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leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:05 AM Apr 2022

For Medicare people needing shingles shots.

I have Humana Advantage Plus. A few months ago I called about a shingles shot. Humana would not pay and the shots are $171 apiece. You need 2 shots.

I checked 3 days ago and Humana is paying all but $47 co-pay.

Shingles is awful so get the shot if you need it. It's approved for people over 50.

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For Medicare people needing shingles shots. (Original Post) leftyladyfrommo Apr 2022 OP
I Have Been Thinking About This TuskMoar Apr 2022 #1
A blood test can confirm if you've Chicken Pox Auggie Apr 2022 #2
yes Jerry2144 Apr 2022 #11
Did you get your shot after a shingles breakout? leftyladyfrommo Apr 2022 #21
I did Jerry2144 Apr 2022 #25
It can be really bad. leftyladyfrommo Apr 2022 #26
I had Shingles - fortunately a very light case, if there is such a thing Siwsan Apr 2022 #3
I've actually had it 3 times. Lars39 Apr 2022 #6
I believe the vaccine protects you for around 7 years Native Apr 2022 #9
Thanks! Lars39 Apr 2022 #13
Here's the link: Native Apr 2022 #14
Oh, thank you for that link! Lars39 Apr 2022 #15
Thank you for the "second infection" information MissMillie Apr 2022 #7
My local Clinic never told me (verbally) about a second shot either. Talitha Apr 2022 #23
Yes, it is disgraceful that those shots are so expensive. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2022 #4
Medicare pays for it. Liberal In Texas Apr 2022 #5
It depends on the part D drug plan you've chosen. Wasn't covered for us. Native Apr 2022 #10
Same here. SergeStorms Apr 2022 #16
The best we could do was around $190 per shot. Native Apr 2022 #19
Yep. Not a Part A or Part B benefit. Cost depends on your Part D or Advantage Plan. Raven123 Apr 2022 #17
Nope, not mine. tavernier Apr 2022 #18
Traditional Medicare does not cover it. Hoyt Apr 2022 #20
Your information is inaccurate. Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #24
My Advantage Plus has been really good for me so leftyladyfrommo Apr 2022 #28
Since you're already on an Advantage plus plan (and it is too late for you to decide differently) Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #29
We were lucky snowybirdie Apr 2022 #8
I had no co-pays for any shingles vaccines Mme. Defarge Apr 2022 #12
Sone people's insurance covers it. Mine didn't. nt leftyladyfrommo Apr 2022 #22
I didn't even have to ask my VA provider; she ask me to get them. marie999 Apr 2022 #27

TuskMoar

(83 posts)
1. I Have Been Thinking About This
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:14 AM
Apr 2022

I don't know my childhood history re: chickenpox. Does that matter in my decision making?

Auggie

(31,169 posts)
2. A blood test can confirm if you've Chicken Pox
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:15 AM
Apr 2022

My doctor insisted on one before he authorized Shingrix.

Jerry2144

(2,101 posts)
11. yes
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:47 AM
Apr 2022

the chickenpox virus does not leave your body, even. It hides out and can emerge years later causing shingles. It can come out due to stress, other illnesses, or just because it's a day ending with -y. You do not want shingles - it sucks. I am still suffering some lingering soreness and itchiness after four years. The two-dose vaccine recharges your immune system to help it keep that virus from coming back.

If you never had chickenpox or were vaccinated against it, you might be OK and might never get it as a less-young adult.

Trust me. You don't want to come down with shingles. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Well, maybe on Putrid or Margarine Traitor Gangreeene.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
21. Did you get your shot after a shingles breakout?
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 12:19 PM
Apr 2022

I had to wait. I got shingles after my 2nd Covid shot.

I am hoping that getting the shot won't upset my immune system too much because I don't want another round if this. A year later and i still hurt.

Jerry2144

(2,101 posts)
25. I did
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 01:01 PM
Apr 2022

I came down with shingles three months before I turned 50. Got my first shot in my 50th birthday. I wish the insurance company would let you get it before 50.

Although shingles normally can’t kill your, it makes you wish it did. It’s that horrible

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
26. It can be really bad.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 01:04 PM
Apr 2022

My doctor wanted me to get a shingles shot before my booster and I couldn't because it was so expensive. So, in 2 weeks I can get a booster.

Siwsan

(26,262 posts)
3. I had Shingles - fortunately a very light case, if there is such a thing
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:16 AM
Apr 2022

I had the rash but it and any blistering were pretty limited. Definitely uncomfortable, but I carried on with my life, and after some time with neuropathy, suffered no residual after effects like scarring. The worst part of the whole experience was, while healing I still felt itchy but scratching did NOTHING to relieve the itch. Fortunately that's ended, too.

My APN agreed that my daily dosing with Turmeric may have played a part in lessening the discomfort. However, as a child, I sailed through measles, mumps and chicken pox with little discomfort, at all. Maybe I just have a quirky immune system.

Anyway...... I did some checking, and about 5 to 6% of people can get a second infection so I am going to look into getting the vaccine. Apparently I have to have some sort of blood test to see if a vaccine is appropriate.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
6. I've actually had it 3 times.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:28 AM
Apr 2022

Third time several years after Shingrix.
Wondering if I’ll need another round of Shingrix in a few years.
BCBS paid for shots after first incidence.

Native

(5,942 posts)
14. Here's the link:
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 10:01 AM
Apr 2022
Shingrix provides strong protection against shingles and PHN. In adults 50 years and older who have healthy immune systems, Shingrix is more than 90% effective at preventing shingles and PHN. Immunity stays strong for at least the first 7 years after vaccination. In adults with weakened immune systems, studies show that Shingrix is 68%-91% effective in preventing shingles, depending on the condition that affects the immune system.


https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/shingles/public/shingrix/index.html

MissMillie

(38,557 posts)
7. Thank you for the "second infection" information
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:30 AM
Apr 2022

I have asked numerous health care professionals and they have never answered that question. I was asking before I turned 50, and the answer I got was that the vaccine wasn't really for me because of my age.

I was just wondering IF I could get them again (I had shingles VERY young) or if I was at higher risk of getting them again. But the only answer I ever got was that the shot was not available to me.

Very frustrating when you can't get a simple answer to a simple question.

Talitha

(6,589 posts)
23. My local Clinic never told me (verbally) about a second shot either.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 12:24 PM
Apr 2022

The info was on the hand-out they gave me with the first shot, though. If I hadn't read it after going home, I'd have been none the wiser. Oh, they ran through the warnings about reactions etc... but not a word about coming back for a second shot.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
4. Yes, it is disgraceful that those shots are so expensive.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:22 AM
Apr 2022

Especially for something that is essential. The price is the reason I haven't gotten mine yet.

Liberal In Texas

(13,552 posts)
5. Medicare pays for it.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:22 AM
Apr 2022

That's real Medicare, not Advantage. Medicare Advantage is private insurance and they can screw with people just like all private insurance companies.

Native

(5,942 posts)
10. It depends on the part D drug plan you've chosen. Wasn't covered for us.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:44 AM
Apr 2022

My husband has straight Medicare with a supplement.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
16. Same here.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 10:08 AM
Apr 2022

I paid $98 for the first shot. The pharmacist said the second was more expensive than the first. I'm going to get my second shot on the 20th, the day my Social Security check is deposited.

tavernier

(12,388 posts)
18. Nope, not mine.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 10:21 AM
Apr 2022

I have regular Medicare but not the prescription part because I’ve never taken any kind of medication. I paid about $130 each at Walgreens, at that time the cheapest place. Perhaps they would’ve been cheaper at the health department but I didn’t even think to ask.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. Traditional Medicare does not cover it.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 11:44 AM
Apr 2022

"Neither Medicare Part A (Hospital Insurance) nor Medicare Part B (Medical Insurance) cover the shingles shot.

"Medicare prescription drug plans (Part D) usually cover all commercially available vaccines needed to prevent illness, like the shingles shot. Contact your Medicare drug plan for more coverage information."

https://www.medicare.gov/coverage/shingles-shots


Medicare Advantage Plans with drug coverage usually do.

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
24. Your information is inaccurate.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 12:40 PM
Apr 2022
Medicare Advantage Plans must cover all of the services that Original Medicare covers except hospice care.


https://www.medicare.gov/sites/default/files/2018-07/11474.pdf

The issue here is that vaccines are not covered by Medicare (original or advantage). Vaccines are covered under Part D, which is only available through insurance plans (either as part of an Advantage plan, or a separate drug-only plan).

Even under Original Medicare, most people choose a supplement to cover much of the remaining 20% of costs. Supplement plans are only available through insurance companies.

I chose Original Medicare, after a couple hundred hours of research, and cannot envision a scenario in which I would recommend anyone start with a Medicare Advantage plan. Later, however, there are valid reasons for choosing an Advantage plan - the primary reason, for me, would be a hospitalization which uses up my lifetime days of covered hospital care under original Medicare. (Advantage plans can offer more benefits than Original (and can charge differently), but they cannot offer less - with the sole exception of hospice. At least some Advantage plans do not cap covered hospital care.

The decision as to the best way to cover your health care needs under Medicare needs to be based on real information - not alternate facts.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
28. My Advantage Plus has been really good for me so
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 10:56 AM
Apr 2022

far. They have picked up everything. I also don't have preexisting conditions.

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
29. Since you're already on an Advantage plus plan (and it is too late for you to decide differently)
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 01:56 PM
Apr 2022

this may be useful information for others.

I discovered there isn't really any good explanation of how the plans work, and even people who are very well educated and do a fair amount of research come away not really understanding the significance of that first Medicare decision.

When we sign up for Medicare, we have a once-in-a-lifetime decision to decide both (1) original v. Advantage and (2) which supplement plan & provider (if going with original).

While you can sign up for an Advantage plan every year during open enrollment, and change every year if you want, there is a single guaranteed issue period for a supplement plan. It isn't advertised that way. The general information available is that you can switch to Original Medicare at any point in time (or switch between Medicare Supplement plans at any time), and you might have a gap in coverage for pre-existing conditions for a maximum of 6 months. A friend of mine who specializes in administrative law believed this to be true.

And - while it is technically true - The reality they don't tell you is that without guaranteed issue they can (1) deny you coverage entirely or (2) charge you an arm and a leg more for coverage. These supplemental plans work the same way insurance plans did before the ACA - aside from your initial enrollment (or special enrollment period if you enroll later because you had ongoing work coverage), they don't have to cover you - and if they do, they can charge you whatever they feel your current medical condition justifies.

While Medicare Advantage plans seem cheaper (and may be for people at age 65 without pre-existing conditions at least for a while), if you later develop pre-existing conditions which cost hundreds of thousands of dollars each and every year you will be stuck paying up to $11,300 each and every year (the current in+out of network cap for Medicare plans). If you need specialized care for a rare disease, you may need to get care not only from out-of-network, but also from out-of-state providers. So even if you have a generous plan which covers all of the in-state providers your heart desires, if you have to seek a second opinion from out-of-state provider because your disease is so rare that local care is incompetetent due to lack of experience, it may not be covered at all by a Medicare Advantage plan. (Original Medicare is available wherever you go.)

At that point, it is unlikely that any Original Medicare Supplement provider will issue you a policy - OR - if they do - the policy they offer you will not be affordable.

As to choosing your supplement plan (and which insurance company will provide it) - it is, similarly, a once-in-a-lifetime choice. Supplemental insurance providers do not have to let you switch between plans (G, F, N, etc.) - AND - you can't look over at the greener pastures you discover after choosing a provider (who offered enticingly low initial rates) and switch to a different provider because, again, you have a single guaranteed issue time.

Aside from medications, my total out-of-pocket costs for the year are $3462.29 (premiums, deductible, copays, coinsurance, etc.). We chose a plan which covers all but the annual deductible - so my medical costs (aside from medication) are fixed, predictable, and low every year. (My father - who turned 90 this year - pays about $4650/year, and is on a plan which caps increases at 80 - so, relative to what I pay, the age-related difference is likely to be about 1.3 x my current rate at most.) My recollection is that my medication costs (including premiums & medication costs) were predicted to be about $500. (Under both Original and Advangate, there is generally no cap on drug costs)

If I switch to Medicare Advantage, I risk up to $11,300 each and every year (a cap that will increase over time).

The single difference that would make it worth that risk to me is if I hit the maximum number of days hospitalized. Original Medicare covers up to 90 days of hospitalization per year, and in a single period will cover an additional 60 days (once in a lifetime). The supplemental plan I'm on provides an additional 365 days of coverage. Beyond that I will be paying full price out-of-pocket. I have a friend who just passed away - for the last several years of his life he was hospitalized more than half of the time. On my plan, he would have run out of paid hospital coverage. Were I in his shoes, I would weigh the cost of Medicare Advantage Premiums (for a plan that offered unlimited hospitalization) + $11,300 in additional annual costs against the cost of the uncovered hospitalization coverage. In that instance, I would likely switch to a Medicare Advantage plan (knowing I could never return to my current plan).

The lure of $0 premium Medicare Advantage plans is incredibly strong - but most people (especially those who are currently healthy) don't understand what they are giving up when they choose a currently cheap plan and then - when health declines - get hit with unaffordable out-of-pocket expenses.

This is not where I expected to be when I started my Medicare exploration. I fully expected to enroll in a Medicare Advantage plan - a $0 premium plan is hard to turn down, let alone the bonus fitness, eyecare, and dental benefits!!

About 50 hours into my research, I realized that however attractive Medicare Advantage plans are at the outset, just like balloon mortgages with incredibly low initial interest rates, they were not good long-term options long term. There is no way to predict that I will remain healthy. And a daughter who (at age 31) has $200,000 in billed medical expenses a year + my own recently acquired rare cancer (which will likely require out-of-state care) give me an all-too-real glimpse of how costly my care might be on a Medicare Advantage plan.

I wish you the best - and hope that you aren't one of the ones who regrets the Medicare Advantage choice down the road.

snowybirdie

(5,227 posts)
8. We were lucky
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:37 AM
Apr 2022

Our township government in Illinois offered free shingle shots to Seniors. Check out Senior Services where you live. I'm sure it's the case elsewhere.

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