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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums17 L.A. gangs have sent out crews to follow and rob city's wealthiest, LAPD says
and if and when they are caught they get a slap on the wrist and released. This is maddening.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-04-12/17-gangs-targeting-los-angeles-mega-rich
Theres no chance or opportunity for these victims even to comply. Theyre just running up to people and attacking them, whether thats putting a gun in their face or punching them and beating on them, Tippet said. Pistol whipping them as well.
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In my 34 years on the job, Ive never seen anything like this, he said.
The trend, in a city known for opulence as well as extreme poverty, comes at a time when crime overall is under a microscope with homicides, shootings and armed robberies all at elevated levels since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic and candidates in the citys ongoing mayoral race denouncing those increases as they vie for voters and wealthy donors.
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Adams, according to Moore, was involved in eight separate follow-off robberies over a sixth-month period starting last fall, including one in which two UCLA students were robbed of two watches worth nearly $145,000 after leaving a club, a second in which two foreign tourists were robbed of watches worth $73,000, and a third in which $51,000 in property was stolen.
During the course of the eight robberies, which occurred between September and February, Adams was arrested three times. The first time was on Jan. 9, when Moore said Adams was found in a car that had been used in one of the robberies and where a gun was also found. Online court records show no charges were ever filed against Adams in that case, suggesting prosecutors were unconvinced they could win a conviction.
Adams was arrested again on Jan. 27 and a third time on Feb. 21, and in both cases charged with illegal gun possession. Court records show he was ordered released each time without having to pay bail. The reason was a pandemic-related rule, aimed at reducing the jail population, that requires L.A. County defendants to be released without posting bail for certain offenses.
Adams, who could not be reached for comment, has since been arrested a fourth time on charges related to seven robberies, to which he has pleaded not guilty.
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In a separate case, a man named Cheyenne Hale, 25, was arrested this month on suspicion of participating in the armed robbery of a man in downtown L.A. in October in which two watches estimated to be worth about $600,000 were stolen.
Police said they recovered a loaded gun from Hale during his arrest and that detectives in Tippets unit later found seven additional handguns, $21,000 in cash and a large quantity of drugs including cocaine and methamphetamine when they served a search warrant at Hales home.
Nonetheless, Hale who could not be reached for comment has since been released from custody, according to court records.
aocommunalpunch
(4,245 posts)I feel like the middle class is like wetlands, helping keep the peace between the upper and lower classes. In destroying those wetlands, the upper parts of the crust are left open to the wild desires of the ocean. The results can be ugly. Maybe a silly analogy, but desperate people do desperate things, don't they?
Coventina
(27,172 posts)Maybe because I'm sick in bed and feeling cranky, but I think these upper class grifters need to have more fear, not less.
ZZenith
(4,128 posts)Any healthy society must have a healthy middle class but every generation of rich idiots seems to need to learn that lesson over and over again.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It is kind of a civilizing force. The lower classes can probably see their way to making it to the middle class, but they pretty much know they will never make it to the upper class and it is that huge and widening gap that is making life more hopeless and frustrating for them.
Not only that, but I think they pretty much know who is keeping them down and stuck where they are right now and they are filled with rage, and rightly so.
XanaDUer2
(10,738 posts)spinbaby
(15,090 posts)If youve traveled in third world countries, youre familiar with how anyone who has anything protects it with high walls, concertina wire, and security systems. Were getting to that point here.
Mz Pip
(27,453 posts)What does someone have to do to remain in jail?
underpants
(182,884 posts)Id guess
bottomofthehill
(8,348 posts)Tickle
(2,541 posts)the 1% will just hire their own police and they will build a wall in order to divide themselves from this terror
DBoon
(22,397 posts)d_r
(6,907 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(3,503 posts)This is a big problem in many of the major cities. Here in Philadelphia, people can just walk into stores and take whatever they want without any repercussions. No one does a damn thing about it. Security just looks on and shrugs. Hell, I dont want to pay for anything either but I still do. Im starting to wonder why. I feel like a sucker.
And quite like the story above, serious crimes arent being prosecuted and the perps are being released to commit more and increasingly worse crime.
Im all for police reform and justice reform but I didnt vote for this DA and his staff to not hold people responsible for anything they might do short of murder.
This crime problem isnt all just right wing hype.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What is this crap? I am as liberal as they come, but this is even pissing me off! There needs to be accountability at ALL LEVELS from the very bottom to the very top and there just isn't any!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What is this crap? I am as liberal as they come, but this is even pissing me off! There needs to be accountability at ALL LEVELS from the very bottom to the very top and there just isn't any!
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)Kind of hard to prosecute when no one makes an arrest.
ripcord
(5,537 posts)You would think the DA's office would figure out that after releasing them and having them commit the same crimes releasing them again would be stupid. Releasing someone who has twice been arrested for illegal gun possession is negligent.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)I guess its a good idea to have two $300,000 watches on you.
That way, in case one of your $300,000 watches quits working, you have a backup.
And it would suck to miss your bus or be late to your job.
So, do the smart thing. If you get one $300,000, make sure you pick up a spare one.
Plus, once you are out of school, its a good time to upgrade from those struggling college student days, like these kids: two UCLA students were robbed of two watches worth nearly $145,000 after leaving a club.
Always a dilemma back in my school days - which $70,000 watch should I wear to the club. Am I right?
d_r
(6,907 posts)Tickle
(2,541 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,367 posts)"See the correct time on my $73,000 watch? "
"Why is this bouncer pushing me toward the door?"
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Because maybe you need to keep track of time on the East Coast as well, and it only does one time zone.
I mean, yeah, a $15 Casio will do that and more, but maybe they were already sold out.
Samrob
(4,298 posts)Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)If it wasn't for them, just who would you go to in order to ask what time it is?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,443 posts)Nevilledog
(51,200 posts)Iggo
(47,568 posts)Thats a new one.
I like it.
tinrobot
(10,916 posts)Not "wealthy" areas at all. Perhaps the headline is a bit misleading.
LAPD had their budget cut after they botched the BLM protests. Perhaps this is their way of scaring up some replacement funding.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)According to a a report by The Guardian that breaks down the city by city findings of the public records review Los Angeles gave 50% of its Arpa funds to the LAPD, Fresno spent roughly 40% of its Cares funds (launched by Trump in 2020) on police, Long Beach spent the majority of its Arpa funds, $135.8 million, on police, Oakland spent 13.5% of its Cares funds on police and Sacramento spent 2.5% on police.
https://www.salon.com/2022/04/07/public-records-show-california-cities-funneled-relief-funds-into-police-coffer/
They have an insatiable appetite for more money to pay their overtime, though. Have you ever seen how much those people make? It's obscene
Ace Rothstein
(3,184 posts)There is going to be a huge pushback against this around the country this fall.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)And gangs like all criminals will take advantage of this problem. There probably are other people helping each other survive who are not official gangs doing this sort of thing too,like trying to pay rent that is unjustly high they steal to make ends meet because they dont know what they can do to get money fast. Some people under stress of losing everything cant think straight sometimes. Other than that they are common thieves..
I am not shedding any tears over the wealthy losing a few things. However attacking and hurting the people when you take some excesses is wrong. Even if you are starving dont hurt them.
Things can be replaced,people can't.
brooklynite
(94,738 posts)"Losing a few things" is okay?
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)If I had to eat and I could not find a way to I would steal to make the hunger stop. If I was homeless and needed to be safe from elements or bad people I'd steal to buy a tent and tools or clothes to endure it
If the thieves are profit seeking organized crime or gangs I agree fuck them,throw them in jail forever.
But as long as wealthy people treat the poor like shit,and they do,they get what they ask for sometimes. Sometimes things get bad.
Like I said ,it depends on the situation.
Being homeless is not chosen lifestyle yet you hear that bullshit on the media all the time. The rich talk about the poor as if they are all scum. And some rich people like screwing workers out of thier pay,not paying taxes or humiliating poor people that is theft too .
It's the greedy who create the needy.
Then they complain about it when poor people can't make it.
brooklynite
(94,738 posts)I'm glad we have other people deciding criminal justice policies.
global1
(25,270 posts)I remember watching the Untouchables. Ness and his people would go in and wreck havoc on the criminal gangs back then.
We need Ness now to take care of our gang problem.
Living in the Chicago Area - there is all kinds of violence and mayhem. Car hijackings. Ransacking of top name stores. Shootings every day, etc.
And it seems to me that the people know who is causing the problems - but they are too afraid to point fingers. And the City Government and the Police never seem to mention the word 'gangs' when they have to make statements on the latest shootings, hijackings, broad daylight store robberies, etc.
intheflow
(28,504 posts)Until that happens, I guess we'll just go with: They only call it class warfare when the poor fight back.
h/t to whichever DUer has this in their tag line!
SmallFry
(349 posts)Its should be one of the most basic of goals.
intheflow
(28,504 posts)I would love to see it happen in my lifetime but with the GQP being allowed to govern even though they are all complicit in J6 because even if they lose both the House and Senate next election, they just work harder than ever to divide citizens and subvert the government. Evil never sleeps.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)This is not Robin Hood.
DFW
(54,443 posts)Thank you
Who cares if people spend their money on fancy stuff that we'll never be able to afford? If Tyler Perry or Oprah want to buy a McMansion or a $500,000 watch, it's their money, it's their creative energy that earned it for them, and they have every right to walk into a store that sells that kind of stuff without being run over or having a gun stuck in their faces.
The gangs that perform this kind of robbery are organized, and got their training by first victimizing their own people before having the experience and finances to move up. Sure, I'll never be buying some $500,000 watch, but I don't care. I never wanted one in the first place, so I'm not jealous of those who do. One woman walking into a shop in Beverly Hills looking to buy such a thing isn't responsible for all the poverty in Watts. Saying it's no big deal if "the right" people get robbed in this manner is dismissing the organized brutality. Maybe it's convenient to be smug now because he/she "had more money than I'll ever have," but the gangs only get better at what they do, better organized, bigger, richer, and you/we are next. The Elon Musks of the world have their own personal security. You/I don't (I wouldn't want to need it all the time anyway). The reason it's the right thing to stop gangs that do this is because THEY won't stop when the last watch has been stolen.
SmallFry
(349 posts)And no, I dont condone the behavior. Of them or those they are robbing.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)SmallFry
(349 posts)Not sure how to answer if that is your first thought. I dont even see how you get from point A to point B.
ecstatic
(32,733 posts)If the LA police department truly wanted law and order, we would have it. That's the bottom line. But they're more focused on subjugation than protection. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're getting a cut of the robberies.
ripcord
(5,537 posts)It is the DA who is releasing them even after multiple illegal gun charges, of course that is nothing new. We want to end gun violence but we don't want to put people in jail for gun crimes.
ecstatic
(32,733 posts)Again, if they wanted law and order they could get it. Easily. The steps they are taking right now are to inflict crime and chaos on communities in order to regain power.
When their budget is tripled and they're allowed to get more weapons of war, with no questions asked, the "crime wave" will magically disappear.
ripcord
(5,537 posts)Keeping them in jail and prosecuting them is up to the DA, catch and release is one of the reasons he is being recalled.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,998 posts)policing the gangs in their own ranks. Those are documented too. How much do you want to bet they're in on this?
ripcord
(5,537 posts)Not the Los Angeles Police Department, get your facts straight.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,998 posts)LAPD has them too. Don't be so sure they don't. I have seen reporting that they do, and not just LASD. Why are you so sure they don't?
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)"get your facts straight."
poli-junkie
(1,007 posts)in broad daylight this past Saturday in a gentrifying area of Oakland called Adam's point.
There we were walking on a neighborhood sidewalk to Lake Merritt and get some lunch, when a mini suv pulled up along side us. A couple of young African Americans scrambled out of the car with guns ablaze and grabbed my purse and my daughter's purse!
Fuckin insane!
We managed to cancel credit cards, etc. before they attempted to make any purchases. Our iPhones appeared in Find My Phone in San Francisco, then back in Oakland at the local flea market.
BROAD DAYLIGHT WITH BIG ASS GUNS!! It's like an urban Serengeti out there!
Oh, forgot to mention, we are NOT the 1%.
Lucky Luciano
(11,260 posts)Just an emotional reaction that I know is clearly unjust.
However, these thugs (yes thugs - see the Thugee cult in fact for the origin of the term - a bunch of amoral robbers and murderers) need to do hard time. Ive never been a big law and order person. I even Played Ice-Ts Copkiller at volume 10 in my young stupid days when the cops came to break up our parties in college. These armed robbers and carjackers need to be discarded for a long fucking time. $1 million cash bail.
madville
(7,412 posts)I lived on Alameda for a couple of years but had many medical and dental appointments around Lake Merritt in Oakland. I would only schedule them for the AM daylight hours if I had to drive my car to Oakland and never went to Oakland or rode the BART to/from SF after dark as a rule. So glad I moved back to Florida in 2019, really loved many things about the Bay Area but its just too dangerous now and the criminals know there are few legal consequences.
Crataegus
(60 posts)They finally figured out that robbing the poor wasn't very profitable.
Took em long enough.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)If you are going to take the risk, you might as well go big.
XanaDUer2
(10,738 posts)betsuni
(25,638 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)The millionaires and billionaires will want the poors to not have guns.
Thats a recipe for the have nots coming and taking from the haves.
Coming soon, gun control based upon net worth.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Scrivener7
(51,016 posts)They want to live in a different world that the rest of us. This ridiculous conspicuous consumption puts them in a very different world than the one I live in. A very different world than the one I would want to live in.
So this, apparently, is their $300,000 watch world problem.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Scrivener7
(51,016 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Scrivener7
(51,016 posts)be stolen from.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)I'm thinking it might be a good idea to start robbing people in LA.
Scrivener7
(51,016 posts)usonian
(9,887 posts)First, the elephant in the room is the insane wealth inequality here and in the world at large.
Crime won't go away when it is reduced, but let's get there first and find out!
If I'm wrong, then we'll have made a WONDERFUL mistake!
Thoreau: Walden, Chapter 8 The Village
I am convinced, that if all men were to live as simply as I then did, thieving and robbery would be unknown. These take place only in communities where some have got more than is sufficient while others have not enough. The Pope's Homers would soon get properly distributed.
"Nec bella fuerunt,
Faginus astabat dum scyphus ante dapes."
"Nor wars did men molest,
When only beechen bowls were in request."
"You who govern public affairs, what need have you to employ punishments? Love virtue, and the people will be virtuous.
Yeah, I know, this is way idealistic, but if we don't think it, we have zero chance of getting it eventually.
We'll never break out of the cycle of crime and retribution if it's all we think about.
Naturally, what Thoreau says is applicable to hate crimes, because hate and racism are taught.
Greed seems more fundamental, but
DON'T BASICALLY ALL RELIGIONS TEACH AGAINST IT? (Joel Osteen and friends excepted, of course)
Second, DO YOU WANT GUN CONTROL?
It will happen when PEOPLE OF COLOR GET GUNS.
Peace.
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)leftstreet
(36,116 posts)and that's that
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)onethatcares
(16,186 posts)I mean, look at the last administration and what they stole from public and a bunch of citizens support(ed) them.
I wonder what kind of "clubs" they were leaving from.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)don't flaunt it.
Of course, wealth and material things are what give many wealthy folks their feelings of self worth, so they desperately need to ostentatiously show their expensive junk off to the rest of the world in order to feel like they are somebody.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Who is your local organized criminal gang going to target? Rolex guy driving a brand new Maserati that says, "Hey, look at me!", or that anonymous, mysterious nice woman driving a rez runner?
Not justifying criminal activity, but this ain't rocket science.