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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI spoke with Don Siegelman today.
He welcomed his first grandchild yesterday.
hlthe2b
(102,319 posts)political effort to destroy your life is something I can't fathom. May the days going forward be good ones and for the Karl Roves and others involved... karma.
dmr
(28,347 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,627 posts)It'll always make me angry but I'm glad he's found joy in his life.
blm
(113,074 posts)mahina
(17,681 posts)I remember he was charged and prosecuted for completely bogus nonsense which was so cynical and so dark and we kept waiting for him to win and be released but it never happened and I think he had to serve his whole term? But I dont remember what the BS was they charged him with. I remember that it was something that they did worse than he ever did and he had no bad intention and was a very honorable person. Thank you for reminding me. I checked Google first but I couldnt find anything.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,627 posts)Donald Eugene Siegelman (/ˈsiːɡəlmən/; born February 24, 1946) is a former American politician, lawyer and convicted felon who was the 51st governor of Alabama from 1999 until his unsuccessful re-election in 2003.
He served one term as the governor from 1999 to 2003. As of 2022, Siegelman is the last member of the Democratic Party, as well as the only Roman Catholic, to serve as Governor of Alabama.
Siegelman is the only person in Alabama's history to be elected to serve in all four of the top statewide elected offices: Secretary of State, Attorney General, Lieutenant Governor and Governor. He served in Alabama politics for 26 years.
In 2006 Siegelman was convicted on federal felony corruption charges and sentenced to seven years in federal prison. Following the trial, however, many questions were raised by both Democrats and Republicans, about allegations of prosecutorial misconduct in his case.
On March 6, 2009, the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld key bribery, conspiracy and obstruction counts against Siegelman and refused his request for a new trial.[citation needed]
In October 2015, more than 100 former attorneys general and officials, both Democratic and Republican, contended that his prosecution was marred by prosecutorial misconduct; they have petitioned the United States Supreme Court to review the case. Siegelman was released from prison on February 8, 2017, and was on supervised probation until it ended in June 2019.
Much more at the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Siegelman#2002_election_controversy
Also see post 6 in this thread
mahina
(17,681 posts)Thanks for the recap as it has been a long time
MustLoveBeagles
(11,627 posts)I remembered only a little bit about it and had to look it up.
montanacowboy
(6,097 posts)is no Democratic President ever pardoned him. I just find that unfathomable.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,928 posts)it's not like we have Democratic Presidents do the right thing as far as pardons.
montanacowboy
(6,097 posts)He never should have gone to prison in the first place
rpannier
(24,330 posts)It's possible he refused to consider one because he believed/knows he did nothing wrong
former9thward
(32,044 posts)He did request a pardon.
Obama denies pardon request for former Alabama governor
MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) President Barack Obama has denied a clemency petition from former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman, who is nearing the end of a prison sentence for bribery and obstruction of justice.
Attorneys for the former governor were informed of the decision Thursday in a letter from the Department of Justice office of the pardon attorney. The letter did not list a reason for the denial.
The 70-year-old Democrat is serving a 6½ year sentence for bribery and obstruction of justice in a federal prison in Louisiana.
The decision was a blow to supporters who had long hoped the president would free the incarcerated governor as one of his final acts in office. Siegelmans attorney, Gregory B. Craig, and the ex-governors son, Joseph Siegelman, did not immediately respond to emailed requests for comment.
https://apnews.com/article/75b9218a217848fa8462f8abcb916511
Celerity
(43,458 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,627 posts)That man was railroaded.
mnmoderatedem
(3,728 posts)and trump walks free.
No justice
brooklynite
(94,642 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)Has that changed? Did we miss the perp walk?
brooklynite
(94,642 posts)Do you agree?
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)because it says "and trump walks free." Currently, he does. Holds rallies to keep up his grift, in fact.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,627 posts)If anyone deserves happiness in his life it's him.
brooklynite
(94,642 posts)...I'm going to rely on the judgement of President's Obama and Biden, and their respective Attorney's General.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)That really doesn't seem odd?
If you didn't follow what happened to Siegelman, and why it's not just people here but 100 Democratic and Republican Attorneys General (you know, those officeholders who should be relied upon) here's a write-up that summarizes it fairly succinctly.
https://citizensvotingny.org/news-blog/fbbuqly0jd5h9pb6hhmd78hikqgs7h
He did nothing others hadn't done. Except not be quiet about the election being stolen out from under him.
brooklynite
(94,642 posts)We're not talking about throwing someone in jail. We're talking about DOJ officials who presented a case sufficient to achieve a jury conviction. "other people did it" isn't an excuse if he actually did what he was accused of. And unless you're accusing Obama and Biden DOJ officials of joining in on the supposed conspiracy, I'll go with their judgement.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)but I have no words for anyone who could be familiar with what happened to Siegelman and be willing to put on blinders and be OK with it.
It wasn't just a prosecution, it was a clear political persecution.
I hadn't heard or thought about this for a while, but I'm not alone in wanting an explanation for why any Democrats took the side of Karl Rove, the Canary's and the Bush crime family.
brooklynite
(94,642 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)why would they answer me?
Amazing, that it causes no curiosity whatsoever.
dsc
(52,164 posts)I wouldn't mind living in a world where people who give money to politicians aren't appointed to political boards by them but that clearly isn't the world we live in. I understand why Obama didn't expend the political capital in this case during his term and even understand why he didn't have it as a last minute pardon, but that doesn't make this right. And given the SCOTUS ruling in the case against McConnel of VA I can't fathom how this conduct is illegal.