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ificandream

(9,385 posts)
Sun Apr 10, 2022, 08:24 PM Apr 2022

How Joe Manchin Knifed the Democrats -- and Bailed on Saving Democracy

Rolling Stone/Andy Kroll

“Giddy” is not a word people use to describe Jon Tester. The towering senior U.S. senator from Montana is blunt and pragmatic. In the halls of Congress, he’s one of the last surviving rural Democrats. When he’s not in Washington, D.C., Tester runs a dirt farm in Montana that’s been in his family for three generations.

A dirt-farming rural Democrat knows better than to overhype. So it came as a surprise when, one day this winter, Tester showed up visibly excited at the office of his friend Michael Bennet, one of Colorado’s two Democratic senators, to share a tantalizing piece of information.

“I think we’re gonna get this voting-rights thing done,” he said to Bennet.

“You got to be kidding me,” Bennet said.


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How Joe Manchin Knifed the Democrats -- and Bailed on Saving Democracy (Original Post) ificandream Apr 2022 OP
An excellent article. Every defender of the Maserati-driving Manchin FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #1
a reminder. . . FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #4
Excellent (if devastating) article! Thank you for posting. LaMouffette Apr 2022 #2
This is so infuriating dsc Apr 2022 #3
Biden? lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #11
He didn't apply enough pressure if the article is accurate dsc Apr 2022 #12
How much pressure? Mad_Machine76 Apr 2022 #17
I know. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #19
They screwed us badly no doubt Mad_Machine76 Apr 2022 #22
It's almost impossible to read that and not emerge with a deep, seething anger in regards to Celerity Apr 2022 #5
I am appalled by Sinema's behavior and demeanor as a Senator dsc Apr 2022 #6
If I can't criticize a Democrat, Lunabell Apr 2022 #7
Manchin voted with Biden 95.5% LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #8
But when it came down to the most vital votes, he said FUCK YOU AMERICA. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #13
Joe Biden has successfully appointed a record number of judges the federal courts. LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #16
I know. But when Biden said "Let my people vote" Manchin told him to pound sand. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #18
So you would be happier if Joe did not get any judges confirmed? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #21
Hilarious. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #25
LOL You do realize that MVP Harris has broken 16 ties so far LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #27
Don't know why you made that preposterous statement about what would make me happy, lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #36
Attacking Manchin serves no purpose unless you want him to change parties LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #37
It's not only about the stick; there can be carrots too. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #38
You're defending a guy who's perpetually... lame54 Apr 2022 #41
Manchin will only change parties if forced to LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #42
Being personally insulted is in no way being forced... lame54 Apr 2022 #44
Let that sink in.... newdayneeded Apr 2022 #39
50 Senators is not a majority. LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #40
44 days in office, Vice President Kamala Harris has now cast three-tie breaking votes, LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #28
MVP Harris Casts Tie Breaking Vote to Pass President Biden's $1.9T Covid Relief Bill LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #29
Yes. Just not when it comes to saving democracy, the only planet we have and the millions of Autumn Apr 2022 #14
Without Manchen, these judges would not have been confirmed LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #15
I am of the opinion that we would be far better off if judges were not appointed. A president Autumn Apr 2022 #23
You do realize that to change this you would need to amend the US Constitution LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #30
I am well aware of that. It doesn't change my opinion about it one fucking bit. Autumn Apr 2022 #32
In voter suppressed Texas, election of judges is a problem LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #34
Yes, she would have been confirmed without his vote. former9thward Apr 2022 #24
Only if she got a hearing dsc Apr 2022 #43
I agree LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #47
You are WRONG LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #46
We didn't need his vote on Jackson, but you know that. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #26
You are WRONG LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #45
She certainly would have been confirmed without him. Three Republicans crossed over. He could Autumn Apr 2022 #33
Joe, is that you?????? nt Hotler Apr 2022 #48
can't read it / paywall. i'm thinking of subscribing. is the article worth it? nt orleans Apr 2022 #9
I'm not a subscriber and I was able to see it. ificandream Apr 2022 #10
Here Celerity Apr 2022 #20
thank you! nt orleans Apr 2022 #35
In just over a year, and currently, MVP Harris is in 5th place for Most tie breaking votes cast, LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #31
Joe is about to announce more judicial appointments today LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #49

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
1. An excellent article. Every defender of the Maserati-driving Manchin
Sun Apr 10, 2022, 08:40 PM
Apr 2022

should read every word, then apologize to those who were on to him and Sinema the whole time.

Between this piece, and the continuing news of his corruption, I don't know how anyone can be surprise by his actions or defend them.

LaMouffette

(2,039 posts)
2. Excellent (if devastating) article! Thank you for posting.
Sun Apr 10, 2022, 08:43 PM
Apr 2022

Manchin and Sinema are beyond hope. The only way we will get around their loyalty to the Republican Party and get a voting rights bill passed is by electing a super majority of Democratic senators.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
3. This is so infuriating
Sun Apr 10, 2022, 08:45 PM
Apr 2022

The fact is Manchin, Sinema, and Biden all have blame here. Sinema's unprofessional behavior above all was like my students when they were on remote instruction.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
11. Biden?
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 12:13 PM
Apr 2022

Fuck no.

Unless you mean he should apply very painful pressure to SineManchin. I would agree with that.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
12. He didn't apply enough pressure if the article is accurate
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 12:15 PM
Apr 2022

and to be fair the evidence suggests it is accurate in that regard.

Mad_Machine76

(24,436 posts)
17. How much pressure?
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 02:48 PM
Apr 2022

Manchin and Sinema could have bolted over to the GOP and then we wouldn’t have Jackson (or anybody to replace Breyer)

Mad_Machine76

(24,436 posts)
22. They screwed us badly no doubt
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 03:14 PM
Apr 2022

but there's not much that can be/could have been done I don't think. Manchin and Sinema strung us all along last year. Best we can hope for is to increase our representation in the Senate so that they are not able to preen and pose for the cameras while they kill the Biden Democratic agenda.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
6. I am appalled by Sinema's behavior and demeanor as a Senator
Sun Apr 10, 2022, 10:32 PM
Apr 2022

I literally think she is behaving like a teenager. I will say, I used to have less problem with Manchin who I considered a misguided but overall straight playing politician. Turns out I was wrong on that score. Biden does deserve some blame here, for not making voting rights enough of a priority but clearing Sinema was never going to listen let alone budge. Equally clearly Manchin was not going to make her stand alone, though I think Biden could have worked him harder and convinced him on voting rights. But Manchin didn't play this straight.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,496 posts)
16. Joe Biden has successfully appointed a record number of judges the federal courts.
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 02:44 PM
Apr 2022

Without Manchin, few if any of these judges would have been confirmed


LetMyPeopleVote

(145,496 posts)
21. So you would be happier if Joe did not get any judges confirmed?
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 03:12 PM
Apr 2022

Manchin is the only Democrat who could win in West Virgina


LetMyPeopleVote

(145,496 posts)
27. LOL You do realize that MVP Harris has broken 16 ties so far
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 06:34 PM
Apr 2022

MVP Harris is on track to break the most ties in history


lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
36. Don't know why you made that preposterous statement about what would make me happy,
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 11:35 PM
Apr 2022

but what would make me happy is a Dem who votes in the interests of his constituents, rather than his fossil fuel business and big donors.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,496 posts)
37. Attacking Manchin serves no purpose unless you want him to change parties
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 02:32 AM
Apr 2022

Manchin is the only Democrat who could win in West Virginia and I am glad that he is voting for judges and with Biden. Without Manchin, MVP Harris would not be breaking ties in the Senate.

Do you really want Manchin to change parties? What purpose does your complaints serve in the real world? Why would Manchin care about your complaints? I am really curious.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
38. It's not only about the stick; there can be carrots too.
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 09:02 AM
Apr 2022

For example, we know that Manchin's main motivator is naked greed.

Find a way to buy out his fossil fuel enterprises in the name of green energy. Convert coal-mine-flattened mountaintops into wind farms - they are perfect for it, and WV is in the middle of a huge electricity market. Buy Manchin's thousands of leaky old gas wells, and pay his company to cap them off. Put a few creative minds on this. It's that important.

lame54

(35,317 posts)
41. You're defending a guy who's perpetually...
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 02:48 PM
Apr 2022

On the verge of changing parties?

Nobody likes the guy who threatens to take his ball and go home

They put up with him to keep the game going but they don't like him

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,496 posts)
42. Manchin will only change parties if forced to
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 02:54 PM
Apr 2022

I want to see as many judges confirmed as possible and driving Manchin out of the power will stop this process

There is no way that another Democrat could have won in West Virginia and Manchin may well lose in 2024. I simply do not understand the purpose of trying to get Manchin to change parties. We need to get as many judges confirmed as possible

lame54

(35,317 posts)
44. Being personally insulted is in no way being forced...
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 03:05 PM
Apr 2022

Him changing parties would be extremely petty and selfish

You act like we should praise him for being a part time democrat

Thank you, Joe Manchin. May I have another?

newdayneeded

(1,956 posts)
39. Let that sink in....
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 01:40 PM
Apr 2022

We have a majority in the Senate, but needed the VP to cast the tie breaker votes at a soon to be record pace!

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,496 posts)
40. 50 Senators is not a majority.
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 01:46 PM
Apr 2022

There are 100 senators, and 50 senators is not a majority. Without Manchin's vote the GOP would have a majority.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
14. Yes. Just not when it comes to saving democracy, the only planet we have and the millions of
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 12:51 PM
Apr 2022

people who will die due to climate change.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
23. I am of the opinion that we would be far better off if judges were not appointed. A president
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 03:31 PM
Apr 2022

appointing judges makes them political. They should have to apply and be hired or fired on their own merit. Neither coney dog or boof boy would have gotten their jobs had they not been appointed by an idiot and confirmed by assholes who have weaponized the courts. Lifetime appointment should end. When those rules were made educated people and lawyers were rare so a lifetime appointment made sense. Now they are a dime a dozen.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,496 posts)
30. You do realize that to change this you would need to amend the US Constitution
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 06:44 PM
Apr 2022

We have elected judges in Texas and that is a pain. The current federal system is a pain by it is not going to change without an amendment to the Constitution

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
32. I am well aware of that. It doesn't change my opinion about it one fucking bit.
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 07:06 PM
Apr 2022

We elect judges here, nothing to it. Yes or no. We even have a web site where we can look at their history and their performance evaluations to make our decisions. I imagine that would be way too hard for Texas to do.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,496 posts)
34. In voter suppressed Texas, election of judges is a problem
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 07:18 PM
Apr 2022

The Court of Criminal Appeals (the highest criminal court) and the Texas Supreme Court (highest civil court) each are all GOP judges. Dallas county flipped to blue in 2006 and Harris County in 2016 and so the GOP banned straight ticket voting. With Judicial races, there were over 90 races on the ballot in Harris County.

I voted a while back on the state party and the Harris County judicial preference polls, but these polls are largely ignored by voters. I had a good friend running for a court of appeals slot (for 14 counties) who won both polls but lost because her opponent was the first name on the ballot in the large counties. We just organized a statewide organization for Democratic Lawyers and a panel spent some time developing a uniform questionnaire for judicial candidates that will be available ln 2024.

Voting for judges is no answer and would not work on the federal level

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,496 posts)
47. I agree
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:03 AM
Apr 2022

If MoscowMitch was senate majority leader, then Jackson's nomination would suffer the same fate as Garland's nomination

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,496 posts)
46. You are WRONG
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:02 AM
Apr 2022

If Manchin was caucusing with the GOP, then MoscowMitch would be Senate Majority leader and this nomination would have suffered the same fate as Garland's nomination.

We need Manchin to caucus with the Democratic Party to keep Senator Schumer in control of the Senate

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
26. We didn't need his vote on Jackson, but you know that.
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 04:24 PM
Apr 2022

He absolutely shits on the important stuff. Let's not pretend differently.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,496 posts)
45. You are WRONG
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:00 AM
Apr 2022

If Manchin was not a Democrat, then MoscowMitch would be senate majority leader and Jackson's nomination would never make it to the judiciary committee of the floor of the Senate. You do remember what MoscowMitch did to Garland?

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
33. She certainly would have been confirmed without him. Three Republicans crossed over. He could
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 07:11 PM
Apr 2022

have sat it out, it was 53-to-47.

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