I guess I'm naive, but what about the first amendment. Does DeSantis simply overrule that????

[RKP5637]

How can he ban the word gay/discussions in k-3rd grade. This entire thing is insane, that we now ban words too along with books. Yet another total WTF. Please, someone tell me how he simply overrules the first amendment, plus promotes lawsuits against free speech. Does a governor just overrule the first amendment? ... does it only apply to congress? Can you imagine what this guy would do as president "if" he were to win in 2024. He's an extremely dangerous character. Trump on steroids, but a GOP darling. He's dangerous to anyone in a democracy IMO.

[elleng]

1. He can't.

He just makes noise, and people listen/hear/accept/believe.

Nothing like education, eh

[RKP5637]

2. So, how is this all moving forward? Maybe a lawsuit will be pending. This entire thing is crazy. n/t

[mcar]

3. Lawsuits have been filed

[RKP5637]

6. Thanks!!! n/t

[viva la]

9. Of course, activities in school can be limited, but....

he Supreme Court ruled in 1969 that students do not "shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate."

[RKP5637]

13. Good to know! n/t

[pfitz59]

4. It won't stand up to a court challenge

Blocking free speech. Of course SCOTUS is stacked with Fascist pricks, so there's that...

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. The first amendment does not protect you from your employer.

[RKP5637]

7. Yeah, very interesting point!!! n/t

[spooky3]

8. If your employer is in the public sector, as most schools are,

The First Amendment DOES apply, but court cases have spelled out limitations. There is a lot of info on the web about this topic.

[stopdiggin]

17. there are a whole lot of limitations

public servants are generally expected to advance the philosophies and agendas of the division/entity they work for. (much the same as the private sector) And, it's pretty easy to see how a teacher, cop, social services/welfare worker, public health official, etc., that is just totally off the reservation - would quickly present (and run into) serious issues.

(and most assuredly when they are 'on the job', representing said government entity - as would be the case when teaching 3rd grade)

[brooklynite]

10. Flip it around: do you want public school teachers preaching to students?

The school administration and State Government have the right (for better or worse) to decide what constitutes curriculum. The teacher can speak freely outside the classroom.

[Thomas Hurt]

12. The problem is not that they are preaching. The problem is that they teach things...

that offend fn bigots and kids might think for themselves.

[brooklynite]

16. My point is that unfettered free speech by a teacher...

…allows speech that YOU wouldn’t want in a school.

Link to tweet

[RKP5637]

14. Yep! Interesting flip point!!! n/t

[stopdiggin]

19. a little surprised that this needs to be spelled out

I would have thought this was pretty self evident. Apparently not.

[Novara]

20. Why is it OK to compel abortion providers to tell lies to patients?

That is government-compelled speech, a clear violation of the First Amendment, and I can't understand why it was never fought in court. Can a lawyer tell me why that is allowed and not a violation of the First Amendment?


https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/new-laws-force-doctors-lie-patients-about-abortion-msna574581

[PoliticAverse]

21. The government compels lots of speech, nutrition labels on food packages...

warning labels on cigarette packages, interest rate disclosures on loan applications, etc.

See:
Compelled Speech: Overview
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt1_2_11_1

[Novara]

22. Seems that compelling lies would be a good basis for a legal challenge

They were compelled to lie about unsupported untruthful garbage refuted by science. Seems that should support a challenge.

[PoliticAverse]

23. Yes, if it could be shown that what was compelled was objectively false. The text at the link...

I gave specifically discussed compelled speech in the case of abortions.

[Novara]

25. They were forced to lie

...forcing doctors to tell women seeking medication-induced abortions that the process can be reversed once it has begun.

Unsupported by science, not true. There is no methodology to reverse medication-induced abortion. For that you need clinical trials, studies. That hasn't happened. It is only a theory, and unsupported at that.

But let's not get in the way of punishing women for asserting autonomy over their own lives and bodies.

[lpbk2713]

11. He tells the mouth breathers who voted for him what they want to hear.

It doesn't matter if it's legal or constitutional or even if it makes any sense.

[RKP5637]

15. Yeah, that's pretty much the bottom line, and if challenged/overruled then he'll just say, well,

the libs did it, that's why you need me to fight them. Most of them will just remember the initial statement/action ... short memory types. Idiots!!!

[Chainfire]

18. The man is running for President, he is trying to impress all of the Trump voters, so expect

to continue seeing all kinds of crazy shit from him. I just wish we could bounce him from office when reelection times roll around, that would take the winds out of his Presidential race. I really don't see it though; the Florida voters lost their minds long ago.

[Celerity]

24. taking a page from the Trumpian playbook