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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 02:13 PM Apr 2022

Declassified Pentagon documents discuss UFOs causing "unaccounted-for pregnancies"

or five years, the U.S. Department of Defense ran a program that monitored reports of human encounters with UFOs (unidentified flying objects). Now the release of more than 1,500 pages of documents reveals that the agency compiled bizarre stories of unaccounted pregnancies, radiation burns and even brain damage during a secretive stretch from 2007 to 2012.

First published in the British tabloid The Sun in compliance with a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request, the collection of documents was originally created by AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program). Its existence only became known to the public after former program director Luis Elizondo resigned from the Pentagon in 2017 and released videos of unidentified, fast-moving aircraft. While the U.S. government withheld some of the requested documents in the new release, claiming there were privacy and confidentiality concerns, the materials that were produced are bound to fuel rampant speculation among the large community of UFO conspiracy theorists.

The Pentagon documents state that people who observed unidentified flying objects frequently displayed a cluster of similar physical symptoms: Injuries consistent with exposure to electromagnetic radiation (such as burns), heart ailments, and sleep disturbances. A report speculates that these could be caused by "energy related propulsion systems" and warns that the underlying technology could pose a "threat to United States interests." Additionally, in cases that would not seem out of place in an "X-Files" episode, there were accounts of "apparent abduction" and "unaccounted for pregnancy."

Another document from the cache contains a rubric for categorizing different types of seemingly paranormal experiences. If a person claims to have observed a UFO that had extraterrestrials on board, for instance, they are categorized as "CE3." By contrast, someone who says they encountered "ghosts, yetis, spirits, elves and other mythical/legendary entities" is classified as "AN3."

https://www.salon.com/2022/04/07/ufo-documents-pentagon/

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Declassified Pentagon documents discuss UFOs causing "unaccounted-for pregnancies" (Original Post) yaesu Apr 2022 OP
Midwich Cuckoos Midnight Writer Apr 2022 #1
Meanwhile, no hard evidence has come from non-military sources brooklynite Apr 2022 #2
A very tired trope. wanda4rafi Apr 2022 #3
I would love a link edhopper Apr 2022 #15
Not my job. wanda4rafi Apr 2022 #29
I would edhopper Apr 2022 #31
Millions of cameras, no great pics! Nt USALiberal Apr 2022 #20
Okay, I went and checked... brooklynite Apr 2022 #12
Some of the best photos were taken in '65 by Rex Heflin, Orange Co. employee. Kid Berwyn Apr 2022 #14
Uh-huh edhopper Apr 2022 #17
The Orange County Register Kid Berwyn Apr 2022 #25
Only twenty feet in diameter? LiberalFighter Apr 2022 #18
Based on the road width, dust ring... Kid Berwyn Apr 2022 #26
Lol, that old side view mirror! Nt USALiberal Apr 2022 #21
Three photos from inside the County car. Kid Berwyn Apr 2022 #28
This is precisely my argument against authenticity... brooklynite Apr 2022 #22
What Navy personnel photographed... Kid Berwyn Apr 2022 #27
The bottom photo edhopper Apr 2022 #23
OK I like UAPs as much as the next guy, but... lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #4
This could explain Jebus! AntiFascist Apr 2022 #5
Alien baby! Damned aliens acting like they're god, just to knock up women of Earth. NightWatcher Apr 2022 #6
Actually, medieval art commonly depicted Mary with UFOs. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #10
That's an angel The Revolution Apr 2022 #24
The glowing flying saucers with laser beams are angels? lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #34
Yes The Revolution Apr 2022 #35
Those monotheistic religions sure have a lot of gods, demigods, etc. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #37
Are they talking about most of the Republican Party? Most of them are unwanted. madinmaryland Apr 2022 #7
I for one welcome our new CE3 space buddies Achilleaze Apr 2022 #8
It's just a list of reported sightings with associated claims. haele Apr 2022 #9
yeah, the giant motherships are where all the hot human/alien hybrid breeding parties are, oh baby Shanti Shanti Shanti Apr 2022 #11
Unaccounted-for deaths, too. Kid Berwyn Apr 2022 #13
I think this is the fantasists garbage the Alex Jones;s and weirdos over on Coast to Coast devote msfiddlestix Apr 2022 #16
McConnell, Trump, and others had aliens for fathers. LiberalFighter Apr 2022 #19
Is it too silly to ask if BlueSpot Apr 2022 #30
This explains how my brother showed up, 8yrs after my mother's tubes were tied... HipChick Apr 2022 #32
that's right honey, it wasn't your brother who got me pregnant bigtree Apr 2022 #33
DNA Hav Apr 2022 #36

Midnight Writer

(21,767 posts)
1. Midwich Cuckoos
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 02:32 PM
Apr 2022

Frankly, I think this is another disinformation campaign.

Our government has a long history of releasing bogus UFO "information".

See Mirage Men, or the Benniwitz Affair, or Richard Doty, or "UFO researcher" Bill Moore.

I am not impressed by the "UFO footage" that has been released.

I think UAP is exactly what the name says it is. Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.

Worth studying, for sure. But garbage in, garbage out. The data (so far) is hopelessly compromised.

P.S. Elizondo was a guest on Tucker Carlson's show on April 6. I don't find him credible.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
2. Meanwhile, no hard evidence has come from non-military sources
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 02:40 PM
Apr 2022

No clear photos or videos despite the plethora of smartphone cameras.

No physical evidence by supposed witnesses.

 

wanda4rafi

(92 posts)
3. A very tired trope.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 03:56 PM
Apr 2022

There are dozens and dozens of excellent photos from all over the world. one just has to decide to search. Of course, when a photo is clear people claim it's fake.

There is also physical evidence and it is in the hands of people doing research on it. Gary Nolan, who is a well known physicist and Professor at Stanford has some of it.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
12. Okay, I went and checked...
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 05:00 PM
Apr 2022

what I found was blurry blobs of light and "flying saucers" that came from a 1950s movie. If its so easy to locate clear and unambiguous photos of UFO, feel free to provide some.

Kid Berwyn

(14,904 posts)
14. Some of the best photos were taken in '65 by Rex Heflin, Orange Co. employee.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 05:44 PM
Apr 2022

An employee of Orange County, California, Mr. Heflin took a series of four UFO images with his office Polaroid while checking road signs that were being blocked by vegetation in 1965. Here's his first photo:



Note how the dust on the ground directly underneath the object stands straight up. That is clear evidence for some type of associated physical phenomenon.

The brilliant and fearless Anne Druffel studied the pictures and reported:



Excerpt...

Computer enhancement also confirmed that the UFO in Heflin’s photo is a large object, approximately 20 feet in diameter and more than 100 feet from the camera, as first estimated by Heflin. Kelson also independently detected an unusual blurring effect around the craft which he stated was not due to motion, camera focus, or to the gaussian effect. This correlates with Dr. Nathan’s finding 30 years prior of an unexplained fuzziness in the craft image.

Our reanalysis of the Heflin UFO photos in 2000 has led to the following conclusions:

1. The photos are totally consistent with Heflin’s written and verbal testimony regarding the sighting.
2. The photos depict a solid unidentified craft which is moving through the air, leaving a trail.
3. William Spaulding’s hoax conclusion in the mid-1970s was derived from faulty data.
4. The smoke-ring photo is linked by computer-enhancement data to the other three, by cloud and trail data which were previously unavailable.


There is evidence that for 28 years, three of the original four photos were in the hands of unknown persons who took good care of them while possibly accessing data from them. Why they were returned to Heflin under totally inexplicable circumstances remains an unsolved mystery.

The UFO field’s study of Rex Heflin’s incomparable photos continues, and will continue in years to come. Ongoing studies into more technical aspects are being conducted presently by Dr. Kelson, and there is more evidence emerging that the unexplained blur around the object might possibly be evidence of ionization, long speculated by many researchers and scientists in the field to be involved in UFO propulsion.

Source(via Wayback Machine Internet Archive):

http://www.anndruffel.com/articles/ufo/goodbyerexheflin.htm



Mr. Heflin was in the right place at the right time, with his camera at the ready, because photographing traffic accidents and roadway hazards were part of his job. Were it me that day in his stead, I likely would not get a single photo. Heck, I’d probably still be staring with my jaw on my chest.

FWIFW: There seem to be unreleased close-up photographs taken by USN pilots, going by unnamed quoted UAPTF witnesses. With any luck, we might one day soon see what they show. I hope they’re in focus and properly exposed.

Kid Berwyn

(14,904 posts)
26. Based on the road width, dust ring...
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:20 PM
Apr 2022

Anne Druffel, Robert M. Wood and Eric Kelson explain (PDF report):

Reanalysis of the 1965 Heflin UFO Photos

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.552.6587&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Daylight discs usually are reported to be about 30-feet across, per Jacques Vallee’s computer analysis of global reports. His landmark study, “Anatomy of a Phenomenon” also reported a wide range of object shape and sizes. Working with Dr. J Allen Hynek’s data, Dr. Vallee and his late wife Janine worked countless hours putting individual aspects from thousands of eyewitness reports on punch cards.

Kid Berwyn

(14,904 posts)
28. Three photos from inside the County car.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:44 PM
Apr 2022

The images have been cropped and lined up to match the truck’s exterior. The thing wobbled as it ambled along.



There’s a fourth pic, which was taken as the thing departed, that showed a smoke ring.

Rex Heflin never changed his story.

‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena,’ Better Known as UFOs, Deserve Scientific Investigation

UAP are a scientifically interesting problem. Interdisciplinary teams of scientists should study them


By Ravi Kopparapu, Jacob Haqq-Misra
Scientific American on July 27, 2020

UFOs have been back in the news because of videos initially leaked, and later confirmed, by the U.S. Navy and officially released by Pentagon that purportedly show "unidentified aerial phenomena" (UAP) in our skies. Speculations about their nature have run the gamut from mundane objects like birds or balloons to visitors from outer space.

It’s difficult, if not impossible, to say what these actually are, however, without context. What happened before and after these video snippets? Were there any simultaneous observations from other instruments, or sightings by pilots?

Judging the nature of these objects (and these seem to be “objects,” as confirmed by the Navy) needs a coherent explanation that should accommodate and connect all the facts of the events. And this is where interdisciplinary scientific investigation is needed.

Snip...

But we understand to an extent the nature of GRBs, supernovae and gravitational waves. How? Because we have not dismissed the phenomena or the people who observed them. We studied them. Astronomers have tools, so they can share the data they collected, even if some question their claim. Similarly, we need tools to observe UAP; radar, thermal, and visual observations will be immensely helpful. We must repeat here that this is a global phenomenon. Perhaps some, or even most, UAP events are simply classified military aircraft, or strange weather formations, or other misidentified mundane phenomena. However, there are still a number of truly puzzling cases that might be worth investigating.

Snip...

A template to perform a thorough scientific investigation can be found in James McDonald’s paper “Science in Default.” While he entertains the conclusion that these events could be extraterrestrials (which we do not subscribe to), McDonald’s methodology itself is a great example of objective scientific analysis. And this is exactly what we as scientists can do to study these events.

Continues...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/unidentified-aerial-phenomena-better-known-as-ufos-deserve-scientific-investigation/

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
22. This is precisely my argument against authenticity...
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 06:35 PM
Apr 2022

We have a photo taken in the middle of nowhere with no witnesses, of a flying saucer that looks stylistically like something from FORBIDDEN PLANET, THIS ISLAND EARTH, or PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE.

Nb: I remember this photo…from when I was 8 and believed in this stuff. That was before I considered the massive impracticality of interstellar travel (even at the speed of light) between earth and the planetary systems with the capability of supporting life (much less an advanced intelligent civilization.

Kid Berwyn

(14,904 posts)
27. What Navy personnel photographed...
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:32 PM
Apr 2022
Here's what USN Chief Delbert Newhouse filmed -- on dry land in 1952.



When a dozen luminous, disc-shaped objects flashed across a clear blue sky on July 2, 1952, near Tremonton, Utah, Navy Chief Delbert C. Newhouse pulled his car off the road, grabbed his 16mm movie camera and filmed what he knew was a bizarre sight.

Newhouse, who had more than 1,000 hours of aerial photography mission experience, shot 1,200 frames of one of the objects, which has been described as "two pie pans, one inverted on top of the other."

After rigorous examination of the 75-second film, Navy analysts concluded that the objects were not conventional aircraft, but some sort of "intelligently controlled" vehicles. They stopped short of calling them space vehicles. The Air Force, however, called them "possible birds."

Source: https://www.stripes.com/news/is-the-sky-falling-this-man-says-maybe-not-1.130358

With the Argentine armada in the International Geophysical Year of 1958...



The Trindade Island UFO Incidents and Photographs

Brent Raynes, Classic UFO Cases
original source | fair use notice

Summary: On January 16, 1958, while a Brazilian Navy ship known as the Almirante Saldanha sat anchored off the south coast of Trindade, a small rocky island located in the middle of the South Atlantic Ocean, it seems that a most remarkable event transpired.

On January 16, 1958, while a Brazilian Navy ship known as the Almirante Saldanha sat anchored off the south coast of Trindade, a small rocky island located in the middle of the South Atlantic Ocean, it seems that a most remarkable event transpired. Forty-eight (48) crew members and passengers onboard at the time were witnesses. What made the event even more memorable, besides the large number of eyewitnesses, were the remarkable photographs taken by a skilled civilian photographer at the time. The incident began at 12:15 p.m., when an airborne object was spotted approaching the island. The photographer, Almiro Barauna, described as a member of the Icarai Club for Submarine Hunting, was the official photographer assigned to this unit because of his skill in underwater photography. In October 1957, the island had become a scientific research station for oceanographic and meteorological studies for the International Geophysical Year (IGY). Before that it hadn’t been occupied since World War II, when it had been used as an American and Brazilian anti-submarine base.

In a statement made soon afterwards to the Jornal Do Brasil, a newspaper in Rio de Janeiro, Barauna described how he was up on deck when a Amilar Vieira and retired Air Force Captain Jose Teobaldo Viegas began pointing toward the sky, yelling about a bright object that was moving toward the island. Barauna was trying to see it when Lt. Homero Ribeiro, the ship’s dentist, came running excitedly in his direction, also pointing skyward and yelling about some kind of object. After about 30 seconds of looking, he was finally able to see it. By this time, the object was close to the island. Barauna was able to detect it on account of a flash it emitted. He described how it glittered at certain times, and he wasn’t certain if this was the reflection of sunlight or the object’s own light.

Barauna shot two pictures of the object just before it disappeared behind a certain Desejado Peak. After several seconds the object reappeared. It was closer, flying lower and faster, and moving in the opposite direction. He then shot his third photograph. This was followed by a fourth and a fifth attempt that proved unsuccessful on account of being pushed and nudged by others also trying to observe the UFO. As a consequence, those two photographs only contained the sea and the island.

The object was then flying back out to sea, from the general direction it had arrived from. For a brief time it seemed to hang in mid-air. This was when Barauna shot his last picture, which had also been the last one on the film. About 10 seconds later, the UFO began to move off into the distance again and soon disappeared from sight.

The object was described as metallic looking, dark gray in color, was solid-looking but was surrounded by a greenish, phosphorescent haze or mist. There was also a ring around its mid- section that gave it an appearance similar to the planet Saturn.

Continues...

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc644.htm

The Chilean Navy in 2014



Chilean Navy helicopter pilot shoots video of UFO

BY MCCLATCHY FEBRUARY 7, 2018, 8:03 PM

On Nov. 11, 2014, a Navy captain and technician were on a routine daytime patrol mission flying north along the Chilean coast, west of Santiago, and filmed an unidentified flying object.

Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article125629429.html#storylink=cpy

Video here: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/latest-news/article125658529.html

PS: Wish I was a better photographer, but based on what I know, those are remarkable images. I don’t know what they are, but I’m interested in learning more about them. While I’ve never seen a saucer or photographed one, I imagine it would be difficult to frame a moving subject that may be shocking to experience in person, relatively small at a distance, exhibits a bright glow, covered by what appears to be shiny or rumpled metal, might be observable/unobservable on radar, able to zip instantly from near to far… It’s great we have images at all.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
4. OK I like UAPs as much as the next guy, but...
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 04:00 PM
Apr 2022

...some of this is just silly.

It does sound like some kind of misdirection.

The Revolution

(766 posts)
24. That's an angel
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 07:52 PM
Apr 2022

They are painting Mary along with other things described in the Bible:

Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night. And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid


Similar imagery appears in many paintings; the way the angel is depicted varies.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
34. The glowing flying saucers with laser beams are angels?
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 12:02 AM
Apr 2022

Man, those painters must have been smoking something great!

The Revolution

(766 posts)
35. Yes
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 03:13 AM
Apr 2022

The painting I posted shows a man in the background looking up at what we would think of as more of a stereotypical angel. The painting in the post above shows a man in a similar pose. The paintings depict the nativity, and the Bible describes an angel appearing at this time. That's why it's included.

Angels have been depicted in a lot of different ways, not always as a human with wings and a halo.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throne_(angel)

Thrones are depicted as great wheels containing many eyes, and reside in the area of the cosmos where material form begins to take shape.


lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
37. Those monotheistic religions sure have a lot of gods, demigods, etc.
Sun Apr 10, 2022, 12:24 AM
Apr 2022

I never realized some of them are even machines (despite being raised very religiously).

Are you sure the angels aren't inside the flying saucers?

I am fascinated by some of the massive machines in Ezekiel.

haele

(12,654 posts)
9. It's just a list of reported sightings with associated claims.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 04:34 PM
Apr 2022

The report doesn't include any investigations into verification of any of the claims.
Cool stories, but there is no real evidence of anything.

Haele

Kid Berwyn

(14,904 posts)
13. Unaccounted-for deaths, too.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 05:34 PM
Apr 2022

Mantell, Moncla, Wilson and Valentich.

The first three were pilots, officers in the United States armed forces. The fourth name was a young Australian air cadet.

Each lost their life in association with UFOs. There likely are others. Here's a bit on them:

Thomas Mantell





Mantell Case (1948)

EXCERPT...

Mantell was an experienced pilot; his flight history consisted of 2,167 hours in the air, and he had been honored for his part in the Battle of Normandy during World War II.

On 7 January 1948, Godman Field at Fort Knox, Kentucky received a report from the Kentucky Highway Patrol of an unusual aerial object near Maysville, Kentucky. Reports of a westbound circular object, 250 feet (76 m) to 300 feet (91 m) in diameter, were received from Owensboro, Kentucky, and Irvington, Kentucky.

At about 1:45 p.m., Sgt Quinton Blackwell saw an object from his position in the control tower at Fort Knox. Two other witnesses in the tower also reported a white object in the distance. Base commander Colonel Guy Hix reported an object he described as "very white," and "about one fourth the size of the full moon ... Through binoculars it appeared to have a red border at the bottom ... It remained stationary, seemingly, for one and a half hours." Observers at Clinton County Army Air Field in Ohio described the object "as having the appearance of a flaming red cone trailing a gaseous green mist" and observed the object for around 35 minutes. Another observer at Lockbourne Army Air Field in Ohio noted, "Just before leaving it came to very near the ground, staying down for about ten seconds, then climbed at a very fast rate back to its original altitude, 10,000 feet, leveling off and disappearing into the overcast heading 120 degrees. Its speed was greater than 500 mph in level flight."

Four P-51 Mustangs of C Flight, 165th Fighter Squadron Kentucky Air National Guard already in the air—one piloted by Mantell—were told to approach the object. Blackwell was in radio communication with the pilots throughout the event.

One pilot's Mustang was low on fuel, and he quickly abandoned his efforts. Air Force Captain Edward J. Ruppelt (the first head of Project Blue Book) notes that there was some disagreement amongst the air traffic controllers as to Mantell's words as he communicated with the tower: some sources reported that Mantell had described an object "which) looks metallic and of tremendous size," but, according to Ruppelt in The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, others disputed whether or not Mantell actually said this.

The other two pilots accompanied Mantell in steep pursuit of the object. They later reported they saw an object, but described it as so small and indistinct they could not identify it. Mantell ignored suggestions that the pilots should level their altitude and try to more clearly see the object.

Only one of Mantell's companions, Lt. Albert Clemmons, had an oxygen mask, and his oxygen was in low supply. Clemmons and a Lt. Hammond called off their pursuit at 22,500 feet (6,900 m). Mantell continued to climb, however. According to the Air Force, once Mantell passed 25,000 feet (7,600 m) he supposedly blacked out from the lack of oxygen (hypoxia), and his plane began spiraling back towards the ground. A witness later reported Mantell's Mustang in a circling descent. His plane crashed at a farm south of Franklin, Kentucky, on the Tennessee-Kentucky state line.

Firemen later pulled Mantell's body from the Mustang's wreckage. His wristwatch had stopped at 3:18 p.m., the time of his crash. Meanwhile, by 3:50 p.m. the UFO was no longer visible to observers at Godman Field. The Mantell Incident was reported by newspapers around the nation, and received significant news media attention. A number of sensational rumors were also circulated about Mantell's crash. Among the rumors were claims that Mantell's fighter had been shot down by the UFO he was chasing, and that the Air Force covered up evidence proving this. Another rumor stated that Mantell's body was found riddled with strange holes. However, no evidence has ever surfaced to substantiate any of these claims. In 1956, Ruppelt wrote that the Mantell Crash was one of three "classic" UFO cases in 1948 that would help to define the UFO phenomenon in the public mind, and would help to convince Air Force intelligence specialists that UFOs were a "real", physical phenomenon (Ruppelt 30). The other two sightings were the Gorman Dogfight and the Chiles-Whitted UFO Encounter.

CONTINUED...

http://www.mufon.com/mantell-case---1948.html



Felix Moncla and Robert Wilson



USAF Radar operator stated he watched the aircraft approach the UFO; then saw the two blips merge into one return that quickly moved off the screen.



Marksville Weekly News

Avoyelles Parish has connections to a UFO mystery that goes back 49 years. Gordon Heath from Surrey, British Columbia was in Marksville recently to investigate the background of Lt. Felix E. Moncla who disappeared along with another crew member, Second Lt. Robert L. Wilson, over Lake Superior on Monday, November 23, 1953.

According to Heath, who is a UFO hobbyist, Moncla was on temporary assignment at Kinross Air Force Base in ...(sic. Michigan)... when he was sent to identify and unidentified craft over the Soo Locks, which is restricted airspace. Moncla, in an F-89C, pursued the craft for about 30 minutes flying at 30,000 feet over the middle of Lake Superior. He was flying about 500 mph when he was instructed by ground radar to descend to 7,000 feet.

When the unidentified craft was finally on radar it was noted that the two radar images, the UFO and the Air Force jet, were very close and at some point they intersected but only one remained. Heath says that the unidentified craft flew north and disappeared from radar.

Lt. Moncla's jet mysteriously disappeared without a trace.

http://www.nuforc.org/mancla.html


No remains of the crew or wreckage of the F-89C have been found.



Frederick Valentich

His late father holds the missing flyer's picture:





Delta Sierra Juliet? Do you read?

Boats and aircraft have found no trace of the 20-year old Australian pilot who disappeared with his plane on Saturday night after radioing that he was being chased by a UFO. Frederick Valentich was on a 125 mile training flight in his single engine Cessna 182 along the coast of Bass Strait when he told air traffic controllers in Melbourne that he was being buzzed by a UFO with 4 bright lights about 1000 feet above him.

Controllers said his last message was taped and was: "It's approaching from due east towards me. It seems to be playing some sort of game... flying at a speed I can't estimate. It's not an aircraft. It's...It is flying past. It is a long shape. I cannot identify more than that. It's coming for me right now." A minute later: "It seems to be stationary. I'm also orbiting and the thing is orbiting on top of me also. It has a green light and a sort of metallic light on the outside." Valentich then radioed that his engine was running roughly. His last words were: "It is not an aircraft."

The Australian Air Force said it had received 11 reports from people along the coast who said they saw UFOs on Saturday night, but the Transport Department was skeptical. Ken Williams, a spokesman for the department, said, "It's funny all these people ringing up with UFO reports well after Valentich's disappearance. It seems people often decide after the event, they too had seen strange lights. But although we can't take them too seriously, we can never discourgae such reports when investigating a plane's disappearance."

SNIP...

ACTUAL TRANSCRIPTION OF MELBOURNE FLIGHT SERVICE

The transcript portion of the communication between Valentich and Melbourne Flight Service as released by the Australian Department of Transport follows: (FS - Flight Service, DSJ - Frederick Valentich aircraft designation).

1906:14 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet. Is there any known traffic below five thousand?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known traffic.

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I am, seems to be a large aircraft below five thousand.

1906:44 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, What type of aircraft is it?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I cannot affirm, it is four bright, it seems to me like landing lights.

1907 FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1907:31 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet, the aircraft has just passed over me at least a thousand feet above.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, and it is a large aircraft, confirmed?

DSJ Er-unknown, due to the speed it's travelling, is there any air force aircraft in the vicinity?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known aircraft in the vicinity.

1908:18 DSJ Melbourne, it's approaching now from due east towards me.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1908:41 DSJ (open microphone for two seconds.)

1908:48 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, it seems to me that he's playing some sort of game, he's flying over me two, three times at speeds I could not identify.

1909 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what is your actual level?

DSJ My level is four and a half thousand, four five zero zero.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, and you confirm you cannot identify the aircraft?

DSJ Affirmative.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, stand by.

1909:27 DSJ Melbourne, Delta Sierra Juliet, it's not an aircraft it is (open microphone for two seconds).

1909:42 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, can you describe the -er- aircraft?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, as it's flying past it's a long shape (open microphone for three seconds) cannot identify more than it has such speed (open microphone for three seconds). It's before me right now Melbourne.

1910 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger and how large would the - er - object be?

1910:19 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, Melbourne, it seems like it's stationary. What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1910:46 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet (open microphone for three seconds) It's just vanished.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1911 DSJ Melbourne, would you know what kind of aircraft I've got? Is it a military aircraft?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, Confirm the - er ~ aircraft just vanished.

DSJ Say again.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, is the aircraft still with you?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet; it's (open microphone for two seconds) now approaching from the south-west.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1911:50 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, the engine is rough-idling. I've got it set at twenty three twenty-four and the thing is coughing.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what are your intentions?

DSJ My intentions are - ah - to go to King Island - ah - Melbourne. That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again (open microphone for two seconds). It is hovering and it's not an aircraft.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1912:28 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet. Melbourne (open microphone for seventeen seconds).

SOURCE: http://www.ufocasebook.com/australianpilot.html



So that’s part of the reason why the Pentagon and CIAetc consider UFOs “serious business.”



msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
16. I think this is the fantasists garbage the Alex Jones;s and weirdos over on Coast to Coast devote
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 05:59 PM
Apr 2022

a lot of attention to on the radio.

over the span of my life I've listened to late night radio including coast to coast, which I found wildly entertaining when Art Bell was hosting.

unfortunately a lot of people actually believe this stuff. and believe we are inhabited by aliens.

Sometimes I think we must be, cuz people like Hitler, Putin, Trump etc. and their cult followers.

but honestly. this is cray cray and I hate knowing that the Pentagon engages in this shit.

BlueSpot

(855 posts)
30. Is it too silly to ask if
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 10:18 PM
Apr 2022

They kept up with the children? I mean, if you thought the presence of UFOs were the cause of pregnancies, wouldn't you keep up with the kids so you could check that out? It's been a few years now. Seems like we'd know by now.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
36. DNA
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 03:32 AM
Apr 2022

Surely we can determine who the father of a baby is. That puts an end to this nonsense. Did we ever find a kid with a non-human father? Or do aliens go around extracting semen and then impregnate women with it? Why? It's just laughable and I have pity for people who believe in this bs. It's as ridiculous as flat earth and QAnon.

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