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The people from Bucha....
What's good for the goose.....
sarisataka
(18,821 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)I dont think Ukrainians are sociopaths.
And they dont have a delusional leader urging genocide
TheAverageDUer
(3 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)Current estimates are 1% or so.
When they were allowed to become a part of the Ukrainian Army, a substantial number were purged.
Like the US military, theres definitely a percentage of white supremacists infesting the ranks but it would be wrong to say theyre some kind of majority.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)The Azov Movement is full-on white supremacist neo-Nazi. A few years ago, the paramilitary wing split from the political movement and were incorporated into the National Guard. How much they have been purged of Nazis is hard to tell, although I think that the most hard-core anti-Semites would have a hard time joining the Guard, and thus following the orders of a Jewish president. I certainly don't trust them as far as I can throw them, but they are a quite small piece of the armed forces as a whole (just as the Azov Movement's political wing only got about 2.51% of the vote in the 2019 election), and are definitely being used by Russian propaganda to frame all of Ukraine as Nazi.
johnp3907
(3,733 posts)TheAverageDUer
(3 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(5,793 posts)Simple inverse logic learning in algebra (if this than that), that means if they are neo-nazi and you have the letterman jacket, you are admitting your are a neo-nazi.
Is this a correct assumption?
Beastly Boy
(9,505 posts)I don't think "denazification" means what Uncle Vlad thinks it means.
Crunchy Frog
(26,680 posts)by people who have lost everything, and are out for revenge.
Won't have any connection to the Ukrainian government or military. Just desperate people with nothing left to lose and unlimited access to mines and munitions.
People in Russia may be in for a world of well deserved blowback.
enid602
(8,659 posts)I think the probable and total dissolution of the 1000 year old Russian Empire will be payment enough. Cant wait until all the other territories of the Russian Federation decide that now is the time to pull a Ukraine. And while the Russian Armed Forces are facing these threats, China will annex the resource rich Eastern Russia and Siberia. Say goodbye to Russia.
FakeNoose
(32,823 posts)Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and probably most of the former Iron Curtain countries. Time to get their sucker punches in, while they are on their knees.
China has nothing to gain by helping out Russia, they aren't even allies any more.
Igel
(35,374 posts)Don't know that I really want to know.
The problem is that the "1000-year" (let's think "Reich" here, why don't we?) was strange. Siberia was late. Kazan' was fairly late.
L'vov was much, much later.
And then it goes historical. When Moscow was Baltic Kiev was flourishing. Yes, Balts had settled that part of eastern Europe. Slavs purged/assimilated Baltic tribes.
Every time I hear Putin say, "Kiev is our heart" I think, "Kiev is the heart, and Moscow is the little toe. Kiev should claim *you*, vassal."
At this point, if not too many people died, I'd find it amusing if Kiev re-claimed Moscow as one of its provinces. It should make Putin smile, because, after all, the heart and core of Russian existence was *KIEVAN* Rus'.
What does "too many people" mean? It's la-la-land talk. I think too many have died, but part of me (the part I don't like) wants as many Muscovites to die as Ukrainians, and St. Basil's to be rubble--as for the abomination across the Moskva from the Kreml'? Make it a swimming pool ... again.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)If they grab that area, you can count on them becoming the new bogeyman.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,793 posts)and people think they are mysterious and mystical.