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kairos12

(12,861 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 05:28 PM Apr 2022

Input wanted on this. I read the entire Mueller Report.

Is there a legal reason (not a political one) why the Obstruction of Justice Charges discussed within the Report have not been offered as a rational for prosecution of Chump? If I recall right the charging decision was left up to Barr, couldn't the DOJ make a different charging now? It seems the advantage here these possible charges have been already thoroughly investigated. Then he was a sitting President, no longer applies except in MAGA fever world.

Serious question for me.

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Input wanted on this. I read the entire Mueller Report. (Original Post) kairos12 Apr 2022 OP
Five year statute of limitations? sop Apr 2022 #1
If Garland doesn't prosecute MF45 for that, FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #2
ABSOLUTELY Grasswire2 Apr 2022 #3
The public deserves a better Attorney General. BlueIdaho Apr 2022 #15
IIRC the DOJ has a policy that you don't prosecute a sitting president for things done while Pres. Thomas Hurt Apr 2022 #4
He's no longer sitting. The crimes are still unpunished. dchill Apr 2022 #13
Meanwhile the DOJ? If Republicans take Congress they will have a committee investigating doc03 Apr 2022 #5
Then win the next election tirebiter Apr 2022 #7
Well, Mueller's assertion -- 21 times by my count -- that the investigation Hoyt Apr 2022 #6
they did it by radio. kremlin's been using rw radio since at least 2008 when they used limbaugh to certainot Apr 2022 #16
Well, wasted a lot of time looking for documents, emails, etc. Hoyt Apr 2022 #17
Hunter Biden fake MAGA charges come first uponit7771 Apr 2022 #8
Not all criteria met for conviction on all potential incidents of obstruction Fiendish Thingy Apr 2022 #9
Very helpful. Thanks. kairos12 Apr 2022 #11
I am hoping that such charges would be part of an indictment of TFG LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #10
As Jamie Raskin says in his book FakeNoose Apr 2022 #12
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2022 #19
how much of the redacted Mueller report has to do with talk radio? why was Hannity's name redacted certainot Apr 2022 #14
Garland was approved by a vote of 70-30,with 20 Republicans voting yes. This included McConnell. jalan48 Apr 2022 #18
Probably the same reason FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #20
I'd forgotten about this. It appears our two party system of government is in a jalan48 Apr 2022 #21

FoxNewsSucks

(10,431 posts)
2. If Garland doesn't prosecute MF45 for that,
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 05:47 PM
Apr 2022

the public deserves an explanation of why there was no prosecution within the time.

Grasswire2

(13,570 posts)
3. ABSOLUTELY
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 05:50 PM
Apr 2022

and now we're getting closer to the mid-terms and there will be that weak "oh we don't file charges during election season...."

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
15. The public deserves a better Attorney General.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 08:32 PM
Apr 2022

Garland is a sloth when it comes to aggressively protecting our constitutional rights. That includes the right to assume that votes determine the outcome of elections - not violent mobs.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
4. IIRC the DOJ has a policy that you don't prosecute a sitting president for things done while Pres.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 05:57 PM
Apr 2022

Impeachment being the remedy.

doc03

(35,337 posts)
5. Meanwhile the DOJ? If Republicans take Congress they will have a committee investigating
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 05:59 PM
Apr 2022

Joe, Hunter Biden, Hillary Clinton and who knows who else on day one.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Well, Mueller's assertion -- 21 times by my count -- that the investigation
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 06:18 PM
Apr 2022

found no evidence of trump or his campaign conspiring/colluding/cooperating with Ruskies all but ended any chance of conviction.

Mueller wimped out. He should have said, we found no evidence because the MFer obstructed it. But Mueller didn’t say that in his report, when questioned by Congress, or at his retirement press conference.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
16. they did it by radio. kremlin's been using rw radio since at least 2008 when they used limbaugh to
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 08:33 PM
Apr 2022

force mccain to pick palin over lieberman and pawlenty. she was getting wooed by russian oil and gas and limbaugh would not support mccain until minutes after mccain picked palin, the friday before the GOP convention, announced minutes before the start of the show so he could finally announce his support.

mueller was an idiot, like all dem leadership, and most of the media, for ignoring the RW radio connection at the root of the disaster

as noted in comment above. hannity, limbaugh's second in talk radio, was redacted from the mueller report glossary even tho he was referenced 5 times.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,611 posts)
9. Not all criteria met for conviction on all potential incidents of obstruction
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 07:46 PM
Apr 2022
https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map

Out of 14 potential incidents of obstruction, only 4 possibly meet all the legal criteria required to convict -

1) the obstructive act
2) nexus (awareness of the investigation/prosecution being obstructed)
3) intent

Unfortunately, the Color coded “heat map” of the obstructive acts and criteria wouldn’t paste here; I recommend reading the whole article.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,242 posts)
10. I am hoping that such charges would be part of an indictment of TFG
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 08:03 PM
Apr 2022

The DOJ may want to include a number of charges against TFG including (i) obstruction of justice, (ii) tax fraud, (iii) destruction of Presidential Records, and (iv) illegal campaign expenditure in addition to the Jan. 6 insurrection charges.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
12. As Jamie Raskin says in his book
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 08:20 PM
Apr 2022

... it would be so easy to get Chump on the Emoluments, he broke those laws every single day while he was in the White House. Chump openly admitted he was doing it, and refused to stop doing it. He even brought in his own daughter and son-in-law to make sure the emoluments (illegal income) were maximized. Chump interfered with government work, legislation, and even judicial rulings in order to keep the emoluments rolling in. Mueller ignored the whole thing, or else he decided it wasn't in his purview.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
19. +1000
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:15 PM
Apr 2022

I never understood why that was just swept under the rug. It was such a blatant violation conducted in plain sight for all to see.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
14. how much of the redacted Mueller report has to do with talk radio? why was Hannity's name redacted
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 08:26 PM
Apr 2022

from the glossary, even though he was mentioned 5 times in incidental references and should have been there, unless he was also involved in redacted sections.

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
18. Garland was approved by a vote of 70-30,with 20 Republicans voting yes. This included McConnell.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:02 PM
Apr 2022

McConnell has been blocking Democrats since Obama, why would he suddenly support Garland?

FoxNewsSucks

(10,431 posts)
20. Probably the same reason
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 08:26 AM
Apr 2022

Moscow Mitch was only OK with relinquishing senate control after his meetings with Joe Manchin. He refused at first.

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
21. I'd forgotten about this. It appears our two party system of government is in a
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 10:23 AM
Apr 2022

more precarious position than I thought.

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