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elleng

(131,213 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:25 AM Apr 2022

'Now is the time to break their backs': Retired generals assess Ukraine's fight against Russia.

The retired officers spoke out following reports of war crimes committed near Kyiv by Russian troops.

merican retired flag officers are opining this month not on politics, but on their area of expertise — warfare — in the aftermath of battlefield reports coming out of Ukraine.

"At this stage, what we're seeing when we confront the horrors and the mass murder that has occurred and the horrible abuses, I think we feel now compelled to do more," retired Lt. Gen. and former White House National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster said on CBS News' "Face the Nation" on Sunday.

McMaster and other retired three-and-four star Army officers spoke out following reports of war crimes committed near Kyiv by Russian troops. Among the startling reports was the claim that Russian President Vladimir Putin's forces had killed civilians in Bucha, and had executed people whose hands were tied behind their backs.

The time is now right to push the military offensive against Russia, one former three-star general said.'>>>

https://justthenews.com/government/security/now-time-break-their-backs-retired-generals-assess-ukraines-fight-against

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'Now is the time to break their backs': Retired generals assess Ukraine's fight against Russia. (Original Post) elleng Apr 2022 OP
"The time is now right to push the military offensive against Russia" blue-wave Apr 2022 #1
The Ukrainian Embassy is in DC Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #5
The Russian Embassy is also in DC blue-wave Apr 2022 #8
Nice Try there Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #9
And no one is advocating for blue-wave Apr 2022 #12
Really, as it appears that is precisely Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #14
Well you certainly have a right to your opinion blue-wave Apr 2022 #15
Hard to tell Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #20
Please, stop attempting to put blue-wave Apr 2022 #23
I would suggest the same to you Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #24
Wow! Nonsensical blue-wave Apr 2022 #25
Yes, Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #26
You do your keyboard duty 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2022 #18
So an expanded war is your preference? Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #21
Do you think President Biden is not pushing offensively back? Emile Apr 2022 #10
the west's half hearted sanctions are not helping enuff nt msongs Apr 2022 #2
I disagree, everyone knew going in gab13by13 Apr 2022 #3
You are right, energy sector is key & EU allowing itself to get addicted to RU fuel was big mistake dutch777 Apr 2022 #7
agreed, Germany's foot dragging is frustrating in multiple areas Amishman Apr 2022 #13
Half Hearted Sanctions Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #6
What then is the degree of assistance measured on? Torchlight Apr 2022 #17
These retired generals who are enjoying fat paychecks from the various TV Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #4
"I would bet they have the map skills to do so." yagotme Apr 2022 #11
You have so little to say but you keep saying it. marie999 Apr 2022 #16
Again I would suggest you put me on ignore if I bother you so much Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #22
I'm open to opinions different than mine, and often pick a few things up in the process. Torchlight Apr 2022 #19

blue-wave

(4,369 posts)
1. "The time is now right to push the military offensive against Russia"
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:39 AM
Apr 2022

Yes!! Seize the day. The time is now. Ukraine must have a total victory (that is, pushing all Russian troops from their territory) because if Russia has their way, Ukraine will cease to exist.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
9. Nice Try there
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:16 PM
Apr 2022

I am placing my trust in the Biden Administration to navigate this crisis apparently there are those here who seem to not want to place their faith in our President, His advisors and the information they have available to them in a constant stream of updates.

A very bad limited war is far preferable to a global catastrophe.

blue-wave

(4,369 posts)
12. And no one is advocating for
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 09:13 PM
Apr 2022

A global catastrophe. Frankly, I believe the Ukrainians are being well armed with more powerful weapons for the next phase of this war. It’s just on the QT.

blue-wave

(4,369 posts)
15. Well you certainly have a right to your opinion
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 01:06 PM
Apr 2022

Your perception is your reality and in this instance you are wrong.

blue-wave

(4,369 posts)
23. Please, stop attempting to put
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 01:59 AM
Apr 2022

words into my mouth. I will post and express my opinion any time I wish, within DU rules. You don't have to like what I post and it's evident to me you don't, so I suggest just ignoring them.

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
18. You do your keyboard duty
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 01:40 PM
Apr 2022

And let others do their duty as they see fit. You don't have to pick up a gun and fly off to Ukraine to help stop the whole sale killing of innocents. I'm over 60 and have physical ailments that would make me cannon fodder at best and a liability at worst. Still I have contacted the embassy to see what I can do.Family ties and the desire to see them not eradicated from the face of the earth makes me say to the world Do More! So you man your keyboard and I'll keep screaming Do More, and trying to help. It's all good.

gab13by13

(21,440 posts)
3. I disagree, everyone knew going in
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 04:38 AM
Apr 2022

that sanctions take a while to kick in. 60% of Russia's economy comes from gas and oil and the Eu needs to work it out how to stop buying gas. The thing is, I don't know what % of people work in gas and oil. Russian manufacturing and businesses are having issues staying open. When the Russian people start losing their jobs because of the sanctions they won't be as friendly toward Putin.

dutch777

(3,050 posts)
7. You are right, energy sector is key & EU allowing itself to get addicted to RU fuel was big mistake
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 07:15 AM
Apr 2022

Will take more than a little time to unwind that as EU has no stomach for fuel shortages and the economic downside of the disruption.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
13. agreed, Germany's foot dragging is frustrating in multiple areas
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 09:20 PM
Apr 2022

They are refusing to consider extending operation of their remaining nuclear plant, let alone recommissioning those recently shut down. Makes zero sense to me when they are helping Russia by using their oil and gas, and fueling climate change by continuing to use coal extensively.

Plus germany is delaying weapons transfers to Ukraine as well, without good explanation.

Torchlight

(3,374 posts)
17. What then is the degree of assistance measured on?
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 01:36 PM
Apr 2022

And what is the particular measure which then meets it to your satisfaction?

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
4. These retired generals who are enjoying fat paychecks from the various TV
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 05:53 AM
Apr 2022

Networks are more than free to offer up their services to Ukraine 🇺🇦 at any time. Their Embassy is certainly easy to find in DC and I would bet they have the map skills to do so.

yagotme

(2,985 posts)
11. "I would bet they have the map skills to do so."
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:35 PM
Apr 2022

As long as they don't take along a boot Louie with a compass and a map...



yeah, they're pushing to increase the tempo of the war, bet they have some nice investments in the arms industry. After all, THEY'RE not going to be the ones being shot at.

Torchlight

(3,374 posts)
19. I'm open to opinions different than mine, and often pick a few things up in the process.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 01:47 PM
Apr 2022

And though it may not change my opinion, it more often than not it provides me with additional context.

I'd think it careless of me to minimize or trivialize their positions for no other reason than that they're different from mine.

I'm certainly not going to draw a line in the sand implying only fire-fighters have the moral weight to discuss fire.

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