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Budi

(15,325 posts)
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 02:23 PM Apr 2022

Did Rupert Murdoch buy NY Times???




mayatcontreras
·Apr 9, 2022
"My god. The @nytimes and the rest of legacy media really wants to see Biden fail. What awful framing. Republicans are literally trying to eradicate the LGBTQ + community, end Abortion, Voting, and Civil Rights, but they write this????"

The New York Times
@nytimes
"Republicans see a fresh opening, after the Obama and Trump eras, to peel away some Black voters who polls show are increasingly disenchanted with the Biden" administration
. https://nyti.ms/3xeXU6w



@mcrouchpr
They choose the Republicans because of their position on ending democracy, being corrupt, being racist, taking away women’s rights and enrichment of the billionaire class. What black, Hispanic and working poor wouldn’t love that? 🙄
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Did Rupert Murdoch buy NY Times??? (Original Post) Budi Apr 2022 OP
The NY Times has been playing both siderisms for some time now. JohnSJ Apr 2022 #1
This is what a real unbiased "fair and balanced" outlet should be question everything Apr 2022 #7
No. When reporting something good or bad by a particular group that makes news, JohnSJ Apr 2022 #11
I Think You Are Describing False Equivalency TomCADem Apr 2022 #30
Maybe everyone should boycott this rag Historic NY Apr 2022 #2
Yes. Refuse to support The NY Times just as one refuses FOX News Budi Apr 2022 #3
This is false equivalence. nt pnwmom Apr 2022 #6
No its not. Budi Apr 2022 #33
Fox News has an extreme right wing slant. Its last moderates have gone. pnwmom Apr 2022 #35
Derriding President Biden, VP Harris, our Democratic Leaders daily. Budi Apr 2022 #36
The New York Times is not Fox and never will be. ificandream Apr 2022 #23
Me also PXR-5 Apr 2022 #31
NYT has been like this since at least the Bush2 years...remember yellowcake? Judith Miller? Tommymac Apr 2022 #4
Remember the "Friedman Units" from the Bush/Cheney War for Fun and Profit? OMGWTF Apr 2022 #20
What's wrong with the article? brooklynite Apr 2022 #5
i guess i don't see what the problem is either........ Takket Apr 2022 #13
Is this a editorial from The NY Times, or a factual story? JohnSJ Apr 2022 #16
Its a factual story in that it reports on Republican assumptions and strategies for November brooklynite Apr 2022 #19
Then it isn't factual, just like their assumption that republicans rejected climate change JohnSJ Apr 2022 #32
Its quotes are highly biased towards Republicans, or Blacks disenchanted with Democrats muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #17
And yet they are running candidates like Herschel Walker who is outpolling Raphael Warnock. gldstwmn Apr 2022 #29
After last week's hearings ... aggiesal Apr 2022 #8
Because there are misogynists in every group. LakeArenal Apr 2022 #26
Here's Eric Boehlert in February highlighting babylonsister Apr 2022 #9
In 2016 how many times did the NY Times sell the false story about Hillary's emails And when they... Botany Apr 2022 #10
Republicans call the New York Times, and other media, biased for reporting truths ... dawg Apr 2022 #12
It's like they're cheerleading a MAGA takeover in November. Initech Apr 2022 #14
I would imagine that Black Voters Cha Apr 2022 #15
They should change their motto Fritz Walter Apr 2022 #18
Yawn... brooklynite Apr 2022 #21
Agreed. It's the type of simple simon logic the Repughs do. Sad to see it here. ificandream Apr 2022 #22
I don't get it, maybe someone can tell me why kacekwl Apr 2022 #24
Many are forced birthers, hate LGBTQ, and buy into the 'as little taxes as possible' bollocks Celerity Apr 2022 #28
Not sure about Muckdock - but I recall reading Paul Singer had bought a stake peppertree Apr 2022 #25
I left the NY Times out of my reading a while ago. gldstwmn Apr 2022 #27
The NYT is a very biased source-Front page for hit story on Hillary and A15 for Don Jr's treason LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #34
K & R. Thank You! Budi Apr 2022 #37

JohnSJ

(92,201 posts)
11. No. When reporting something good or bad by a particular group that makes news,
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 04:09 PM
Apr 2022

bringing in something not related to the current news story about an opposite group is no longer about reporting the news, but making editorial inference

When President Obama was pushing for Green Energy, and the republicans opposed it, The NY Times took the extra step to add to the story that it was the “hubris” of Obama why the republicans to go against it


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html

There are many examples of The NY Times finding the need to do this, and reporting that as a news story, instead of editorializing



TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
30. I Think You Are Describing False Equivalency
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 05:22 PM
Apr 2022

This is a common logical fallacy that an argument or claim in which two completely opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not.

Indeed, false equivalency has contributed to the extremism of modern politics, because Republicans will now push even more extreme positions, knowing that many outlets feel obliged to present both views and suggest that the truth is in the now skewed middle.

Just because you have a virologist one side of the equation and a person who is promoting the use of bleach on the other does not mean that the truth with respect to how to prevent or treat COVID is somewhere in the middle of their two positions.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
2. Maybe everyone should boycott this rag
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 02:30 PM
Apr 2022

there are ways to get around their pay wall too. Starve the beast MAGA don't read.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
33. No its not.
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 09:15 PM
Apr 2022

It was one big fking media party.
Fortune, name celebrity, & profits soared on the backs of those who are being stripped of rights & demoralized this very day.

Our Federal courts for generations to come have been compromised.

NYTimes' contribution continues to erode American human & civil rights, with zero accountability to the roll they play.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216579813

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
35. Fox News has an extreme right wing slant. Its last moderates have gone.
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 10:28 PM
Apr 2022

The New York Times is center-left, with opinion writers on both sides of the aisle.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
36. Derriding President Biden, VP Harris, our Democratic Leaders daily.
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 11:15 PM
Apr 2022

Minimizing the accomplishments of our President & VP while shoving the RW extremist block in their articles as tho there is some sort of similarity is bullshit & they know it.

They just can't stop profiting from the omg!, they're both the same!.. readers that give them soaring profits.

When they minimize Biden's accomplishments to lift the RW, they sound exactly like FOX.

They do the same disservice to those Americans who are now watching in horror as the once equal status is now severed & dumped in the "who's in & who's not" division of class, race & gender.

Yes. NY Times certainly plays that game, & with no accountability to those Americans who will never see equal status they once knew, because NY Times can not seperate profit from human dignity.

There's no damned difference. The damage is irreparable for generations to come.


ificandream

(9,373 posts)
23. The New York Times is not Fox and never will be.
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 05:13 PM
Apr 2022

Donald Trump hates it. That's an excellent reason to support it. I'm a subscriber and proud of it.

PXR-5

(522 posts)
31. Me also
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 05:22 PM
Apr 2022

I have been reading the NYT all my life and will probably till the day I die.

I feel it's "fair and balanced" the right paints it as liberal.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
4. NYT has been like this since at least the Bush2 years...remember yellowcake? Judith Miller?
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 03:31 PM
Apr 2022

Nothing to see here...Move On.

OMGWTF

(3,957 posts)
20. Remember the "Friedman Units" from the Bush/Cheney War for Fun and Profit?
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 05:03 PM
Apr 2022

It was a six-month unit of time that Tom Friedman always told his readers to patiently wait for, and then the war would be a be at a turning point and would somehow be good idea. Cheney The Dick's company, Haliburton, made $39.5 Billion from no-bid contracts. How those two fking war criminals two escaped justice makes me want to puke.

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
5. What's wrong with the article?
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 03:38 PM
Apr 2022

Its false (Republicans don't think they can win over African American voters) or its disappointing to liberal readers?

This is an article analyzing the politics of the election. Why assume a "motive"?

Takket

(21,573 posts)
13. i guess i don't see what the problem is either........
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 04:15 PM
Apr 2022

i've seen a ton of bullshit from the NY Times but if the rethugs think courting black voters in a "winning" strategy for them, why is it the NYT's fault for reporting on it?

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
19. Its a factual story in that it reports on Republican assumptions and strategies for November
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 05:02 PM
Apr 2022

Just like they've run stories on Democratic assumptions and strategies in past elections.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
17. Its quotes are highly biased towards Republicans, or Blacks disenchanted with Democrats
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 04:30 PM
Apr 2022

even though they are still a minority of Blacks. An analysis of the article:

"dozens of Black Republican House candidates — a record number of them — are reshaping the party’s pitch"

Well, no, they're not. There is no "pitch" apart from "Democrats are awful". The article does not name one thing that these candidates pitch as "different" from before, or from white Republicans.

On the Senate Republican treatment of Ketanji Brown Jackson:

“I think the Black people that this would turn off weren’t voting for Republicans anyway, no matter what,” said Wesley Hunt, a Black Army veteran and a Republican newcomer to politics who is running for a deep-red Texas House seat.

That's not "reshaping the pitch"; that's cynical carelessness about what Blacks actually think. Which is standard for Republicans. But the NYT tries to polish it.

“We are not a monolith,” said Jennifer-Ruth Green, a Black Air Force veteran who is running for Congress in Northwestern Indiana as a Republican. “We see inflation and gas prices. Voters are not stupid.”

Again, toeing the standard Republican line. Then a Black voter says she felt despair about the way KBJ was treated:

But, she said, vaccine mandates cost her a job as a property manager for a housing authority after she refused to get the shot. Stimulus checks kept too many people out of the work force. And President Biden? “He hasn’t been doing anything,” she said. “What has he done?”

And then it reveals she voted for Trump anyway in 2020 (though Hillary in 2016). So she is, frankly, a shit judge of character and reality. And not a typical Black voter.

"But tellingly, Black Republican candidates such as Ms. Green and John James, who is running for a Michigan House seat, are not advertising their party affiliations, just their biographies — a sign that the G.O.P. brand remains toxic in some corners.

And Republican outreach efforts amount to little more than seizing on Black disaffection with Democrats."


Oh, so "reshaping the pitch" was bullshit, after all? But they've buried this admission several paragraphs down. More quotes from a Black vote who is in the minority of Black voters:

“I don’t think Biden’s really even in office,” Robert Sanders scoffed as he cut hair in Gary, echoing criticism from the political right about the 79-year-old president. “I think he’s being escorted through office.”

Then we get some pollsters, who boil down to "it's back to the pre-Obama situation". Finally we get a quote from a Democrat. Closely followed by another Black Republican, who admits

Still, when he talks about what is afflicting local farmers and truckers, Mr. Hunt said, he invariably comes back around to the economy, gas prices and inflation.

Then another Black Republican, talking about ... gas prices and inflation. Then we final circle back to an Indianan Black, who is the closest thing to a typical Black voter mentioned in the whole article, who says

In Gary, Mr. Fleming said he worried about the rising power of the Democratic left wing. But until more Republicans drop their “conspiracy theories” and extreme comments, he said, they weren’t much of an option.

All in all, it is not quoting a representative sample of Black voters. It misleading promoted Black Republicans as "reshaping the party's pitch". And it tries to normalize the Republicans character assassination of KBJ as "politics as usual". They said she was pro-pedophile and pro-al Qaeda, for fuck's sake!

Yeah, that's such a shit and biased article that a motive is needed - more than "oh shit, we've got to fill up the paper".


gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
29. And yet they are running candidates like Herschel Walker who is outpolling Raphael Warnock.
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 05:22 PM
Apr 2022

It's very disturbing to me.

aggiesal

(8,915 posts)
8. After last week's hearings ...
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 03:55 PM
Apr 2022

You think this still applies?

... to peel away some Black voters who polls show are increasingly disenchanted.


This poll must have been taken before the hearings, because I can't see how any Black voters would vote (R) after KBJ Confirmation Hearings.

babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
9. Here's Eric Boehlert in February highlighting
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 03:56 PM
Apr 2022

how the NY Times isn't playing fair by giving the gop free reign to spread misinformation...I am happy to see this honest criticism. Someone has to do it.



NY Times loves hyping GOP, ignoring Dems
Gaslighting
Eric Boehlert
Feb 9


Eager to document the latest right-wing attack on science, the New York Times recently published a long piece about Republicans making Dr. Anthony Fauci a target of their midterm campaign wrath. Treating the despicable behavior as a little more than a “smart” campaign strategy, the Times ended up quoting no less than fourteen Republicans without bothering to quote a single Democrat to give a counter-balancing view, or put the GOP’s outlandish conduct in perspective.

The Times’ massive omission has become standard among Beltway journalists in recent years, as they feverishly detail whatever phony outrage Republicans are cooking up. Time and again reporters simply hand over the reins to the GOP, let them spread their misinformation, gently suggest to news consumers that the allegations may not be true, and then shut out Democratic voices, denying them an opportunity to weigh in on the political attacks being levied.


The Times’ Fauci piece, which came complete with a cliched interview of Trump voters conducted inside a Midwestern diner, was just the most recent and egregious example of this misguided, one-sided coverage.

more...

https://pressrun.media/p/why-does-the-ny-times-love-hyping?s=r

Botany

(70,508 posts)
10. In 2016 how many times did the NY Times sell the false story about Hillary's emails And when they...
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 03:59 PM
Apr 2022

.... finally had to do a correction on it they buried that to a short blib inside the paper.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/21/jeffrey-toobin-clinton-emails-053484



This graph is not just for the NY Times.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
12. Republicans call the New York Times, and other media, biased for reporting truths ...
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 04:11 PM
Apr 2022

that refute the Party's lies.

Many of these outlets then respond by beninding over backwards to amplify as many Republican points of view as possible in order to disprove the claims of bias. But this results in de facto favoritism towards the Republican Party even from the so-called "liberal" media.

A much better approach would be to report the news factually, political spin from either side be damned.

Editorially (on the editorial page), the papers should take whatever positions their editiorial board actually believes. No sense in pandering to the other side.

Cha

(297,257 posts)
15. I would imagine that Black Voters
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 04:21 PM
Apr 2022

are thrilled with PJB's pick for SCOTUS and Confirmation of Justice Brown Jackson.. just like we all are!

Oh yeah.. & the NYT can fuck the fuck off.

💙💛


kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
24. I don't get it, maybe someone can tell me why
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 05:14 PM
Apr 2022

a black person especially a woman would vote for a Republican. Hispanic people also but I think abortion is a big issue for them. I could be wrong being white but I don't know of anything Republicans have done for them or me for that matter.

peppertree

(21,636 posts)
25. Not sure about Muckdock - but I recall reading Paul Singer had bought a stake
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 05:15 PM
Apr 2022

with the money he weaseled out of Argentina in 2016.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
27. I left the NY Times out of my reading a while ago.
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 05:16 PM
Apr 2022

Maga Haberman was the beginning of the end for me.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,288 posts)
34. The NYT is a very biased source-Front page for hit story on Hillary and A15 for Don Jr's treason
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 09:17 PM
Apr 2022

I am so glad that I dropped by subscription to this wrag



The NYT held DOJ story for several months and then only reported State Department story on page A16
The NYT is a wrag

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
37. K & R. Thank You!
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 11:27 PM
Apr 2022

And here we are, choking on our once granted rights to our female autonomy, for starters.
Our Federal courts are fked for generations.
And NY Times wrings their hands placating us, but not really enough to take a fking solid stand against the perpetrators.

Nope, NY Times plays the readers as tho the RW & President Biden are somehow no different.
They have stepped down on human equality just to elevate the RW, the fringe.

It is obvious.

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