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New video from Zelensky in moment of exhausted and emotional late night reflection (Original Post) Swede Apr 2022 OP
I am in awe of this man, his love of country should be secondwind Apr 2022 #1
How sad and scary. He sounds so tired or beaten...I can't decide which. Frustratedlady Apr 2022 #2
I'm really fed up with the world sitting by while Russia mutilates Ukraine. This is RKP5637 Apr 2022 #5
Such talk. Such typing. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #13
Not stopping it now might just bring it on. More defense for Ukraine does not RKP5637 Apr 2022 #15
If NATO joined the fight in Ukraine 867-5309. Apr 2022 #16
I think he's doing an excellent job. I hope the sanctions stay in place a very long time!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #17
#1 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2022 #21
The only deterrence we have against Putin is international solidarity against Putin. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #22
Sanctions only work for democratic nation states 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2022 #23
Did you feel the same about Syria? BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #24
He is coming across as sad here. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #11
Late night. Tired. Up late. Iron will. colorado_ufo Apr 2022 #14
Yes. I used to compare him to FDR, but he now has his own iconic status. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #18
Love this man. HUAJIAO Apr 2022 #3
He is carrying the weight and hope of the world on his shoulders. niyad Apr 2022 #4
He's doing the work the world should be doing. He should be given even more help. If Ukraine falls, RKP5637 Apr 2022 #6
+1, its like the world is giving Putrid 100 chances to stop when he only deserves 1 uponit7771 Apr 2022 #26
Yep, I'm exhausted reading the description of his burden uponit7771 Apr 2022 #25
Like the psychologist replied: Extraordinary strength and resilience. ananda Apr 2022 #7
Yes an incredible human being. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #12
Agree with timms139 Apr 2022 #8
There are no words for how much I admire him. He and his country deserve highplainsdem Apr 2022 #9
God bless him. Pepsidog Apr 2022 #10
You take the helm and fight for your freedom and country alongside your people JuJuChen Apr 2022 #19
52 days of very little sleep will wear anybody down. KS Toronado Apr 2022 #20
That man will be all but canonized when this atrocity is over. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2022 #27

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
2. How sad and scary. He sounds so tired or beaten...I can't decide which.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 09:39 AM
Apr 2022

I'm to the point where I'd fly the damned planes over, myself. The world has put up with Russia for so many years, but they are all bluster and bullying...and, nukes, I know. But...

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
5. I'm really fed up with the world sitting by while Russia mutilates Ukraine. This is
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 10:12 AM
Apr 2022

not a war, but genocide. At minimal, do a no fly-over zone. Russia/Putin is NOT going away. If he continues, he will be in other countries. Fuck him and his "I got nukes." Yes, I realize many supplies are already being sent to Ukraine. Putin needs to be stopped now in Ukraine ... because it is not going to get any better. He's an out of control sociopathic psychotic authoritarian bully.

jaxexpat

(6,841 posts)
13. Such talk. Such typing.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 10:59 AM
Apr 2022

Facts:
1. sun comes up in east
2. sun goes down in west
3. water is wet
4. gravity wins everything, eventually
5. atom bombs dropped on Japan are firecrackers compared to the thermo-nuclear arsenals "ready to fly" right now, 24/7/365
6. the day nuclear war starts is the last day of civilization
7. really, after # 6, the facts don't matter



RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
15. Not stopping it now might just bring it on. More defense for Ukraine does not
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 11:09 AM
Apr 2022

necessary imply nuclear war.

 

867-5309.

(1,189 posts)
16. If NATO joined the fight in Ukraine
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 11:28 AM
Apr 2022

Putin would not go quietly. If this happened and they were losing, there's a strong possibility they use tactical nukes.

Joe has taken the best of imperfect choices. He's not letting emotion overtake this.

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
21. #1
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 12:11 PM
Apr 2022

Sitting back and not deterring the madman of the very long table from using nukes, as he says he might do, is stupid. All the rest won't matter.

jaxexpat

(6,841 posts)
22. The only deterrence we have against Putin is international solidarity against Putin.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 01:44 PM
Apr 2022

Solidarity, unfortunately, does not have a direct mechanism with which to prevent Putin deploying his nuclear weapons, the elephants in the room. The sanctions will cripple his nation. Does he care enough to let that stop him or is he really insane enough to think he can proceed indefinitely? He can't. Hopefully, his mission to obliterate the Ukraine cannot continue when his people, growing ever more resentful of their bankruptcy, see clearly through his propaganda.

When will the crisis generated by the west's sanctions reach the point where persons within his own government will act to remove him? That is the question of the moment. The question we must ask ourselves is whether we, a composite of western societies composed of crybaby capitalists and the consumers who love them, can keep our focus on international solidarity long enough to maintain the necessary pressure for these, yet unidentified, heroes to act.

The importance of our commitment is, perhaps, more clearly realized when we consider that Hitler, though there were several attempts on his life in the face of his terrible government and military losses, remained in power until the whole of Germany was devastatingly conquered by the allies. Should Putin's hold over his presidency prove as resilient as Hitler's, we will be facing a long-term standoff. Perhaps even longer than the 6 years of WWII. In that event, the Ukraine project, insofar as western strategies are concerned, will be to keep the battlefield confined to that nation's territory by providing as much aid as the Ukrainians will use. The exact particulars of that aid will fluctuate as the elephants in the room stir from time to time.

The only thing we need to know about nuclear weapons is that they must never be used. If Putin fires first, it's over. If we fire first, it's over. If we push Putin into a position where he fires first, it's over. If we become emotionally unbalanced (perhaps believing we'll survive a nuclear holocaust) and fire first, it's over. If someone accidentally fires at all, it's over.

Survivability is a non-subject. It should never be seriously considered a possibility because it's not.

Irish_Dem

(47,226 posts)
11. He is coming across as sad here.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 10:48 AM
Apr 2022

And like he is feeling beaten.

I don't know if he is just tired and going to a dark place or if he knows the war is not going well.

colorado_ufo

(5,737 posts)
14. Late night. Tired. Up late. Iron will.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 11:09 AM
Apr 2022

Don't worry about this man. We just need to continue to send support and increase it. The recent visits by people in high positions from other countries are very supportive, as he is a human being and needs to have that contact, the direct support.

He is a leader for the ages.

Irish_Dem

(47,226 posts)
18. Yes. I used to compare him to FDR, but he now has his own iconic status.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 11:35 AM
Apr 2022

Zelensky is a leader for the ages, exactly.

I admire him greatly.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
6. He's doing the work the world should be doing. He should be given even more help. If Ukraine falls,
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 10:14 AM
Apr 2022

Putin is not going away. He needs to be stopped NOW in Ukraine.

timms139

(115 posts)
8. Agree with
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 10:24 AM
Apr 2022

all the above post . Just hope all the good people in this world can change Ukraine's situation soon .

highplainsdem

(49,022 posts)
9. There are no words for how much I admire him. He and his country deserve
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 10:44 AM
Apr 2022

every bit of aid they can be given, both now and when they rebuild.

JuJuChen

(2,216 posts)
19. You take the helm and fight for your freedom and country alongside your people
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 11:40 AM
Apr 2022

I can't think of a better description of leader can you?

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
27. That man will be all but canonized when this atrocity is over.
Sun Apr 17, 2022, 10:30 PM
Apr 2022

It hasn't been long enough to really make this statement, but he might become Ukraine's Churchill.

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