MSNBC's Glenn Kirschner Says Ivanka 'Incriminated Donald Trump' To Jan. 6 Committee -- 'And I Can Tel

[Ohio Joe]

MSNBC’s Glenn Kirschner Says Ivanka ‘Incriminated Donald Trump’ To Jan. 6 Committee — ‘And I Can Tell You How’

From the article, the quote from Kirschner:

MR. KIRSCHNER: They sat down, they testified, and what they did is they incriminated Donald Trump, and I can tell you how.

MS. MILLER: Yeah, OK.

MR. KIRSCHNER: Here’s how. Keith Kellogg. OK, that was. Vice President Mike Pence’s national security adviser said in real time as the attack on the Capitol was in progress. “We all went into the Oval Office and told him, told the president, please call off the attack, condemn the violence. Stop your dogs.” Right? Paraphrasing that last one. and Donald Trump refused, according to Keith Kellogg, a retired military general and Pence’s national security adviser. He’s not as bad as many of the others that were in Trump’s orbit. And then, he said, I tried and failed. Mark Meadows tried and failed. Kayleigh McEnany tried and failed. Ivanka tried and failed, so we sent her back into the Oval Office a second time because she can be pretty tenacious, and she couldn’t get her father to stop the attack on the Capitol. Steph, that is a president in a very real way, waging war against the United States. Even his own daughter couldn’t stop him. That is deeply incriminating information. Presumably, it’s been provided by Ivanka under oath to the J-6 committee, and if I were prosecuting the case, she would be one of the very early witnesses I called because let Donald Trump’s attorney try to say “Ivanka? Yeah, she was the coffee girl, barely knew her, never met her. She’s incredible.” Let them try that. You know, that dog won’t hunt

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/msnbc-s-glenn-kirschner-says-ivanka-incriminated-donald-trump-to-jan-6-committee-and-i-can-tell-you-how/ar-AAW2MZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2316fe7479b746d28b0c2e415258971c

Ivanka tossing daddy under the bus sounds like a trump move to me.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

1. Well shit, he'd sure as hell throw HER under the bus.

[TheBlackAdder]

34. That's a given.

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[Aristus]

2. I guess she's finally out for revenge for all those "special nights" with Daddy.

[Celerity]

7. Daddy always had a thing for the maids

[3catwoman3]

17. Holy shit, that is FUGLY!

More proof that some fashion designers hate women.

[Retrograde]

33. It's the footwear

I don't know whether to call them shoes or boots or what. If not for them, the dress would be just meh, but those things on her feet take it to a whole new level of "what sort of model-hating person would design these?"

[calimary]

54. Looks like they make it harder to run when you're trying to escape danger.

It’d be REALLY easy to fall in those shoes and not easy to get back up quickly. You’d almost have to have help.

[Poiuyt]

21. She got those shoes from her father

He wants to look taller when he's standing next to Obama

[Celerity]

23. and failed

bonus

[BlueJac]

53. It looks like Obama is looking right through Trump's ears to see if his head is empty!

[peppertree]

26. How Roman Empire of them

Incest, then betrayal.

I wouldn't be shocked to hear that in the end, she smothers him with a pillow.

[Celerity]

29. Augustus Aurantiacus

[Qutzupalotl]

48. Lyre, lyre, 'phant's on fire?

[Celerity]

49. lol, well played

[cilla4progress]

3. I hope Glenn is right!

In a sane world, he would be!

I've come to the realization that we are going to be fighting this autocracy shit forever. It's just in human nature. Seems like on a macro scale at least evil outweighs good.

Not gonna give up, though!

I actually found some release in realizing this is an eternal battle.

[sarcasmo]

4. This explains Don's "health issue" that might stop him from running in 2024.

[Frustratedlady]

8. What's his health issue? Don't tease. n/t

[demmiblue]

11. From a WaPo interview:

Trump said it was true he had told advisers that his health would factor into whether he would run again in 2024 but that he was currently in good health.

“You always have to talk about health. You look like you’re in good health, but tomorrow, you get a letter from a doctor saying come see me again. That’s not good when they use the word again,” he said.

“I don’t want to comment on running, but I think a lot of people are going to be very happy by my decision,” he said, adding: “Because it’s a little boring now.”

[Frustratedlady]

12. Thank you. I hadn't seen that. A different way of grabbing the attention, but he's good at it. n/t

[homegirl]

16. If I lose..

it was fixed!!!

Same old, same old Trump lie in preparation for defeat or court case outcomes!!!

[NJCher]

60. Sure

It’s all about him and excitement.

We wouldn’t possibly want it to be about creating a fairer, inclusive, more equitable world.

[Kittycatkat]

40. I hope his health is so bad he dies a painful death NOW.

ok NOW.NOW.NOW.NOW.NOW...

[gldstwmn]

15. The only way he isn't running is if he's six feet under.

He'd try to run from prison or exile.

[jaxexpat]

22. Without the presidency or the threat that he'll run again, he's nothing to anybody that matters.

And he knows that above ALL else. The media, using the easiest hook in town, quotes whatever Trump, "the professional celebrity" has to say at any given time. He's the only president we've ever had who has admitted that he chooses his words by calculating against "whatever isn't boring".

Free press, free speech. Man, we've gotta' rethink some basic definitions of "American" concepts regarding social interactions. Being on the cutting edge of anything means we're talking about where the microscopic bits of waste naturally collect, you know.

[calimary]

56. Good point!

Your last paragraph is most thought-provoking.

[Tetrachloride]

5. My guess is she has a glimpse of a long future. Save her own neck now or

live the rest of her life as ….. something she really doesn’t want

[lindysalsagal]

6. And he'll retaliate against his daughter in 3...2...1...

I hope this is true.

[speak easy]

14. Yep. Make-up sex.

[PJMcK]

9. Imagine the phone call between Trump and Ivanka

I'm sure he grilled her about her testimony. He always has to know what's going on so he can dream up his new lies.

I bet Trump is getting nervous. I hope so.

[SergeStorms]

30. Jared testified before Ivanka, right?

I know Jared wasn't there. He was over putting the finishing touches on his Mid-East peace plan but I'm sure Ivanka told him all the sordid details.

Is it possible Jared already spilled the beans and Ivanka corroborated his testimony? "Daddy, I had to tell them the truth because your no-good son-in-law already dropped a dime on you". That would give her plausible deniability. It would put Jared in the deep freeze forever,, but I don't think he really cares..

Jared is familiar with family skullduggery, and I'm sure he sees Donny-boy for the piece of shit he is.

Just throwing stuff at the wall here to see if it sticks.

[Justice matters.]

32. His newest lie is he thought it was Nancy Pelosi's responsibility to stop them

and she didn't.

Never mind the fact that he WAS the President Of The United States and swore an oath to defend and protect the country from all enemies, foreign or domestic, plus that it was him who sent them there to begin with!

It's always someone else's fault for that orange anus, never his.

[PJMcK]

37. His newest (trivial) lie is about golf

Consider this: The former President of the United States told a lie about scoring an ace.

What a schmuck.

[SergeStorms]

38. After 348 days of golf....

while he was pResident the law of averages dictates he get one sooner or later. I know this was last week or something like that, if at all, but even a duffer like him gets lucky sometimes.

[PJMcK]

39. The odds of a hoe-in-one aren't really like that

An ace requires some of the greatest luck ever. The shot is generally somewhere between 125-250 yards and the ball has to find a hole only a little bigger than the ball itself. It's the ultimate freak shot!

I've played golf for 30 years with thousands of rounds in many parts of the world. In all that play, I got one in a most ridiculous fashion. We were playing in late March hitting into a 20 mph wind with a setting sun in our eyes. My tee shot was a line drive that I was certain hit the green and shot off the back where I went to search. One of my playing partners who was standing by the hole yelled to me, "Hey, jackass! You're buying!" It was a stupid shot that had very little skill involved. My point is that I've played thousands of par-3s, as have a great many golfers, without the ball finding the hole. As I wrote, it's the ultimate weirdo on the golf course.

Once before he was president, I played at the Trump course in NY's The Bronx. It was designed by Jack Nicklaus and by concession to the Trump Organization. It's a lovely course albeit somewhat gimmicky. The views of NYC and the Upper East River bridges are spectacular. On a par-3 hole, there was a bronze plaque stating that on the "Inaugural Round," Trump scored a one on the hole. It was quite obnoxious and ostentatious. Years later I learned that when Trump played the course, there were a dozen holes cut in many of the greens because the groundskeepers wanted to learn how balls would roll on the brand new greens. Trump's tee shot went into one of those holes, not the one with the flag stick.

As always, Trump lies.

[SergeStorms]

44. I've played since I was 12 years old.

I used to work summers at our local golf course. I was junior club champion at 15. Like you, I've played thousands of rounds in just about every state in the U.S.

I've never had a hole in one. Not once. I've come close dozens of times, but I've never had one go in the hole. I've had hundreds of eagles, two albatrosses, but never a hole in one.

I used to play in a league in the 80s with a bunch of duffers I worked with at the time, and this one guy had three aces in his life. This guy was horrible. I don't think he ever broke 90, but he had three aces, all on the same course, all on the same hole. It was a 178 yd. par 3, and he used a driver every time. I'd be hitting a 6 or 7 iron, depending on the wind, and he'd hit a driver and put it in the hole. The ball never got over 30 feet off the ground, and went 150 in the air and rolled the rest of the way in. I witnessed one of them, and I believe the guys he played with about the other two. Don Wagner was his name. Dead now.

So yeah, it's all luck for the average golfer. The pros are a different story. Those guys are so good they can repeatedly hit a ball from 150 yds. into a 10 foot circle.

I don't play anymore. A spinal fusion took care of that. I still miss it though, even dream about it at night. But there's two types of golfers, right? Those with back problems, and those who are going to have back problems. All that torque on the spine isn't natural.

Keep it in the short grass.

[dajoki]

57. Same here...

I started playing when I was a teenager and had to give it up in my mid fifties because of my back. Anyway I never got a hole in one but got close many times, I remember four times particularly where I came within inches and one of them was a grounder that rolled right through a trap on a downhill par 3. I miss the game but now I spend time with my grandsons playing baseball and football and nothing beats that.

[SergeStorms]

58. Grandchildren....

certainly make up for anything we lose of ourselves to old age.

I was standing on my grandson's Little League diamond yesterday and noticed how small it looked. It used to look huge when I was his age.
Perspective. It's all about one's perspective.

[dajoki]

59. You got it...

I have three grandsons between the ages of ten and fourteen and a four year old granddaughter and they bring me joy everyday. My oldest is playing teener ball and travel teams now and he is a beast, on the mound and with the bat(I taught him everything I know)ha, just bragging a bit. My other grandchildren don't live as close but I get to see them a lot and I love the four of them with all my heart.

[CrispyQ]

10. Since Jared got 666 Fifth Avenue bailed out, they don't really need Trump anymore.

I would love if she were the one to tell all.

[Hoyt]

13. Glad Kirshner is not prosecuting cases, he'd lose. trump's defense would respond

that he tweeted for "peace" within one hour and 40 minutes of the first attack on the Capitol steps.

"1 p.m.
An initial wave of protesters storms the outer police barrier around the Capitol.

"1:30 p.m.
On the steps on the backside of the Capitol, protesters overcome the police, who run back into the building. Protesters watching from the sidelines cheer as a mob breaks through the final police barricades.

Shortly after 2 p.m.
Protesters break windows and climb into the Capitol. They open doors for others to follow.

"2:24 p.m.
Trump tweets: "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution."
He continues with more baseless claims about a fraudulent election. [This is one area where trump is vulnerable for his actions during Jan 6th.]

"2:38 p.m.
Trump tweets again, calling for support of the Capitol Police and law enforcement. He urges people to "stay peaceful." But at that moment, inside the Capitol, the riot continues to unfold.

"3:36 p.m.
More than two hours after protesters first breached the Capitol grounds, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany tweets that Trump has ordered the National Guard to the Capitol.

"4:17 p.m.
Trump does not go on TV. Instead, he tweets a video talking to his supporters inside the Capitol. "I know your pain. I know your hurt," he begins. "We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You've seen the way others are treated. ... I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace."

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/05/1069977469/a-timeline-of-how-the-jan-6-attack-unfolded-including-who-said-what-and-when


Note: Other sources indicate actual entering the Capitol did not occur until 2:00 pm.
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2021/01/06/dc-protests-capitol-riot-trump-supporters-electoral-college-stolen-election/6568305002/


trump was, and is, clearly incompetent to hold office. But, in court, Kirschner would lose and trump would win again. To convict trump, we are still left with having to show trump directly conspired with those that stormed the Capitol. And no one has come close to providing evidence of that.

Even though I am sure trump would have conspired with Proud Boyz and rube militias if given a chance, that wouldn't hold up in court either.

[onenote]

25. +1

[3catwoman3]

18. TFG has a lways wanted to...

...f&ck his daughter (and maybe has.) Now she can get him back.

[TheRickles]

19. Did Ivanka actually testify under oath?

Glenn said "presumably", but that leaves open the possibility that she just BS'd the committee.

[Ohio Joe]

46. Lying to congress is a felony

Being under oath does not matter. Few have ever been charged though as it is tough to prove.

[H2O Man]

20. Recommended.

Reading certain things brings a big grin to my old & wrinkled face. This is a great example. Thank you for posting it.

[Strelnikov_]

24. Merry Fitzmas! n/t

[hoosierspud]

27. There was an article in Vanity Fair at the beginning

Of the Truman administration which interviewed Ivanka and Jared's social contacts. The consensus was that if push came to shove, Ivanka would choose Jared over Daddy.

[vanlassie]

28. Trump not Truman.

[SergeStorms]

35. Ivanka doesn't need Daddy's money.

She married a rich ( by inheritance) man.

Now, Don Jr., Eric, Tiffany, and Barron are screwed, because "Mommy" Malaria is going to get the lion's share of Donny's cheese (whatever cheese there is). I'm sure they'll inherit enough to keep a normal person quite comfortable for their entire life, but those spoiled little ne'er-do-wells are far from normal.

[C Moon]

31. I don't trust her. My first thought is that she's being used to throw a wrench into the works

Or even to find out what they do or don't know.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

41. I Would Say She Was Planning To Recant At Trial, But She Was Under Oath

If she recants at trial, that's perjury. And she doesn't have Daddy to throw her a pardon.

[C Moon]

45. +1

[Ohio Joe]

47. This was testimony to 1/6 committee...

Being under oath does not matter. Lying to them is perjury:

Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s longtime personal attorney, has joined a fairly short list of people who’ve been charged with lying to Congress — a club so exclusive in part because the crime can be very difficult to prove.

That's despite the fact that it isn't just a federal crime to lie to Congress while under oath — considered the “general perjury" statute — it’s also illegal to make false statements to Congress even if you're not under oath.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/5-people-who-lied-congress-what-happened-them-n941936

[everyonematters]

36. Here is the big question.

Will they be able to acquire a jury that will convict Trump. All it takes is one Trump supporter who refuses. If Ivanka lies, with all the other people that are cooperating, she would be going to jail. She is counting on the fact that her father will never be convicted.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. Need one good prosecutor first??

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. What's really sad is they do all these horrific things that should be

"the end" immediately. Even R's know that. And they are thanking their lucky stars that each moment away from yet another travesty, puts them in a better position.

Hell they were all sharpening their resumes when FG fired Comey. Hell it's been almost 15 months since then j6 travesty. If you can get away with overthrowing the government you can get away with anything

[Takket]

50. nice bit of pandering to provide clicks from Dems, but there is no chance in HELL

Ivanka said anything of the sort, and if she was asked to, she plead the 5th.

[CrackityJones75]

51. Nothing there to get him with unfortunately.

He will get away with saying that he was allowing the authorities on the scene to handle it.

There has to be direct coordination and a direct order to the insurrectionists to get him with I am afraid.

I don’t believe “We are going to walk to the capitol” is going to cut it. Unless there is evidence that he instructed someone to lead an attack on the capitol he will get away with it. It makes me sick to my stomach that they can do this.

[tecelote]

52. This.

Steph, that is a president in a very real way, waging war against the United States.

[Captain Zero]

55. Yep. Ivanka had to deal with it being told that

She was sent in TWICE.
What else is she going to do but testify against him.
He brought it on himself.