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babylonsister

(171,099 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 12:40 PM Apr 2022

David Corn: Why the Hell Isn't Jared Kushner's $2 Billion Saudi Payment a Big Scandal?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/04/why-the-hell-isnt-jared-kushners-2-billion-saudi-payment-a-big-scandal/

2 hours ago
Why the Hell Isn’t Jared Kushner’s $2 Billion Saudi Payment a Big Scandal?
Anyone remember Billygate?
David Corn


snip//

Billygate is a good point of reference when assessing what could be called Jaredgate. On April 10, the New York Times revealed that Jared Kushner, son-in-law and adviser of the 45th president, secured a $2 billion investment for his new private equity firm, Affinity Partners, from a fund controlled by the Saudi crown prince—even after advisers to the Saudi fund raised serious objections to the investment. The screening panel for the Saudi fund had cited “the inexperience of the Affinity Fund management”; an “unsatisfactory in all aspects” due diligence report; a proposed asset management fee that seemed “excessive”; and “public relations risks.” Yet the panel was overruled by the fund’s board, which is headed by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s autocratic de facto leader, who, according to US intelligence, green-lit the operation that resulted in the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

It’s damn hard to not see the $2 billion investment as either a payoff for past services rendered or a preemptive bribe should Trump manage to regain the White House. And it could be both. It’s a wonder that the disclosure of this deal hasn’t created more of a fuss and prompted congressional investigations. (Imagine what Republicans and Fox News would be doing if Hunter Biden received $2 billion from a Ukrainian government leader who was responsible for the gruesome murder of an American resident.) A 10-figure payment to a relative of a former president who is essentially the current (though undeclared) GOP frontrunner in the 2024 contest and possibly the next inhabitant of the White House is a major scandal.

Or it should be.


snip//

Whatever the past or future quid pro quos, if any, this deal stinks and demands congressional scrutiny. Allowing foreign authoritarians to shower billions of dollars upon family members of past, present, or future presidents is ethically wrong but carries a greater threat. As Ali Al-Ahmed, the director of the Institute for Gulf Affairs, wrote in the Washington Post, “The prospect of a dictator using his deep pockets to wield influence at the highest levels of the U.S. political system should be cause for serious concern and targeted action. Not all attacks on American democracy will take the shape of violent insurrections—the corruption of the Saudi-Kushner deal is an attack on democracy, too.”

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The Trump cosmos is full of grift and scandal. And what’s $2 billion compared to an attempt to overturn an election and incite violent insurrection? But in a world of never-ending Trump sleaze, this shady venture does stand out as especially egregious. At the very least, Kushner deserves the Billygate treatment.
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David Corn: Why the Hell Isn't Jared Kushner's $2 Billion Saudi Payment a Big Scandal? (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2022 OP
"White collar crime" is a non-issue in America and has been for decades if not centuries. walkingman Apr 2022 #1
What laws were broken? Be specific. Mosby Apr 2022 #16
The definition of "legal" is controlled by the people or orgs with the deepest pockets. walkingman Apr 2022 #39
What laws were supposedly broken by Hunter's laptop? Yet that is wall to wall news. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #42
bazinga! nt Grasswire2 Apr 2022 #57
There is no laptop..... William Gustafson Apr 2022 #60
Yes, but it's a lie the media spreads 24/7. Whereas Jared's 2Billion gift from the Saudis Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #62
Totally AGREE! cilla4progress Apr 2022 #31
A "non issue"?..You mean for the Enron guys, whathehell Apr 2022 #36
Too complicated huh?? Sounds like a good excuse to me. walkingman Apr 2022 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Apr 2022 #73
No one said "too" complicated, but surely you must realize whathehell Apr 2022 #74
white collar crime is a big deal if 1500 radio stations make it so...... certainot Apr 2022 #71
K&R, because the DOJ isn't giving it the air Hunter Biden's laptop is getting by them. uponit7771 Apr 2022 #2
The DOJ is not giving 'air' to anything... Ohio Joe Apr 2022 #4
K & R Budi Apr 2022 #11
John Durham is a special prosecutor gab13by13 Apr 2022 #12
Why would he need to? Ohio Joe Apr 2022 #13
There is no pubic DOJ investigation into Jared kushner like there is into Hunter Biden uponit7771 Apr 2022 #19
Durham's investigation is not into Hunter... Ohio Joe Apr 2022 #22
This is false on its face. The DOJ **IS** investigating Hunter Biden uponit7771 Apr 2022 #18
Yes, there is a 2+ year old investigation that is going nowhere... Ohio Joe Apr 2022 #23
Not the point, the DOJ investigating MAGA made up allegations with no iota of violation of law ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #37
TFG and Barr started the investigation... Ohio Joe Apr 2022 #41
True, the right thing for DOJ to do would be to end it because it was PURLEY 100% political. uponit7771 Apr 2022 #43
They are not being partisan Ohio Joe Apr 2022 #45
100% text book partisan investigating false allegations by MAGA with no probable cause for ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #46
You are blaming the Biden Administration for what TFG did... Ohio Joe Apr 2022 #47
This is also false, I'm blaming the DOJ for starting the investigating in the first place ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #48
You are determined to have them cause a self inflicted wound on Biden... Ohio Joe Apr 2022 #49
The DOJ doesn't "belong" to the Biden admin, that's Trump thinking man. The DOJ is supposed to uponit7771 Apr 2022 #51
Because the GQP owns the media. Next question. lindysalsagal Apr 2022 #3
It infuriates me that it isn't. smirkymonkey Apr 2022 #5
What type of clearance (TOP SECRET) has degrees I believe. What could Jared and sell? usaf-vet Apr 2022 #15
Who the fuck gets 2 billion dollars for anything? world wide wally Apr 2022 #6
Failed NY real estate investor, dummy JarJar who paid the most ever for comm real estate in NY. From Pepsidog Apr 2022 #24
It's the 666 building fer kreistsakes! OMGWTF Apr 2022 #29
Seems appropriate, somehow. calimary Apr 2022 #56
While three policemen arrest an 8 yo for shoplifting a bag of Doritos. LogicFirst Apr 2022 #7
Why the Hell Isn't Jared Kushner's $2 Billion Saudi Payment a Big Scandal? Ray Bruns Apr 2022 #8
The most important thing: IOKIYAR OMGWTF Apr 2022 #30
Would you please remind some of us what that acronym stands for? whathehell Apr 2022 #75
8. Another caravan with hordes of dirty migrants swarming the border FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #68
Perhaps Jared Kushner the Saudi loving UnAmerican is buying them off to lay off the story? MagickMuffin Apr 2022 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2022 #28
K&R 2naSalit Apr 2022 #10
No shit. dalton99a Apr 2022 #14
Because who owns the media and media outlets? Marthe48 Apr 2022 #17
So what's a couple billion dollars between buddies? A billion here a billion there pretty soon you Pepsidog Apr 2022 #20
Absolutely. I recall well when a sitting president had to speak about his brother's alchoholism..... jaxexpat Apr 2022 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2022 #26
Y'all should know by now that it's OK if you're a republican Novara Apr 2022 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2022 #25
Because main stream media is owned by the very rich and they want low taxes, no matter diane in sf Apr 2022 #27
It's like an important message Turbineguy Apr 2022 #33
Because they're all bought and paid for. Justice is for you and me but not for the rich fucks. onecaliberal Apr 2022 #34
It seems like if the GOP doesn't care about it or ignores it, it just doesn't become a scandal LymphocyteLover Apr 2022 #35
Duh, IOKIYAR Hassler Apr 2022 #38
Republican grifters are special Achilleaze Apr 2022 #44
because Hunter Biden's laptop mnmoderatedem Apr 2022 #50
Because MSM doesn't care when Repukes commit anything. They are immune from scrutiny, which Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #52
It's been reported that the original figure was $10 bil deminks Apr 2022 #53
Because Rocknation Apr 2022 #54
2 cents Slammer Apr 2022 #55
Because the media chooses not to cover it Bettie Apr 2022 #58
Make Him Pay Praek3 Apr 2022 #59
And it's more current than Hunter's laptop. Emile Apr 2022 #61
Indeed Achilleaze Apr 2022 #63
$2 billion is a HUGE sum, a sum that bails out the Kushner family's debt on the NYC "666" allegorical oracle Apr 2022 #64
Oh, no! This is not for that. Qatar ALREADY bailed out 666. WHILE tfg was in office. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #66
Nothing to see here! BlueJac Apr 2022 #65
Same reason the orange one is still walking free. I'm thinking the DOJ Hotler Apr 2022 #67
open corruption and open grift llashram Apr 2022 #69
Why isn't it even a minor scandal? BobTheSubgenius Apr 2022 #70
If only we had a media empire like the Russians do in the U.S. ffr Apr 2022 #72

walkingman

(7,671 posts)
1. "White collar crime" is a non-issue in America and has been for decades if not centuries.
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 12:50 PM
Apr 2022

Were it not for Kushner being in the political cloud we more than likely would not even know about it. An example is the billions that were falsely collected during the Covid stimulus plan.

No, in America the guy stealing food, selling cigarettes, petty theft, or smoking a joint is considered much more dangerous individual that a greedy bastard.

Makes you wish there really was a HELL.

Scrivener7

(51,025 posts)
42. What laws were supposedly broken by Hunter's laptop? Yet that is wall to wall news.
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 05:03 PM
Apr 2022

And I'm not a lawyer, but usually when the smell test stinks this bad, the lawyers can verbalize what laws gave been broken. I am guessing they'd be able to do so in this case.

William Gustafson

(299 posts)
60. There is no laptop.....
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 01:58 AM
Apr 2022

Has anyone seen this laptop...? a picture, anything to prove there is a laptop...
Rudy has only a hard drive, which he has copied more times than Carter has pills.....
He turned a copy over to the FBI and even they knew this was crap....
They found Metadata that was downloaded on this hard drive a year after they said they found this in the Blind man computer repair shop...
Rudy also said that there was child porn on this, and he has copied it and gave to his friends... How is this not a felony, copied child porn and giving it to other people?....
With all that these dipshits have said is on the Hard Drive, no one has actually seen the laptop because it does not exist!!!
IT's a lie.... always has been.

Scrivener7

(51,025 posts)
62. Yes, but it's a lie the media spreads 24/7. Whereas Jared's 2Billion gift from the Saudis
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:08 AM
Apr 2022

is a fact that gets no coverage at all.

whathehell

(29,096 posts)
36. A "non issue"?..You mean for the Enron guys,
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 03:45 PM
Apr 2022

the Saving & Loan Scandal's Keating Five and folks like Bernie Madoff?

White collar crime may be under-prosecuted relative to street crime, but that's partly because evidence gathering is much harder (DNA and Fingerprinting being irrelelevant) but calling it "a non-issuue in America" wildly overstates it.

Response to walkingman (Reply #40)

whathehell

(29,096 posts)
74. No one said "too" complicated, but surely you must realize
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 07:20 PM
Apr 2022

that prosecuting a Deutsche Bank imoney laundering scheme is more complex and time consuming than prosecuting a local.stick up job...Just sayin.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
71. white collar crime is a big deal if 1500 radio stations make it so......
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 12:15 PM
Apr 2022

if it's a democrat, for instance

been like that for 30 years

Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)
4. The DOJ is not giving 'air' to anything...
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 01:02 PM
Apr 2022

That the right wing press is making mountains out of Durham's filings when there is nothing there, does not make it that the DOJ is giving it 'air'... The press is. The fact is, not the press nor even people here seem all that interested in what the DOJ is doing with the case:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216597309

Some do, but I admit I was surprised how few showed any interest... I guess it's just easier to blame the DOJ instead of the culprits.

gab13by13

(21,418 posts)
12. John Durham is a special prosecutor
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 02:04 PM
Apr 2022

working for the DOJ. Bill Barr appointed him and put guard rails in so that he could not be fired.

There is nothing stopping Merrick Garland to appoint a special prosecutor to look into Jared Kushner.

Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)
22. Durham's investigation is not into Hunter...
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 02:39 PM
Apr 2022

It just likes to try and bring up the bogus laptop in filings.

It is true that we do not know for certain the investigation into what is/was going on with Barrack involves Kushner as the other two people not yet indicted are only listed as unindicted co-conspirator-1 and -2. The investigation is still ongoing and I think emptywheel makes an excellent case for Kushner to be one of them (and if you read deeper, Bannon as the other). I know it's a lot to read through and digest but I really recommend it.

Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)
23. Yes, there is a 2+ year old investigation that is going nowhere...
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 02:44 PM
Apr 2022

That is still not the DOJ giving it 'air', it is still the press giving it.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
37. Not the point, the DOJ investigating MAGA made up allegations with no iota of violation of law ...
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 04:50 PM
Apr 2022

... behind them gives the allegations the air of truth.

"well lets see ..." or "what does he have to hind ..." is NOT a reason to investigate anyone.

There's usually a probable cause for an investigation of any kind here the DOJ has ... ***NONE*** ... and its disgusting to see them involved.

Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)
41. TFG and Barr started the investigation...
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 05:00 PM
Apr 2022

If President Biden or the DOJ stopped it once he took office, it would have created an even bigger deal of it. Cries of 'cover up' would be screamed out forever. Letting it die out of it's own accord is the only option. But hey... I get it... Yet another thing repugs did that we can blame on the Biden administration.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
43. True, the right thing for DOJ to do would be to end it because it was PURLEY 100% political.
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 05:04 PM
Apr 2022
If President Biden or the DOJ stopped it once he took office, it would have created an even bigger deal of it. Cries of 'cover up' would be screamed out forever. Letting it die out of it's own accord is the only option. But hey... I get it... Yet another thing repugs did that we can blame on the Biden administration.


So the DOJ doesn't mind looking politically partisan keeping up an investigation with ZERO probable cause for it beginning to satisfy the marginations of the politically partisan?

Damned if they do, damned if they don't ... might as well do the right damn thing no?

tia

Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)
45. They are not being partisan
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 05:34 PM
Apr 2022

That is the point. They are letting an investigation that will go nowhere play out. It only becomes partisan if they stop it.

Most people don’t know the first thing about the investigation but if it were stopped all of those people would think coverup. Self inflicted wounds are the worst kind. It is far better to let the cultists yell ‘ahh ha’ every six months because of right wing media and it be yet another nothing burger rather than shoot ourselves in the face.

Fortunately, the President and his administration understand this and ignore the calls for self mutilation.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
46. 100% text book partisan investigating false allegations by MAGA with no probable cause for ...
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 06:03 PM
Apr 2022

... for an investigation to start due to no laws being broken.

You're saying "letting an investigation ..." there SHOULD BE NO investigation to start !!!

There's nothing there to even start it !!!

Police CAN NOT come to you and say we're investigating you to see if we find some thing ... that's against the law on its face

Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)
47. You are blaming the Biden Administration for what TFG did...
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 06:08 PM
Apr 2022

And demanding they make it worse... A foolish move. i'm glad they have more sense than to listen.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
48. This is also false, I'm blaming the DOJ for starting the investigating in the first place ...
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 06:11 PM
Apr 2022

... and not ending it knowing damn well there's no laws being broken.

That's not blaming an administration I'm blaming the institution which right now is doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason.

Ohio Joe

(21,769 posts)
49. You are determined to have them cause a self inflicted wound on Biden...
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 06:14 PM
Apr 2022

I don't know why but I'm done here.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
51. The DOJ doesn't "belong" to the Biden admin, that's Trump thinking man. The DOJ is supposed to
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 06:20 PM
Apr 2022

... the peoples justice department not Trumps, Obama's or Biden's

There's never a bad time to start doing the right thing,

No one said end the investigation in the dumbest way possible

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
5. It infuriates me that it isn't.
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 01:13 PM
Apr 2022

That scandal and thousands more. It is sickening how much they get away with.

usaf-vet

(6,215 posts)
15. What type of clearance (TOP SECRET) has degrees I believe. What could Jared and sell?
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 02:10 PM
Apr 2022

Does anyone understand the levels of security clearances possible?

Please enlighten the rest of us. Thanks

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
24. Failed NY real estate investor, dummy JarJar who paid the most ever for comm real estate in NY. From
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 02:54 PM
Apr 2022

what I read he was so underwater with the 666 building that the recommendation was to demolish it and build new. But that is JarJar a true boy wonder, fixer of all, savior of the Middle East and confidant to oppressive rulers who kill, torture, and oppress women and other countries.

Ray Bruns

(4,115 posts)
8. Why the Hell Isn't Jared Kushner's $2 Billion Saudi Payment a Big Scandal?
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 01:51 PM
Apr 2022

Because:
1. Will Smith slapped Chris Rock at the Oscars.
2. Hunter Biden's laptop.
3. People's Convoy.
4. Some unqualified moron in Florida made a ruling that we don't have to wear masks anymore.
5. Gas prices were high.
6. Hillary's emails.
7. Benghazi.

Did I miss anything?

FoxNewsSucks

(10,435 posts)
68. 8. Another caravan with hordes of dirty migrants swarming the border
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 11:07 AM
Apr 2022

That still gets coverage on Fox every day. And that's exactly the way they make their sheeple perceive it.

Illegal, dirty, disease-ridden, criminal invaders. Coming to take their jobs and collect welfare.

MagickMuffin

(15,960 posts)
9. Perhaps Jared Kushner the Saudi loving UnAmerican is buying them off to lay off the story?
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 01:55 PM
Apr 2022


That would be my guess. Jared Kushner bought the media.


Response to MagickMuffin (Reply #9)

Marthe48

(17,042 posts)
17. Because who owns the media and media outlets?
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 02:25 PM
Apr 2022

It is easier and easier to see that the people in control scratch each other's backs and don't publish what they don't want people to know.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
20. So what's a couple billion dollars between buddies? A billion here a billion there pretty soon you
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 02:32 PM
Apr 2022

have some real money. Poor Jared is looking for 7 billion and only has $500 million raised without the Saudi money. And look just like he wasn’t Harvard material, the Saudi’s are saying it’s too risky to give this much money to a dummy like Jared. Here is a guy that paid the most money ever for commercial real estate in NY which is essentially now a year down. JarJar thinks he is smart but is just a member of the lucky sperm club, a guy who never seems to fail because others prop him up. The dangerous part is that JarJar thinks he is smartest guy in the room.

jaxexpat

(6,860 posts)
21. Absolutely. I recall well when a sitting president had to speak about his brother's alchoholism.....
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 02:38 PM
Apr 2022

repeatedly in response to the press' most "important" questions regarding Billy's antics and Secret Service costs and how embarrassing that a PRESIDENT had such a family, what was the neighborhood coming to? It was front page stuff for months, Scandal city USA, Democrats just aren't house trained, etc., ad nauseum.

But when it came to the obvious grifting from the first son-in-law, crickets. The press literally screamed total silence and ...er ...amnesia......I think...uh....it's all a little fuzzy and they were feeling, collectively and in concert......a little woozy.. Someone was hitting the press on the head, causing them to suffer from "A-list" amnesia, and they were forgetting to talk or inquire about the unbelievable and inexplicable transfer of wealth's bounty into the 1st SIL's coffers.

" It's good to be king."

Response to jaxexpat (Reply #21)

Novara

(5,853 posts)
32. Y'all should know by now that it's OK if you're a republican
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 03:26 PM
Apr 2022

IOKIYAR

Republicans can get away with $2 billion bribes but if a democrat's grandma sneezes, we'll have to have 11 hearings about it.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

diane in sf

(3,919 posts)
27. Because main stream media is owned by the very rich and they want low taxes, no matter
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 02:59 PM
Apr 2022

how badly it trashes the overall economy. So the continually push Republican propaganda.

LymphocyteLover

(5,657 posts)
35. It seems like if the GOP doesn't care about it or ignores it, it just doesn't become a scandal
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 03:40 PM
Apr 2022

no matter how bad it is.

Am I wrong?

mnmoderatedem

(3,729 posts)
50. because Hunter Biden's laptop
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 06:18 PM
Apr 2022

because Hillary's emails.

because Benghazi.

because Obama's birth certificate

because Monica Lewinsky

because the Clinton Foundation

because Whitewater.

I'm sure I am leaving some out, but you get the point.

Evolve Dammit

(16,781 posts)
52. Because MSM doesn't care when Repukes commit anything. They are immune from scrutiny, which
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 06:21 PM
Apr 2022

tells you how fucked we truly are.

deminks

(11,018 posts)
53. It's been reported that the original figure was $10 bil
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 06:56 PM
Apr 2022

2 bil may well have been just a down payment for future services.

Slammer

(714 posts)
55. 2 cents
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 07:57 PM
Apr 2022

"Why the Hell Isn't Jared Kushner's $2 Billion Saudi Payment a Big Scandal?"

Mainly because is isn't a $2 billion payment.

As noted in the rest of the article, it's a $2 billion dollar investment which Kushner is totally unqualified to manage.

But teaching yourself to manage money by experimenting with someone else's money is less controversial than someone paying you $2 billion. And rightly so.

If we want to get people riled about what's happening, we need to be honest about what's happening rather than building up a momentary false outrage then immediately dashing it for anyone who reads the article.

You never want to raise expectations then immediately show that whatever you're trying to build up outrage about is a nothing-burger compared to the expectations which you set.

Bettie

(16,130 posts)
58. Because the media chooses not to cover it
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 09:03 PM
Apr 2022

and the DOJ and apparently, others think it isn't a big deal.

Praek3

(149 posts)
59. Make Him Pay
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 09:33 PM
Apr 2022

I demand to see an accounting of my taxpayer dollars used by Kushner for this Saudi grift.

I want to see a copy of the invoices for his travel expenses, Secret Service expenses, phone expenses, etc. pertaining to his trips to secure this grift on the American taxpayer dime.

Even more importantly I want to see copies of Jarvanka's payments for reimbursing us. This is outright grand larceny otherwise.

allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
64. $2 billion is a HUGE sum, a sum that bails out the Kushner family's debt on the NYC "666"
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:15 AM
Apr 2022

building investment. It should be investigated.

Scrivener7

(51,025 posts)
66. Oh, no! This is not for that. Qatar ALREADY bailed out 666. WHILE tfg was in office.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 09:29 AM
Apr 2022

But nothing to see here.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
69. open corruption and open grift
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 11:42 AM
Apr 2022

was the name of the game in trump's WH. Nothing will happen to Jarad, just like Ivanka, the other trump advisor coming out at the end of trump's 4 years with 640 million dollars she DID NOT have upon entering the WH as a chief aide to the 45th POTUS. All the corruption and grift are disgusting. I'm s 74-year-old veteran whose car went to the grave recently. Poor credit and small down payment for a ratty little used car? I'm turned down. Bad credit is on me from past mistakes in marriage and housing. All this shit about cars for vets is BS and these clowns have billions and millions just thrown at them. I see them in a room just wallowing in bucks...I hate them and the hypocritical rich of this country.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,572 posts)
70. Why isn't it even a minor scandal?
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 11:56 AM
Apr 2022

JFC! What passes for oversight and journalism is beyond pathetic and into the disgusting range.

ffr

(22,672 posts)
72. If only we had a media empire like the Russians do in the U.S.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 12:23 PM
Apr 2022

With foreign paid 'non-journalists' who play the parts of journalists and news anchors, making up shit as they go along. Then we might be able to level the playing field and harp on the RW scandals and make them Breaking News headline banners 24/7, like they do about whatever it is that Vladimir Putin wants them to say.

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