Stop Buying Putin's Oil How Many Times Do I Have To Say It

[DanieRains]

So what if we can't cheaply drive or fly or cruise whenever we feel like it.

Maybe "conserving" fuel may start making sense someday....

I feel sorry for the people who are trapped by oil barons who have to drive for work or business.

Paying dictators in Venezuela, Iran, Russia, and Saudi Arabia so we can destroy our planet by melting all the ice and cooking everything makes as much sense now as it did 2 months ago.

Stop Buying Putin's Oil.

Duh.

[SoonerPride]

1. Well the problem is that oil if fungible.

So unless the entire planet boycott's Russian oil there isn't much we can do.

Americans are no longer buying it.

But China is.

So then what?

[DanieRains]

8. Actually China Is Not Ordering More Russian Oil For Their Refineries I Read On DU Today

Link

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142899713

It can be done.

[SoonerPride]

9. That's good news

[dem4decades]

2. The problem is Europe is paying very high prices, and pro Putin candidates are gaining

La Pen's numbers are increasing, it's a problem and it's going to get worse.

[rockfordfile]

17. That's why you don't let other countries get their hooks in your country.

[dem4decades]

20. I don't know what the answer is, I'm afraid Putin is winning the energy

Wars. And the propaganda wars, Fox News is indicative of that, and if the Republicans take back the House the US will be pro Putin, other countries can follow.

[48656c6c6f20]

3. If we do that, Pootin could launch nukes.

Better to just let him have what he wants. Lay back and pretend to enjoy it.

[Gore1FL]

11. ? nt

[48656c6c6f20]

23. Well today is Wednesday

So he could use that for an excuse to launch nukes also.

[dwayneb]

26. Assuming this was sarcastic

Putin's nukes don't scare me. If he decides to start a nuclear WW3 so be it. Who wants to live as a slave under the boot of some dictator like Vladimir Putin?

[Caliman73]

4. It isn't that we can't "cheaply drive, or fly, or cruise....

that is certainly part of it. The other part is that you can't keep your home warm, or cool, or power your cities without the fuel.

As I said in another thread, it certainly makes the strongest case for moving away from fossil fuels. The problem with that is that those countries and companies use all of that money to convince everyone that every other alternative is not practical.

[DanieRains]

6. Conservation Is Practical

We use 20 million barrels of oil every day in America because we don't even try.....

Some states makes it almost impossible to install solar panels.

Electric cars are not expensive and solar power costs 1/3 what it did a few years ago.

We need to transition rapidly while everyone cuts their fuel use by 1/3 whether they feel like it or not.

Since so many people want to end life on Earth as quickly as possible there is some resistance......

[Caliman73]

10. Yes, conservation is practical.

Individual efforts are not enough however.

States make it impossible to install Solar BECAUSE they are lobbied by fossil fuel interests to do so.

Electric cars can be VERY expensive. The lower end models are typically ugly and are not feasible for longer travel needs. We have been looking for an EV and the price range we can afford ($15,000 to $25,000) typically have a range of maybe between 90 to 200 miles. With the lack of infrastructure for charging, that makes them not very feasible.

Cutting fuel use is a good plan, but for areas without good public transportation that is again, not a "feel like it or not" issue.

When people make this issue about "choice" and comfort rather than what is realistic, then they tend to alienate a lot of people who would be on board if solutions were more practicable.

If you look at another thread in General Discussion, the one where Matt Gaetz objected to capping insulin prices because Diabetics should just take better care of themselves, that is kind of what is being said here.

I do agree that we use way more than our share of oil, however, it isn't "Just because we want to" or "We don't even try". When people live in food deserts, healthy foods are insanely expensive, and companies make insane profit off of sugar laden foods, you are going to have a problem that likely, the average person, isn't going to be able to navigate themselves.

Systemic issues need to be addressed to break the control of the fossil fuel industry on society.

[Hestia]

13. a la' us/US via the Kock Bros and their infinite war chest?

[Caliman73]

14. The richest people in America are typically Petroleum people and tech people.

Petroleum people make their money from us using fossil fuels. Tech people make their money off of our information and the money they make from giving that information to advertisers (many of which rely on fossil fuels).

Fossil Fuels right now, are built into every strand of the American Fiber. We, without a doubt, need to break away from the power of the Fossil Fuel industry, but it isn't primarily about "wanting to drive 300 miles a day to nowhere, or take cruises or planes.

It is about how integral the fossil fuel industry has made itself in society. We need to start disentangling ourselves as DanielRains said, and yesterday.

[Hestia]

18. Excellent analysis. Hemp could take a lot of pressure off - I know we didn't sell those machines to

China like the rest of our mfg base did, starting during the * years, thanks to factory closures.

Hemp oil can be retrofitted into most any type of oil or lubricant plus the viscosity lasts longer than petro. [Why fight to keep it off the market so hard all these years, since Rockefeller went all in on petroleum products.]

There are definite alternatives already created and most likely ready to go. No need to fund another start up when the patents have already been set. Just need to find out who has them and snatch them back; then create what needs to be done.

[Caliman73]

21. Spot on. Hemp fiber for paper, clothing, and even furniture.

Hemp oil for fuel and lubricants. I think there was even promise with bioplastics made of hemp.

That plus the wind, solar, and other renewables would make headway.

[Sherman A1]

5. Economies cannot just turn on a dime overnight

Despite the wishes of some.

[DanieRains]

7. Since We Can Turn Thermostats Down And Not Drive All Over Hell Or Fly Or Cruise

Whenever we feel like "getting away" we can use far less fuel and not import any.

I know this is America and no one would ever walk 5 blocks to a grocery store with a cart when they can drive.....

And many others don't feel right unless they fly to see the kids/grandkids/parents/siblings and everyone else 5 or 6 times a year.

We are destroying this planet.

My car gets 76 mpg plug in hybrid that is 9 years old.

How about yours?

[Sherman A1]

12. I couldn't afford a Hybrid when I was car shopping in 2008

so I bought a Toyota Yaris which gets in the 30+ mpg range for my commute at the time. Still have it and my 1998 Ranger that gets less than 20 mpg. Both mostly sit in the driveway as I am now retired. Thanks for asking. Neither is as efficient as what you claim to have so I hope I haven't failed you.

I don't have the wherewithal to take 5 or 6 flights per year, but did use a plane to return home last year after helping my Sister return to New Orleans after the last hurricane. Hope that is okay with your version of what we should be doing?

The grocery store is more than 5 blocks away, but we try to combine trips as much as possible when we go out. I have been doing that since the price of gas went to $1.29 decades ago. From time to time I do take one of the vehicles out just to run them to keep the battery charged...Hope that is okay with you as jumping them is kind of a pain in the backside.

Yes, we didn't listen to Jimmy Carter when we should have done so in the 1970s and Yes, we should be doing a whole lot better than we are doing now and I am hoping that we will do much better as it is well past crunch time.

That said I am figurine that most of us do not live up to your high standard and will just have to accept our status as failures to humanity.

[Dial H For Hero]

24. I'm not going to stop cruising and driving and flying whenever I feel like it.

I know this is America and no one would ever walk 5 blocks to a grocery store with a cart when they can drive.....

I certainly wouldn’t.

And many others don't feel right unless they fly to see the kids/grandkids/parents/siblings and everyone else 5 or 6 times a year.

This year I’ll be flying 3 times, twice domestically and once to Thailand. One Caribbean cruise.

My car gets 76 mpg plug in hybrid that is 9 years old.

How about yours?

Porsche Boxster S, 20 mpg.

[DanieRains]

25. R.I.P. Planet Earth Great Plan

Yer not alone....

[Dial H For Hero]

27. Driving a sports car can destroy a planet?

The Empire should have built a bunch of Corvettes instead of those Death Stars, it would have been a lot cheaper!

[Hestia]

15. I know, right? I keep hoping that people will realize that TFG took his wand and went home

Bureaucracy is moving at lightspeed compared to years past, but nothing gets done in instant. What's saying, "Act in Haste, Repent at Leisure?" We need to go to a medium haste speed, like the January 6th Committee. Everyone needs to just put their head down and work. Quit running to the minions with mics and screaming "Joe needs to do more!!!"

Why is EVERYTHING being laid at his feet? I'd be a drunk by now if I were him. I am so glad that PBO is taking the midterm fundraising and reminding to voters what the Democrat[ic/b] has done within the year or so (nothing big lately thanks to the asshole losers of the last election. The minion's make themselves less relevant everyday running up to a seditionist and wanting a hot quote.

Sorry for the thread drift...mea culpa

[uponit7771]

28. +1,

[taxi]

16. China agreed to buy hundreds of billions of $ in Russian oil at the opening of the Olympics

To stop paying dictators and razing the planet will take some work. I'm not buying anymore of Putin's oil.

[maxsolomon]

19. The US doesn't.

Are you talking to Germany?

[A HERETIC I AM]

22. "How many times do I have to say it"

No one, and I mean NO ONE reading your post is "buying Putin's oil", nor do they have the ability to decide where the oil (or any petroleum products they consume) actually comes from.

DU never ceases to amuse. In one form or another, an endless stream of finger wagging scolds.

How many times do you have to say it?

Just enough times till you feel as if you have made your point, even though this forum can do nothing about it.