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From: https://www.businessinsider.com/zelenskyy-eu-politician-told-prove-all-this-was-not-staged-2022-4
Sarah Al-Arshani
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the worst conversation he's had since the war in Ukraine started was with a European Union politician that asked him if the war was staged. "There was a bad situation with a leading EU politician. I don't want to talk about it. He basically said: Show us proof that all this was not staged. That your people really died," Zelenskyy said in an interview with BILD reporter Paul Ronzheimer on Friday. Zelenskyy refused to name the politician or when exactly this conversation happened, but his remarks come after a number of atrocities across Ukraine.
On Friday, two Russian rockets hit a train station in Kramatorsk, Donetsk, killing at least 50 people and injuring 100 others. Pavlo Kyrylenko, the governor of the Donetsk region, which is a part of the Donbas region, said five of those killed were children. Zelenskyy told Ronzheimer that he doesn't think Russian President Vladimir Putin "understands at all what is happening." "I'm sure he has no clue what is actually happening. He has given his order but does not know just how many people die every day and what is happening in reality. How many people, how many children die, how many buildings are destroyed, are burnt to the ground," Zelenskyy said. "He doesn't know about all this and he doesn't want to know. He just needs a result."
The attack in Kramatorsk followed news that the bodies of hundreds of civilians were found in the Ukrainian suburb of Bucha.
Zelenskyy told Ronzheimer that there's more destruction yet to be found. "Some towns were destroyed completely. Some towns simply don't exist anymore no more buildings, no more people. I do not know what we will find there," he said.
Maybe Le Pen?
dalton99a
(81,513 posts)onecaliberal
(32,862 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,621 posts)maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)It doesn't sound like any other "EU Leader". Maybe Erdogan?
The Russian propaganda line is that the atrocities are staged. It's gaslighting, but how do you PROVE it's gaslighting? If you do prove it, does it even matter? Russia won't stop saying it over and over; nothing makes a liar stop lying.
It's a dilemma we face in our own country with RW media and bad-faith Repukes.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... EU Politician. Maybe not even holding office. That broadens it quite a bit, and includes a lot of extremist cranks.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)OK.
DBoon
(22,366 posts)There is a specific woman I am thinking of...
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)JohnSJ
(92,216 posts)jerk doesnt believe it
louis-t
(23,295 posts)Make him stand there in the middle of a rocket attack with no protection. Be sure to bring along a change of underwear.
Make7
(8,543 posts)2naSalit
(86,646 posts)Were they from Hungary?
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,026 posts)But probably Hungary
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)I was trying to be nice to Poland because they really are receiving the majority of the refugees and are trying to accommodate them. Hungary, other than taking in a few refugees aren't being all that helpful.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,026 posts)Srkdqltr
(6,292 posts)Maybe see the shells fall!! Come one come all. Walk through the devastation. See the ...........
Srkdqltr
(6,292 posts)cos dem
(903 posts)Could be Boris, but my guess is he's a bit more savvy than that. Plus, anyone in a position of power will surely have access to intelligence showing how real this is.
Someone mentioned le Pen, and that seems consistent as well.
cos dem
(903 posts)I forgot UK is not part of EU anymore! Thanks to Boris and Nigel!
erronis
(15,287 posts)Of course they were sold a bill-of-goods for a fairy-tale. But they should have used some good olde british common sense instead of listening to the UK version of the trump hucksters. (All gratis of putin.)
Myrddin
(327 posts)That's just the kind of shit that the nefarious cockwomble would indeed say!
However, seeing as how he's no longer actually an MEP, I would seach among the many other like-minded MEPs, even from the more liberal countries. Many of them have their own Faragesque Fuckwits too!
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Bucha, Mariupol for example. Leave him there overnight
keithbvadu2
(36,819 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 9, 2022, 06:26 PM - Edit history (1)
Hey, politician::: Prove that you are not a child molester.
You can prove that you have not been convicted but you must prove a negative.
Prove that you are not a child molester.
oldsoftie
(12,553 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)here in the political offices, local and national. Pretend not to see the real truth while making up BS reasons not to see or hear the truth. RW EU politician no doubt
Novara
(5,843 posts)usonian
(9,810 posts)joanbarnes
(1,722 posts)Hekate
(90,712 posts)Beartracks
(12,814 posts)That's like Republicans here: claim that evidence is faked, just like THEY would do.
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Evolve Dammit
(16,736 posts)drray23
(7,633 posts)the French extreme right winger currently running in the French presidential elections. She said that if she wins she would ally with Russia.
Farmer-Rick
(10,182 posts)How can you prove something is Not staged? It can't be done. You can prove something did happen but that doesn't necessarily prove that the event in question wasn't also staged. Both things can be true at the same time.
Most people who live in reality however will believe something wasn't staged if it happened in real life....but then there are GOPers.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)COL Mustard
(5,899 posts)To go fuck him/herself.
Marcuse
(7,487 posts)DFW
(54,403 posts)Such as the same one American troops made of the residents of Dachau after the concentration camp there. You WILL gaze upon this with your own eyes before telling me you doubt what I am telling you.