⚡️ Ukrainian military regains control of Marinka, Donetsk Oblast.

[Donkees]

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
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⚡️ Ukrainian military regains control of Marinka, Donetsk Oblast.

According to the General Staff, Ukraine launched a counter-offensive and drove out Russian troops from the city, which is less than 10 km west of Donetsk.

Marinka was last controlled by Ukraine in mid-March.

[doc03]

1. What is Oblast? Is that a territory like a state or county?

That is good with the Russians regrouping I was afraid
they would turn the tide.

[Donkees]

2. Definition:

The oblasts Ukrainian: область or regions of Ukraine, of which there are 24, are the main type of first-level administrative division of Ukraine, the other types being an autonomous republic (Crimea) and two cities with special status (Kyiv and Sevastopol).

[NickB79]

4. So, like a state or county?

[GB_RN]

5. Basically The Equivalent Of A State.

N/T

[Wingus Dingus]

6. Sounds similar in size to a county.

[SmallFry]

8. Populate of the place being mentioned was around 9,000 before the war.

Considering it’s location it’s population isn’t close to that today.

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. In legal terms, more like a county, but bigger than most US counties

They don't have the autonomy of a US state, with potential difference in laws, their own constitution etc.

The oblasts (Ukrainian: область or regions of Ukraine, of which there are 24, are the main type of first-level administrative division of Ukraine, the other types being an autonomous republic (Crimea) and two cities with special status (Kyiv and Sevastopol). Ukraine is a unitary state, thus the oblasts do not have much legal scope of competence other than that which is established in the Ukrainian Constitution and by law. Articles 140–146 of Chapter XI of the constitution deal directly with local authorities and their competency.

In population, they vary from about a million to 4 million: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblasts_of_Ukraine

In area, most are above 20,000 sq. km - in the New Jersey to Maryland range: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_oblasts_and_territories_by_area

"Region" or "province" are typical translations.

[Botany]

3. Isn't this the territory where Malcom Nance is in?

Kill 'em all. Every last one of those Russian bastards that are still fighting, get Ukraine some bad ass fighter
jets and pilots, hit the Russian air and missile bases where they are launching attacks from, let the Russian
people know the truth about what is happening, and get back Crimea too.

Just looked @ a map.
That area is less then 100 miles due north of Mariupol. Would be nice if they could get there and see if they
can save anybody.

[2naSalit]

18. Today, maybe.

He was in Lviv yesterday.

I am hoping Mariupol can be reached and resupplied/rescued before everyone is killed.

[Botany]

20. Gonna be tough w/out air cover.

I thought I heard Mr. Nance mention Donetsk last night.

[lagomorph777]

22. Yes to all that.

[SmallFry]

7. Interesting they would pick that spot.

Very very small town and they would be surrounded by Russian occupied territory. Ukraine has lost control of pretty much that whole region.

[Lovie777]

10. UA's are not the only ones fighting . . ..

the community is with the UAs.

[SmallFry]

12. What community is left.

We are talking a town of 9,000 before the war started. Given it’s location it’s population isn’t currently close to that. Most of this region is not controlled by a government. The Tweet makes it clear they targeted this town. I don’t see how that makes sense.

[Kaleva]

11. The territory that the Russians control...

could be limited to where they physically are. Where they stand or are parked

[SmallFry]

14. I think you are onto something.

Just before this post I referenced that region as not being controlled by a government. While most media outlets are calling it Russian occupied like I did, it’s probably more accurate to say the region isn’t currently controlled by a government.

[Donkees]

13. Battle of Marinka 2015:

Ukrainian military commanders who said that if the separatists had captured Marinka and Krasnohorivka it would have created a choke point for the Ukrainian forces at Pisky and Avdiivka (north and northwest of Donetsk)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marinka

[SmallFry]

16. You rock.

Just looking at it on the map and my basic understanding of the region made me wonder why. Thanks for the education.

[muriel_volestrangler]

15. Looks like 3 sides of it are in Ukrainian control

https://liveuamap.com/

(can't see how to give a link to a specific scale and place, but you can zoom in - to the west of Donetsk)

[SmallFry]

17. Looking forward to your link when I get home. TY

[Donkees]

28. Another map view: ''The enemy had nearly 25% of the town under its control.''

Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦
@IAPonomarenko
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A Ukrainian counter-strike drives Russian forces completely out of Mariinka southwest of Donetsk.
The enemy had nearly 25% of the town under its control.
#BattleofDonbas2022

[Pepsidog]

23. That's incredible.

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. Well, I don't know how reliable anything can be at that level of detail

and how often maps get updated. But it's one indication that retaking the town could be "straightening the line".

[erronis]

19. A bunch of us are getting some geography lessons from this very horrible situation.

I did have family members in Kyiv for several years including during/after the Crimean takeover. But I'm finding myself glued to the maps and news now that democracy around the world is hanging by a thread.

Of course many red americans only know the geography of their front and back yards.

[Pepsidog]

21. Makes a difference when you are fighting for something.

[paleotn]

25. A huge difference.

[doc03]

26. Was interesting yesterday they said people are

occupying a huge steel mill. I worked in a steel mill for
40 years, that would be a hard place for Russians to take. There would be endless places for snipers to hide and pick of Russians in a steel mill.

[Texaswitchy]

27. I lived near a similar industrial building.

It was huge.
Over acre in size.
They made boilers.
Explored it when it was shut down.
Lots of places to hide.

[doc03]

29. Ours was spread out for miles on both sides of the Ohio river. We had buildings nearly 1/2 mile

long, furnaces, rolling mills all with basements like bomb shelters. I couldn't think of a better pace to
hide out.

[maxsolomon]

30. The Mariupol Azovstal steel mill is on a Gary Indiana scale.

absolutely massive.

It's basically a ruin now; Russia has been bombing it.