wofford, Arlen Specter.....
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Butterflylady
(3,549 posts)Deminpenn
(15,290 posts)you've missed a big part of the state's electorate. Take it from someone who was born, raised and returned to western PA, spent more than three decades living and working in Philadelphia and went to four years of college in central Pennsylvania.
Honestly, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)independents...and all the candidates (mostly Lamb) of which you seem to think can win...the same type have lost election after election. Why do you suppose Fetterman is 20 points higher? People are enthusiastic about Fetterman and they won't be about Lamb IMHO. I lived in PA for years and live right next door in nearby Ohio...I usually work elections in both even though I vote in Ohio...to help out.
Sugarcoated
(7,729 posts)I'm from NE PA and Fetterman rocks
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)working people and union people. I am now in Ohio and will work the primary on his behalf...I could walk to PA...and this is an important seat.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,972 posts)I believe he could make a great President, too.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,222 posts).
From that same article:
Fetterman has committed to three televised debates in late April and early May. He said he chose to participate in those debates because theyll have wider reach. Sundays was broadcast on the Pennsylvania Cable Network, while the other debates are set for primetime airing on network TV.
This empty podium look has to end.
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Sugarcoated
(7,729 posts)Manufactured outrage
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)all the more reason to not vote for Lamb in any primary-now or in the future.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,624 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)The GOP already know Fetterman is the candidate that can win...already they begin their smears but Big John can handle them.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,624 posts)I saw "defund the police" ads used against one congressional candidate and two state house candidates in 2020. I knew that none of these candidates believe in the ignorant concept of "defunding the police" but these ads were effective. The comments from this debate are far stronger than the ads used in 2020.
It would be very easy to use the clear facts of the shotgun incident in an attack ad that would depress African American turnout.
You are welcome to believe that such ads would not be effective. I have simply seen firsthand how effective dirty ads can be.
If Fetterman is such a strong candidate, why is no one endorsing him? I am curious
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)is not working...the sort who will care about this are not going to listen to GOP Bs'ers
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,624 posts)The purpose of attack ad is too reduce turnout. In the real world, the shotgun incident would be a very effective GOP attack ad The GOP ad here would be more effective than the defund the police ads in that this ad would be true. None of the Texas candidates I know were stupid enough to support the ignorant defund the police position. Here the facts are clear as to the shotgun incident.
It will be interesting to see how this race turn out. I have looked at the past election history and I am not impressed with Fetterman. There is a chance that the two Justice Democrat will split the.vote so that Lamb does well.
Time will tell
peggysue2
(10,842 posts)He never agreed to this debate. Shocker! The attendance was about 175? Not exactly a major event.
So, all this bellyaching from Lamb is a non-event and/or a warmup or rehearsal before the major debates.
Fetterman has addressed the 2013 incident though I agree he'll need to do this again and again until voters and the press are satisfied. Because Republicans will turn this single incident into an entire campaign against Fetterman's candidacy along with his progressive positions which really aren't that radical. In fact, he's been described as a 'moderate' progressive with his stance on fracking (he supports it in the short-term) and his criticism of those pushing false narratives about how long it will take us to switch to green energy.
If Conor Lamb is going for the jugular, the GOP will go for the heart and lungs.
This is Fetterman's primary to lose. He has a substantial lead and a large war chest.
I'll vote for either candidate in the GE but I'll be surprised, frankly, if Fetterman doesn't win the primary by a mile.
Then, it's off to the November races.
Polybius
(15,497 posts)Of course he did, because that's all he's got. Fetterman should tell Lamb that he looks like a Republican.
W_HAMILTON
(7,873 posts)...try attacking Republicans with as much fervor as he apparently has for attacking fellow Democrats.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,624 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)won a tight election. Hey I would vote for Lamb in general if I could (I live in Ohio) but not in a primary.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)In any race where it is tried
SKKY
(11,824 posts)...answer to Alan Grayson. Is that a fair assessment?
Deminpenn
(15,290 posts)like that, but he is an unabashed progressive.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)like the UAW and can actually win PA, unlike all the previous party-supported candidates. He is progressive and the real deal. He is a great guy.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,624 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)the PA party faithful all rallied behind Lamb before as you may remember and yet he is down 20+ points
Deminpenn
(15,290 posts)Here are the actual results from the 2018 PA general primary.
https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/Home/SummaryResults?ElectionID=63&ElectionType=P&IsActive=0
The field was a good one including the incumbent Lt Gov Mike Stack, who was pretty badly damaged by a scandal. The main candidates in addtion to Stack, were Fetterman, Nina Ahmed and Kathy Cozzone. Fetterman and Ahmed are both progressives, Cozzone was the centrist in the race.
It's easy to see Fetterman's name recognition and strength in the "red" areas of the state. He generally ran away with the vote. Ahmed, though, also got significant support in the more conservative counties to go along with her base in SE Pa. If you consider Fetterman and Ahmed's votes as one for progressive or liberal Dem policies, then those policies got over half of the primary vote.
If you would like to compare the Lamb name, his uncle Michael Lamb, the current controller in the City of Pgh, ran for Auditor General and pulled 27% in the 2020 primary. He lost to Nina Ahmed, who got 36% of the vote in a six person field. In fact, Scott Conklin was preferred over Lamb in central and northern PA.
Showed the Lamb name recognition mostly was limited to the Ohio border counties, Allegheny and Westmoreland.
msongs
(67,453 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,624 posts)H2O Man
(73,623 posts)budkin
(6,717 posts)POOR CONOR