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secondwind
(16,903 posts)an example for all the world.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I'm to the point where I'd fly the damned planes over, myself. The world has put up with Russia for so many years, but they are all bluster and bullying...and, nukes, I know. But...
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)not a war, but genocide. At minimal, do a no fly-over zone. Russia/Putin is NOT going away. If he continues, he will be in other countries. Fuck him and his "I got nukes." Yes, I realize many supplies are already being sent to Ukraine. Putin needs to be stopped now in Ukraine ... because it is not going to get any better. He's an out of control sociopathic psychotic authoritarian bully.
jaxexpat
(6,841 posts)Facts:
1. sun comes up in east
2. sun goes down in west
3. water is wet
4. gravity wins everything, eventually
5. atom bombs dropped on Japan are firecrackers compared to the thermo-nuclear arsenals "ready to fly" right now, 24/7/365
6. the day nuclear war starts is the last day of civilization
7. really, after # 6, the facts don't matter
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)necessary imply nuclear war.
867-5309.
(1,189 posts)Putin would not go quietly. If this happened and they were losing, there's a strong possibility they use tactical nukes.
Joe has taken the best of imperfect choices. He's not letting emotion overtake this.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Sitting back and not deterring the madman of the very long table from using nukes, as he says he might do, is stupid. All the rest won't matter.
jaxexpat
(6,841 posts)Solidarity, unfortunately, does not have a direct mechanism with which to prevent Putin deploying his nuclear weapons, the elephants in the room. The sanctions will cripple his nation. Does he care enough to let that stop him or is he really insane enough to think he can proceed indefinitely? He can't. Hopefully, his mission to obliterate the Ukraine cannot continue when his people, growing ever more resentful of their bankruptcy, see clearly through his propaganda.
When will the crisis generated by the west's sanctions reach the point where persons within his own government will act to remove him? That is the question of the moment. The question we must ask ourselves is whether we, a composite of western societies composed of crybaby capitalists and the consumers who love them, can keep our focus on international solidarity long enough to maintain the necessary pressure for these, yet unidentified, heroes to act.
The importance of our commitment is, perhaps, more clearly realized when we consider that Hitler, though there were several attempts on his life in the face of his terrible government and military losses, remained in power until the whole of Germany was devastatingly conquered by the allies. Should Putin's hold over his presidency prove as resilient as Hitler's, we will be facing a long-term standoff. Perhaps even longer than the 6 years of WWII. In that event, the Ukraine project, insofar as western strategies are concerned, will be to keep the battlefield confined to that nation's territory by providing as much aid as the Ukrainians will use. The exact particulars of that aid will fluctuate as the elephants in the room stir from time to time.
The only thing we need to know about nuclear weapons is that they must never be used. If Putin fires first, it's over. If we fire first, it's over. If we push Putin into a position where he fires first, it's over. If we become emotionally unbalanced (perhaps believing we'll survive a nuclear holocaust) and fire first, it's over. If someone accidentally fires at all, it's over.
Survivability is a non-subject. It should never be seriously considered a possibility because it's not.
48656c6c6f20
(7,638 posts)Despots wipe their asses with sanctions.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Have you forgotten?
How about Rwanda?
Irish_Dem
(47,226 posts)And like he is feeling beaten.
I don't know if he is just tired and going to a dark place or if he knows the war is not going well.
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)Don't worry about this man. We just need to continue to send support and increase it. The recent visits by people in high positions from other countries are very supportive, as he is a human being and needs to have that contact, the direct support.
He is a leader for the ages.
Irish_Dem
(47,226 posts)Zelensky is a leader for the ages, exactly.
I admire him greatly.
HUAJIAO
(2,396 posts)niyad
(113,510 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Putin is not going away. He needs to be stopped NOW in Ukraine.
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)uponit7771
(90,348 posts)ananda
(28,873 posts)Just amazing.
Irish_Dem
(47,226 posts)timms139
(115 posts)all the above post . Just hope all the good people in this world can change Ukraine's situation soon .
highplainsdem
(49,022 posts)every bit of aid they can be given, both now and when they rebuild.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)JuJuChen
(2,216 posts)I can't think of a better description of leader can you?
KS Toronado
(17,293 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)It hasn't been long enough to really make this statement, but he might become Ukraine's Churchill.