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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/04/why-the-hell-isnt-jared-kushners-2-billion-saudi-payment-a-big-scandal/2 hours ago
Why the Hell Isnt Jared Kushners $2 Billion Saudi Payment a Big Scandal?
Anyone remember Billygate?
David Corn
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Billygate is a good point of reference when assessing what could be called Jaredgate. On April 10, the New York Times revealed that Jared Kushner, son-in-law and adviser of the 45th president, secured a $2 billion investment for his new private equity firm, Affinity Partners, from a fund controlled by the Saudi crown princeeven after advisers to the Saudi fund raised serious objections to the investment. The screening panel for the Saudi fund had cited the inexperience of the Affinity Fund management; an unsatisfactory in all aspects due diligence report; a proposed asset management fee that seemed excessive; and public relations risks. Yet the panel was overruled by the funds board, which is headed by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabias autocratic de facto leader, who, according to US intelligence, green-lit the operation that resulted in the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
Its damn hard to not see the $2 billion investment as either a payoff for past services rendered or a preemptive bribe should Trump manage to regain the White House. And it could be both. Its a wonder that the disclosure of this deal hasnt created more of a fuss and prompted congressional investigations. (Imagine what Republicans and Fox News would be doing if Hunter Biden received $2 billion from a Ukrainian government leader who was responsible for the gruesome murder of an American resident.) A 10-figure payment to a relative of a former president who is essentially the current (though undeclared) GOP frontrunner in the 2024 contest and possibly the next inhabitant of the White House is a major scandal.
Or it should be.
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Whatever the past or future quid pro quos, if any, this deal stinks and demands congressional scrutiny. Allowing foreign authoritarians to shower billions of dollars upon family members of past, present, or future presidents is ethically wrong but carries a greater threat. As Ali Al-Ahmed, the director of the Institute for Gulf Affairs, wrote in the Washington Post, The prospect of a dictator using his deep pockets to wield influence at the highest levels of the U.S. political system should be cause for serious concern and targeted action. Not all attacks on American democracy will take the shape of violent insurrectionsthe corruption of the Saudi-Kushner deal is an attack on democracy, too.
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The Trump cosmos is full of grift and scandal. And whats $2 billion compared to an attempt to overturn an election and incite violent insurrection? But in a world of never-ending Trump sleaze, this shady venture does stand out as especially egregious. At the very least, Kushner deserves the Billygate treatment.
walkingman
(7,671 posts)Were it not for Kushner being in the political cloud we more than likely would not even know about it. An example is the billions that were falsely collected during the Covid stimulus plan.
No, in America the guy stealing food, selling cigarettes, petty theft, or smoking a joint is considered much more dangerous individual that a greedy bastard.
Makes you wish there really was a HELL.
Mosby
(16,377 posts)walkingman
(7,671 posts)Scrivener7
(51,025 posts)And I'm not a lawyer, but usually when the smell test stinks this bad, the lawyers can verbalize what laws gave been broken. I am guessing they'd be able to do so in this case.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)William Gustafson
(299 posts)Has anyone seen this laptop...? a picture, anything to prove there is a laptop...
Rudy has only a hard drive, which he has copied more times than Carter has pills.....
He turned a copy over to the FBI and even they knew this was crap....
They found Metadata that was downloaded on this hard drive a year after they said they found this in the Blind man computer repair shop...
Rudy also said that there was child porn on this, and he has copied it and gave to his friends... How is this not a felony, copied child porn and giving it to other people?....
With all that these dipshits have said is on the Hard Drive, no one has actually seen the laptop because it does not exist!!!
IT's a lie.... always has been.
Scrivener7
(51,025 posts)is a fact that gets no coverage at all.
cilla4progress
(24,782 posts)whathehell
(29,096 posts)the Saving & Loan Scandal's Keating Five and folks like Bernie Madoff?
White collar crime may be under-prosecuted relative to street crime, but that's partly because evidence gathering is much harder (DNA and Fingerprinting being irrelelevant) but calling it "a non-issuue in America" wildly overstates it.
walkingman
(7,671 posts)Response to walkingman (Reply #40)
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whathehell
(29,096 posts)that prosecuting a Deutsche Bank imoney laundering scheme is more complex and time consuming than prosecuting a local.stick up job...Just sayin.
certainot
(9,090 posts)if it's a democrat, for instance
been like that for 30 years
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,769 posts)That the right wing press is making mountains out of Durham's filings when there is nothing there, does not make it that the DOJ is giving it 'air'... The press is. The fact is, not the press nor even people here seem all that interested in what the DOJ is doing with the case:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216597309
Some do, but I admit I was surprised how few showed any interest... I guess it's just easier to blame the DOJ instead of the culprits.
gab13by13
(21,418 posts)working for the DOJ. Bill Barr appointed him and put guard rails in so that he could not be fired.
There is nothing stopping Merrick Garland to appoint a special prosecutor to look into Jared Kushner.
Ohio Joe
(21,769 posts)The investigation seems to be going fine
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,769 posts)It just likes to try and bring up the bogus laptop in filings.
It is true that we do not know for certain the investigation into what is/was going on with Barrack involves Kushner as the other two people not yet indicted are only listed as unindicted co-conspirator-1 and -2. The investigation is still ongoing and I think emptywheel makes an excellent case for Kushner to be one of them (and if you read deeper, Bannon as the other). I know it's a lot to read through and digest but I really recommend it.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,769 posts)That is still not the DOJ giving it 'air', it is still the press giving it.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... behind them gives the allegations the air of truth.
"well lets see ..." or "what does he have to hind ..." is NOT a reason to investigate anyone.
There's usually a probable cause for an investigation of any kind here the DOJ has ... ***NONE*** ... and its disgusting to see them involved.
Ohio Joe
(21,769 posts)If President Biden or the DOJ stopped it once he took office, it would have created an even bigger deal of it. Cries of 'cover up' would be screamed out forever. Letting it die out of it's own accord is the only option. But hey... I get it... Yet another thing repugs did that we can blame on the Biden administration.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)If President Biden or the DOJ stopped it once he took office, it would have created an even bigger deal of it. Cries of 'cover up' would be screamed out forever. Letting it die out of it's own accord is the only option. But hey... I get it... Yet another thing repugs did that we can blame on the Biden administration.
So the DOJ doesn't mind looking politically partisan keeping up an investigation with ZERO probable cause for it beginning to satisfy the marginations of the politically partisan?
Damned if they do, damned if they don't ... might as well do the right damn thing no?
tia
Ohio Joe
(21,769 posts)That is the point. They are letting an investigation that will go nowhere play out. It only becomes partisan if they stop it.
Most people dont know the first thing about the investigation but if it were stopped all of those people would think coverup. Self inflicted wounds are the worst kind. It is far better to let the cultists yell ahh ha every six months because of right wing media and it be yet another nothing burger rather than shoot ourselves in the face.
Fortunately, the President and his administration understand this and ignore the calls for self mutilation.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... for an investigation to start due to no laws being broken.
You're saying "letting an investigation ..." there SHOULD BE NO investigation to start !!!
There's nothing there to even start it !!!
Police CAN NOT come to you and say we're investigating you to see if we find some thing ... that's against the law on its face
Ohio Joe
(21,769 posts)And demanding they make it worse... A foolish move. i'm glad they have more sense than to listen.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... and not ending it knowing damn well there's no laws being broken.
That's not blaming an administration I'm blaming the institution which right now is doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason.
Ohio Joe
(21,769 posts)I don't know why but I'm done here.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... the peoples justice department not Trumps, Obama's or Biden's
There's never a bad time to start doing the right thing,
No one said end the investigation in the dumbest way possible
lindysalsagal
(20,741 posts)Remember Bush 2.0? Didn't go after him, either.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)That scandal and thousands more. It is sickening how much they get away with.
usaf-vet
(6,215 posts)Does anyone understand the levels of security clearances possible?
Please enlighten the rest of us. Thanks
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)what I read he was so underwater with the 666 building that the recommendation was to demolish it and build new. But that is JarJar a true boy wonder, fixer of all, savior of the Middle East and confidant to oppressive rulers who kill, torture, and oppress women and other countries.
OMGWTF
(3,978 posts)calimary
(81,523 posts)Considering who his father-in-law is. Those numbers fit.
LogicFirst
(572 posts)Ray Bruns
(4,115 posts)Because:
1. Will Smith slapped Chris Rock at the Oscars.
2. Hunter Biden's laptop.
3. People's Convoy.
4. Some unqualified moron in Florida made a ruling that we don't have to wear masks anymore.
5. Gas prices were high.
6. Hillary's emails.
7. Benghazi.
Did I miss anything?
OMGWTF
(3,978 posts)They get away with murder. In the literal sense.
whathehell
(29,096 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)That still gets coverage on Fox every day. And that's exactly the way they make their sheeple perceive it.
Illegal, dirty, disease-ridden, criminal invaders. Coming to take their jobs and collect welfare.
MagickMuffin
(15,960 posts)That would be my guess. Jared Kushner bought the media.
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2naSalit
(86,822 posts)dalton99a
(81,635 posts)Marthe48
(17,042 posts)It is easier and easier to see that the people in control scratch each other's backs and don't publish what they don't want people to know.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)have some real money. Poor Jared is looking for 7 billion and only has $500 million raised without the Saudi money. And look just like he wasnt Harvard material, the Saudis are saying its too risky to give this much money to a dummy like Jared. Here is a guy that paid the most money ever for commercial real estate in NY which is essentially now a year down. JarJar thinks he is smart but is just a member of the lucky sperm club, a guy who never seems to fail because others prop him up. The dangerous part is that JarJar thinks he is smartest guy in the room.
jaxexpat
(6,860 posts)repeatedly in response to the press' most "important" questions regarding Billy's antics and Secret Service costs and how embarrassing that a PRESIDENT had such a family, what was the neighborhood coming to? It was front page stuff for months, Scandal city USA, Democrats just aren't house trained, etc., ad nauseum.
But when it came to the obvious grifting from the first son-in-law, crickets. The press literally screamed total silence and ...er ...amnesia......I think...uh....it's all a little fuzzy and they were feeling, collectively and in concert......a little woozy.. Someone was hitting the press on the head, causing them to suffer from "A-list" amnesia, and they were forgetting to talk or inquire about the unbelievable and inexplicable transfer of wealth's bounty into the 1st SIL's coffers.
" It's good to be king."
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Novara
(5,853 posts)IOKIYAR
Republicans can get away with $2 billion bribes but if a democrat's grandma sneezes, we'll have to have 11 hearings about it.
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diane in sf
(3,919 posts)how badly it trashes the overall economy. So the continually push Republican propaganda.
Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)on a wall of post-it notes.
It blends into the background.
onecaliberal
(32,916 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,657 posts)no matter how bad it is.
Am I wrong?
Hassler
(3,392 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)They have the support of their Party
mnmoderatedem
(3,729 posts)because Hillary's emails.
because Benghazi.
because Obama's birth certificate
because Monica Lewinsky
because the Clinton Foundation
because Whitewater.
I'm sure I am leaving some out, but you get the point.
Evolve Dammit
(16,781 posts)tells you how fucked we truly are.
deminks
(11,018 posts)2 bil may well have been just a down payment for future services.
Rocknation
(44,580 posts)Hunter Biden's laptop
Rocknation
Slammer
(714 posts)"Why the Hell Isn't Jared Kushner's $2 Billion Saudi Payment a Big Scandal?"
Mainly because is isn't a $2 billion payment.
As noted in the rest of the article, it's a $2 billion dollar investment which Kushner is totally unqualified to manage.
But teaching yourself to manage money by experimenting with someone else's money is less controversial than someone paying you $2 billion. And rightly so.
If we want to get people riled about what's happening, we need to be honest about what's happening rather than building up a momentary false outrage then immediately dashing it for anyone who reads the article.
You never want to raise expectations then immediately show that whatever you're trying to build up outrage about is a nothing-burger compared to the expectations which you set.
Bettie
(16,130 posts)and the DOJ and apparently, others think it isn't a big deal.
Praek3
(149 posts)I demand to see an accounting of my taxpayer dollars used by Kushner for this Saudi grift.
I want to see a copy of the invoices for his travel expenses, Secret Service expenses, phone expenses, etc. pertaining to his trips to secure this grift on the American taxpayer dime.
Even more importantly I want to see copies of Jarvanka's payments for reimbursing us. This is outright grand larceny otherwise.
Emile
(22,988 posts)allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)building investment. It should be investigated.
Scrivener7
(51,025 posts)But nothing to see here.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Hotler
(11,447 posts)is afraid of him.
llashram
(6,265 posts)was the name of the game in trump's WH. Nothing will happen to Jarad, just like Ivanka, the other trump advisor coming out at the end of trump's 4 years with 640 million dollars she DID NOT have upon entering the WH as a chief aide to the 45th POTUS. All the corruption and grift are disgusting. I'm s 74-year-old veteran whose car went to the grave recently. Poor credit and small down payment for a ratty little used car? I'm turned down. Bad credit is on me from past mistakes in marriage and housing. All this shit about cars for vets is BS and these clowns have billions and millions just thrown at them. I see them in a room just wallowing in bucks...I hate them and the hypocritical rich of this country.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,572 posts)JFC! What passes for oversight and journalism is beyond pathetic and into the disgusting range.
ffr
(22,672 posts)With foreign paid 'non-journalists' who play the parts of journalists and news anchors, making up shit as they go along. Then we might be able to level the playing field and harp on the RW scandals and make them Breaking News headline banners 24/7, like they do about whatever it is that Vladimir Putin wants them to say.