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kpete

(72,018 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 05:41 PM Apr 2022

Capitol Rioter Says Trump 'Authorized' Capitol Attack

“An attorney for a man who took a coat rack and a bottle of liquor during the U.S. Capitol attack argued to a jury on Tuesday that former President Donald Trump ‘authorized’ the Jan. 6 assault on the building by convincing ‘vulnerable’ people like his client that the election was stolen,” NBC News reports.

.....Shamansky argued, the "genesis" of the attack began months before Jan. 6, and responsibility fell at the feet of Trump, who "authorized this assault" on the Capitol.

"It was a plot, it was a scheme, it was a conspiracy... that began at the highest levels of our government," Shamansky argued.

Thompson and other "vulnerable" Trump supporters like him "believed the lies that were fed to them" in the months leading up to Jan. 6, Shamansky argued. Thompson was "predisposed" to "this lunacy," Shamansky said, but losing his job at the beginning of the Covid pandemic left him sitting at home to digest the "garbage" that Trump and his supporters were spreading.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-authorized-assault-capitol-jan-6-defendant-argues-trial-rcna24118
https://politicalwire.com/2022/04/12/capitol-rioter-says-trump-authorized-capitol-attack/

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Capitol Rioter Says Trump 'Authorized' Capitol Attack (Original Post) kpete Apr 2022 OP
We knew this, because they're not bright enough to organize that mess alone. lindysalsagal Apr 2022 #1
It's what authoritarians do Blue Owl Apr 2022 #2
I fail to see how this qualifies as a legal defense. Nevilledog Apr 2022 #3
It's Like A "Yeah, I Shot Him..." ProfessorGAC Apr 2022 #4
I always called these "Long-form guilty pleas" Nevilledog Apr 2022 #7
"Members of the jury, my client is an ignorant ass hat." intheflow Apr 2022 #24
It's not. It's an excuse not a defense. TomSlick Apr 2022 #13
It's the "he made me do it" defense AZLD4Candidate Apr 2022 #17
Nevertheless, I'm real glad he's doing it this way. dchill Apr 2022 #20
I was home during covid, having retired in May, following rsdsharp Apr 2022 #5
does it bother anyone that all of the trials are happening in secret hydrolastic Apr 2022 #6
They're not being done in secret. Nevilledog Apr 2022 #8
Dustin Thompson is being tried in federal court gratuitous Apr 2022 #25
When one chooses to consume alcohol and then get behind the wheel MissMillie Apr 2022 #9
This is similar to the "a gun is just a tool" defense by gun nuts. AZLD4Candidate Apr 2022 #19
Ignorance of the the law is not a legal excuse. kentuck Apr 2022 #10
I don't understand why the DOJ didn't start with the guy who Emile Apr 2022 #11
Because that's not how prosecutors work. TomSlick Apr 2022 #14
Does it bother anyone else that all of the trials are happening in secret hydrolastic Apr 2022 #12
What makes you think the trials are happening in secret? TomSlick Apr 2022 #16
Ok then where can I go to see this then ? hydrolastic Apr 2022 #21
Search https://pacer.uscourts.gov/ for the court and name of the defendant. TomSlick Apr 2022 #22
Dude, you posted this twice. ShazzieB Apr 2022 #18
Trump should come and testify for these people. Kingofalldems Apr 2022 #15
Coatrack Nabber Traitors (R) Achilleaze Apr 2022 #23

ProfessorGAC

(65,191 posts)
4. It's Like A "Yeah, I Shot Him..."
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 05:56 PM
Apr 2022

..."but it was Mike's gun!" defense.
I'm thinking it probably won't work.

rsdsharp

(9,202 posts)
5. I was home during covid, having retired in May, following
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 05:57 PM
Apr 2022

an illness that began in early March 2020. I didn’t believe Trump. I didn’t then, I didn’t before, and I don’t now.

hydrolastic

(488 posts)
6. does it bother anyone that all of the trials are happening in secret
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 05:58 PM
Apr 2022

I mean really if it is so important that democracy depends on a good outcome. How come its all being done in secret?

MissMillie

(38,581 posts)
9. When one chooses to consume alcohol and then get behind the wheel
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 06:04 PM
Apr 2022

they don't get to blame the alcohol or claim victim-hood.

This shouldn't be any different.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
10. Ignorance of the the law is not a legal excuse.
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 06:16 PM
Apr 2022

If someone tells me that the bank downtown robbed my Grandpa of all his money and they want to get it back and they want me to drive the getaway car, and they pull the stockings down over their faces before they barge in, then it would be difficult for me to plead that I was "used" by the bank robbers...

Emile

(22,935 posts)
11. I don't understand why the DOJ didn't start with the guy who
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 06:20 PM
Apr 2022

orchestrated the insurrection. Instead he goes after these ignorant assholes!

TomSlick

(11,109 posts)
14. Because that's not how prosecutors work.
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 08:26 PM
Apr 2022

You start at the bottom of the chain-of-command and work your way up - flipping folks as you go.

hydrolastic

(488 posts)
12. Does it bother anyone else that all of the trials are happening in secret
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 08:20 PM
Apr 2022

I mean really if it is so important that democracy depends on a good outcome. How come its all being done in secret? meanwhile while we wait for someone to determine what we "can" hear, the Republicans are running roughshod all over us. Its been well over a year and we all saw the crimes as they were committed!!!! I am more than frustrated. Its clear he was trying to subvert the American public and stay in power any way possible.

TomSlick

(11,109 posts)
16. What makes you think the trials are happening in secret?
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 08:29 PM
Apr 2022

The cases are all listed on the Court's docket which can be accessed on the internet if you know the defendant's name. Most hearings will be open to the public, for anyone willing to work through courthouse security.

The issue is that these low level cases are not being reported in the media, at least not until after any hearing or trial.

hydrolastic

(488 posts)
21. Ok then where can I go to see this then ?
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 05:54 AM
Apr 2022

Is there a website tracking the trials? Can we hear witnesses. Who is on the stand? Thank you in advance.

ShazzieB

(16,529 posts)
18. Dude, you posted this twice.
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 08:36 PM
Apr 2022

Not the exact same wording, but the same issue. And the answer is still the same: these trials are not being held "in secret."

Kingofalldems

(38,485 posts)
15. Trump should come and testify for these people.
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 08:29 PM
Apr 2022

Oh wait, he regards them as trash so that won't happen.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
23. Coatrack Nabber Traitors (R)
Wed Apr 13, 2022, 01:46 PM
Apr 2022

Can be lumped in with all the other Republican traitors following the treasonous direction of the Republican Casino-Hustler & Pooty-Puppet-in-Chief.

Republicans gots many flavors of traitors.

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