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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow Joe Manchin Knifed the Democrats -- and Bailed on Saving Democracy
Rolling Stone/Andy Kroll
A dirt-farming rural Democrat knows better than to overhype. So it came as a surprise when, one day this winter, Tester showed up visibly excited at the office of his friend Michael Bennet, one of Colorados two Democratic senators, to share a tantalizing piece of information.
I think were gonna get this voting-rights thing done, he said to Bennet.
You got to be kidding me, Bennet said.
Read more: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/joe-manchin-biden-filibuster-voting-rights-1334582/#recipient_hashed=343cd82b65085ef1666aa5d5e417dc33ae72e7edfab338feb9bf59e12dc0fa95
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)should read every word, then apologize to those who were on to him and Sinema the whole time.
Between this piece, and the continuing news of his corruption, I don't know how anyone can be surprise by his actions or defend them.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)LaMouffette
(2,039 posts)Manchin and Sinema are beyond hope. The only way we will get around their loyalty to the Republican Party and get a voting rights bill passed is by electing a super majority of Democratic senators.
dsc
(52,166 posts)The fact is Manchin, Sinema, and Biden all have blame here. Sinema's unprofessional behavior above all was like my students when they were on remote instruction.
Fuck no.
Unless you mean he should apply very painful pressure to SineManchin. I would agree with that.
dsc
(52,166 posts)and to be fair the evidence suggests it is accurate in that regard.
Mad_Machine76
(24,436 posts)Manchin and Sinema could have bolted over to the GOP and then we wouldnt have Jackson (or anybody to replace Breyer)
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)But if the GQP takes control thanks to their unchecked theft efforts, it's all for naught.
Mad_Machine76
(24,436 posts)but there's not much that can be/could have been done I don't think. Manchin and Sinema strung us all along last year. Best we can hope for is to increase our representation in the Senate so that they are not able to preen and pose for the cameras while they kill the Biden Democratic agenda.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)dsc
(52,166 posts)I literally think she is behaving like a teenager. I will say, I used to have less problem with Manchin who I considered a misguided but overall straight playing politician. Turns out I was wrong on that score. Biden does deserve some blame here, for not making voting rights enough of a priority but clearing Sinema was never going to listen let alone budge. Equally clearly Manchin was not going to make her stand alone, though I think Biden could have worked him harder and convinced him on voting rights. But Manchin didn't play this straight.
Lunabell
(6,105 posts)can I at least slut shame him?
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)Without Manchin, Judge Jackson would not have been confirmed by the Senate
Link to tweet
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/?cid=social_twitter_abcnp
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)but what would make me happy is a Dem who votes in the interests of his constituents, rather than his fossil fuel business and big donors.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)Manchin is the only Democrat who could win in West Virginia and I am glad that he is voting for judges and with Biden. Without Manchin, MVP Harris would not be breaking ties in the Senate.
Do you really want Manchin to change parties? What purpose does your complaints serve in the real world? Why would Manchin care about your complaints? I am really curious.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)For example, we know that Manchin's main motivator is naked greed.
Find a way to buy out his fossil fuel enterprises in the name of green energy. Convert coal-mine-flattened mountaintops into wind farms - they are perfect for it, and WV is in the middle of a huge electricity market. Buy Manchin's thousands of leaky old gas wells, and pay his company to cap them off. Put a few creative minds on this. It's that important.
lame54
(35,317 posts)On the verge of changing parties?
Nobody likes the guy who threatens to take his ball and go home
They put up with him to keep the game going but they don't like him
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)I want to see as many judges confirmed as possible and driving Manchin out of the power will stop this process
There is no way that another Democrat could have won in West Virginia and Manchin may well lose in 2024. I simply do not understand the purpose of trying to get Manchin to change parties. We need to get as many judges confirmed as possible
lame54
(35,317 posts)Him changing parties would be extremely petty and selfish
You act like we should praise him for being a part time democrat
Thank you, Joe Manchin. May I have another?
newdayneeded
(1,956 posts)We have a majority in the Senate, but needed the VP to cast the tie breaker votes at a soon to be record pace!
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)There are 100 senators, and 50 senators is not a majority. Without Manchin's vote the GOP would have a majority.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)people who will die due to climate change.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)appointing judges makes them political. They should have to apply and be hired or fired on their own merit. Neither coney dog or boof boy would have gotten their jobs had they not been appointed by an idiot and confirmed by assholes who have weaponized the courts. Lifetime appointment should end. When those rules were made educated people and lawyers were rare so a lifetime appointment made sense. Now they are a dime a dozen.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)We have elected judges in Texas and that is a pain. The current federal system is a pain by it is not going to change without an amendment to the Constitution
Autumn
(45,120 posts)We elect judges here, nothing to it. Yes or no. We even have a web site where we can look at their history and their performance evaluations to make our decisions. I imagine that would be way too hard for Texas to do.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)The Court of Criminal Appeals (the highest criminal court) and the Texas Supreme Court (highest civil court) each are all GOP judges. Dallas county flipped to blue in 2006 and Harris County in 2016 and so the GOP banned straight ticket voting. With Judicial races, there were over 90 races on the ballot in Harris County.
I voted a while back on the state party and the Harris County judicial preference polls, but these polls are largely ignored by voters. I had a good friend running for a court of appeals slot (for 14 counties) who won both polls but lost because her opponent was the first name on the ballot in the large counties. We just organized a statewide organization for Democratic Lawyers and a panel spent some time developing a uniform questionnaire for judicial candidates that will be available ln 2024.
Voting for judges is no answer and would not work on the federal level
former9thward
(32,068 posts)The vote was 53-47 not 50-50
dsc
(52,166 posts)which in a GOP controlled Senate is unlikely.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)If MoscowMitch was senate majority leader, then Jackson's nomination would suffer the same fate as Garland's nomination
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)If Manchin was caucusing with the GOP, then MoscowMitch would be Senate Majority leader and this nomination would have suffered the same fate as Garland's nomination.
We need Manchin to caucus with the Democratic Party to keep Senator Schumer in control of the Senate
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)He absolutely shits on the important stuff. Let's not pretend differently.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,496 posts)If Manchin was not a Democrat, then MoscowMitch would be senate majority leader and Jackson's nomination would never make it to the judiciary committee of the floor of the Senate. You do remember what MoscowMitch did to Garland?
Autumn
(45,120 posts)have sat it out, it was 53-to-47.