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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA dose of optimism regarding climate change?
I'm curious to hear your reaction and response to this video--but please watch the whole thing (only about 15 mins). First, is it accurate? Are there any obvious caveats missing? What do you think?
WarGamer
(12,488 posts)I haven't watched this video but if argues otherwise... it's aimed at children and the impressionable.
Maybe it's paid for by Tesla and Sunrun?
Climate Change is here now. Time to prepare.
intrepidity
(7,339 posts)Thanks!
JanMichael
(24,897 posts)https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/04/world/un-ipcc-climate-report-mitigation-fossil-fuels/index.html
Humans will adapt. It will just be in a less attractive environment/world. Also the "have kids" crack is just fucking hilarious. If everyone took that advice then we'd never slow down the temperature changes. Right now we are approaching missing any reasonable goals even with the technology advances like bitching F-150 Lightnings.
But as I always say, the Earth will be fine in the end.
Edit: I watched the emotion grabbing cartoon.
Martin68
(22,913 posts)hatrack
(59,594 posts)3C is going to suck (and in case you're wondering, I'm not hopeless, I'm fucking pissed off).
Full rebuttal coming later - have to go and vote.
hatrack
(59,594 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 6, 2022, 08:26 AM - Edit history (2)
1. Non-representative data points - Yes, Norway's new car sales are now between 80 and 90% EV. Norway's citizens earn enough to afford EVs and those purchases are substantially subsidized. Norway, a developed nation powered in large measure by hydropower thanks to its mountainous terrain is also home to the world's #8 oil company, Equinor. Even in a country with a generally strong environmental ethic, relatively transparent government and widespread knowledge of likely future climate impacts, Equinor continues to explore for new oil and gas deposits and will drill 25 new wells in 2022.
2. Ignoring fundamental data points - Every year, year after year, atmospheric CO2 content continues to increase. It's currently around 420 ppm, will likely peak this year in May around 423 or 424, before reaching its annual low in October or November. Next year, it will peak in May somewhere around 426 or 427 ppm, and so on. And each ppm weighs 2.13 billion tons. Strangely, this trend and these numbers specific to carbon dioxide never make it into the video.
Carbon is entering the atmosphere not just from our activities (obviously) but from previously untouched natural reserves. Tropical and boreal forests contain huge amounts of carbon, but will not contain them for much longer as logging and warming continue unabated. The Brazilian Amazon is approaching tipover the point at which its capacity to store and distribute moisture through plant transpiration will be lost and the forest will become much more susceptible to fire and drought. Why? Massive clearcutting for ranching, soybean farming and mining.
Carbon currently locked in permafrost totals about 1,600 billion tons twice the amount in the atmosphere now. But as permafrost warms and melts, bacteria go to work on intact organic matter buried and frozen in those soils. Scientists are not sure of when large-scale releases will really begin to take off, but the pace of melting and change across the Arctic continues to accelerate. This process will also release methane, a substantially more powerful greenhouse gas, though shorter-lived than CO2.
3. Carbon Capture is Bullshit FutureGen , first proposed by the George W. Bush administration, never even got off the ground. The Kemper Project, underwritten by the Southern Company, blew through its budget and was eventually scrapped and replaced by a conventional natural gas plant. Petra Nova , which is the only recent project to approach viability, was constructed for $1 billion on one of four power generators in Thompsons, Texas - the oldest and dirtiest coal power plant in the state. The energy it required was so large that it required a separate, dedicated natural gas power plant, and the project shut down in May 2020 during the pandemic when oil prices collapsed. It has not yet restarted.
More to the point, Petra Nova and most other large-scale CCS projects operating worldwide are designed for EOR Enhanced Oil Recovery. In other words, the carbon dioxide they capture and store is then pumped to dying oil fields to increase the internal pressure of those fields so that we can keep on pumping and refining and burning gasoline and diesel and home heating oil.
Beyond that, plenty of plants and plans are on the books. There are, however, problems. If you scroll through the map linked here - https://www.catf.us/2020/07/ccus-interactive-map/ - youll notice lots of dots representing CCS plants. Click on them, and youll notice two things coming up pretty often in the listings. One is Storage Enhanced Oil Recovery as mentioned above. The others are Status Unavailable or Status FEED. Unavailable clear we just dont know how serious a project this is. FEED means front-end engineering design IOW, theyre working their way through how the project the project will be powered, how much carbon it should store and (essentially) whether it will make sense or even work.
We're at 1.2C above pre-industrial levels. Record fires in the American West, the sixth full-scale bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef since 1998 (four of them since 2016) and the worst drought in 1,300 years in the Southwest. That's at 1.2C. What does 3C look like? 3.5C? I'll go out on a limb and say much, much worse.