Another lively Pa-SEN debate

[brooklynite]

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[gab13by13]

1. Bad look for Kenyatta,

looks to be a hit man after Fetterman. After he does his job in the primary he will go back to running for Congress. Looks like the plan from establishment Dems is to siphon Philly votes away from Fetterman all to elect someone who voted against Speaker Pelosi twice.

[Demsrule86]

3. And who will join Manchin and Sinema in blocking BBB and ending the filibuster IMHO.

And that is the best case scenario...I don't think Connor Lamb win a General...just Katie McGinty lost... the same kind of candidate. But don't worry. I still think regardless of the attacks. Fetterman will win and here is the thing, those two have ruined their chances with me if they ever wanted to say run for president...would never vote for either of them in a primary.

[mcar]

2. What is Fetterman talking about?

It wasn't an active shooter situation.

[Demsrule86]

4. He heard gun shots and there were gun shots fired...and he called the cops and stopped the guy

who by the way is now in prison for among other serious crimes kidnapping for ransom. He sent a letter from prison about how Fetterman has his support. Also, Fetterman has done a great deal as Lieutenant governor to get people held for years in prison with excessive sentences and in some cases ...maybe innocent. What has Connor Lamb done for Justice?

Connor Lamb voted in the House to fund Trump's wall and to keep Trump's tax cuts. He also voted against Nancy Pelosi and voted for Joe Kennedy in the end. He makes noises like he is for the legalization of Marijuana now but has voted against it while in the House. This is not someone who will likely win a general and if he does. I expect him to vote with Manchin and Sinema. I live in Ohio now...used to live in PA...so I can't vote. But I am close to PA and will work the primary for Fetterman. We need to take that seat. I don't think Connor Lamb can do it...he is like all the other candidates that lost the general while I lived in Pennsylvania.

https://epgn.com/2022/04/06/analysis-pennsylvania-senate-debate-raises-questions/
"Lamb also was unafraid to note that he had sided against fellow Democrats on this and other issues, prompting Kenyatta to note that Lamb voted with former President Trump 70% of the time in his first term. Kenyatta pointed to particularly fraught votes, like funding Trump’s border wall. (That 70% percentage dropped dramatically in Lamb’s second term.)"

I wonder why the voting record changed? Of course he knew then he would run for the Senate. Who knows?

[mcar]

5. "He heard gun shots" is not an active shooter situation

The person he chased down did not have a gun at the time, nor had he committed the crime you note. Was Fetterman psychic? Did he just decide that the guy looked like a criminal?

I asked one question. You did not provide an answer. It was not an active shooter situation in any way.

[Demsrule86]

10. Have you ever been to Braddock? It had a even higher crime rate then now. He was the Mayor.

I probably would have done the same. And consider the police were called and it was peacefully settled...of course this guy now sits in prison for serious crimes as I noted above. We heard gunshots where I live near Cleveland...I live in the city...my neighbor came out with a gun and checked the neighborhood looking for the guy who fired the gun. Had he found him, He would have held him for the police. My neighbor is an ex-Army Ranger and is a Black man.

This is all Connor Lamb has. He is a weak candidate and will not win a general IMHO. He has now called Fetterman a racist which is ridiculous. I still think Fetterman wins and I hope Lamb pays a price if he damages the eventual candidate and we lose yet again. This seat likey will make the difference whether we keep the Senate or not. Warnock is struggling in Georgia. Connor Lamb is about the same as those who ran before him like Katie McGinty.

[BlueLucy]

6. When a cops kills a unarmed black man...

White supremist come out of the wood work posting previous crimes or mugshots that have nothing to do with the incident. You are aware of that, aren't you?

[mcar]

8. That was my thought too

And, even if the person had committed a crime, Fetterman would have had no way of knowing that.

[BlueLucy]

9. Exactly.

Also, Fetterman supporters keep citing polls. Polls don't mean anything. Lamb supporters are suppose to stop fighting because of polls? Democrats know primaries are tough but no on should stop fighting as hard as they can until the end. That's the way it has been for all primaries so why should Fetterman be treated with kid gloves?

[Demsrule86]

12. No one was killed first of all. And the fact is the victim committed serious crimes later.

I have no idea if he had ever been in trouble before the incident or not. I think it is relevant. The bottom line is Fetterman is a progressive and he can win PA...we can likely end the filibuster if we get another seat and Warnock holds on. I tell you, check out Lamb's votes in his first year before he was running for Senate. They may surprise you.

[BlueLucy]

15. What Fetterman's victim did after or even before the incident is 100% not relevent.

The only thing that is relevant is the facts of that incident and only that incident. You should know better. Also, I don't think Fetterman could win a general. We need as many seats as we can get and that's why Lamb and supporters need to fight hard to win this primary.

[sheshe2]

27. You are exactly right about the non relevant 'crimes' after the fact.

It is being said he is a bad dangerous black man before his crimes, and deserved to have a shotgun pointed in his face. Bad, bad man. In the same breath I have seen posts (twitter) and posted here saying the victim, now in jail wrote letters saying what a great guy Fetterman is and he would vote/ support him.

So we have a dangerous criminal that everyone fears and at the same time those same people here lauding him for a letter of support.

You can't have it both ways.

[Polybius]

29. The victim supports Fetterman now

That is relevant.

[mcar]

19. The fact that the victim committed crimes later is irrelevant

Again, is Fetterman psychic? Is this like "Minority Report" where it's OK to target people who may commit crimes in the future.

This is not about Lamb's votes - this is about Fetterman lying about a serious incident. He could have and should have gotten on top of this before he ran for Senate.

[BlueLucy]

11. It's dishonest to say there was a active shooter, in my opinion. nt

[Demsrule86]

13. That is your opinion...mine differs.

Gunfire in your neighborhood in all cases means someone is shooting a gun...hence gun fire. And Braddock had a very high crime rate then. Fetterman has a great deal of success in bringing Braddock...lowering the crime rate, bringing jobs and actually lives there.

[Sympthsical]

7. Craven and desperate

I know that's what I look for in someone who wants to be a Democratic Senator.

[Demsrule86]

14. I assume you are referring to Connor Lamb who is indeed desperate.

[Sympthsical]

16. Both of Fetterman's opponents

I think they're doing some dirty work at this point.

[Demsrule86]

22. I agree...to be fair Kenyatta did not call Fetterman a racist as Connor Lamb did.

[brooklynite]

18. What does this story have to do with Conor Lamb?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

17. Here is the YouTube video

The GOP.will be using this video if Fetterman is the nominee

[mcar]

20. This is going to hurt our chances to take this Senate seat

Even if Fetterman did think it was an active shooter situation, civilians don't respond to them.

[Celerity]

21. Fetterman was Braddock's chief law enforcement officer and mayor, not a civilian (he just reiterated

it again during the debate)

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-pennsylvania-campaigns-race-and-ethnicity-elections-b0cf7086c0a1aedf0a48966b6a2fd276

“The people of Braddock understand that, as the town’s mayor and chief law enforcement officer, John was acting to keep his community safe,” Rebecca Katz, an adviser to Fetterman’s campaign, said in an email.

Braddock — a town that is about 70% Black — reelected Fetterman 10 months later “because they know this incident had nothing to do with race,” Katz said.

[Demsrule86]

23. That is a very good point...and he won reelection twice after this happened.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

24. LOL. He got a total of 600 or so votes in those races

Do you really think a community that would not qualify as a town in Texas is that meaningful?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

25. Fetterman's story has changed and does not hold up

The GOP will bury Fetterman with very effective negative ads if Fetterman is the nominee

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[W_HAMILTON]

26. I wasn't sure about those polls showing Fetterman with a dominating lead...

...but after watching Lamb and other competitors resort to these pathetic attacks, I'm guessing the polls were an accurate portrayal of the race as it currently stands.

And, yet again, Lamb shows a fire attacking other Democrats that I wish he would show in going after Republicans; if he did, maybe he wouldn't be down so badly in the polls right now.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

32. If Fetterman is the nominee, we will lose this seat

There is too much material to use against Fetterman

[LetMyPeopleVote]

28. Fetterman's story does not hold up

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[brooklynite]

30. Observation: the engagement was between Fetterman and Kenyatta...

…but everyone used the opportunity to criticize Lamb.

[lapucelle]

31. One of these candidates is Fetterman, one is Kenyatta, and one is Lamb.

The moderate in the middle is Kenyatta.

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https://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm
https://www.ontheissues.org/John_Fetterman.htm
https://activote.ontheissues.org/Senate/Malcolm_Kenyatta_SenateMatch.htm
https://www.ontheissues.org/PA/Conor_Lamb.htm