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Take no Russian prisoners. (Original Post) lpbk2713 Apr 2022 OP
What should be done if they surrender?  ( n/t ) Make7 Apr 2022 #1
(Hands held up) "Nicht schiessen! Nicht schiessen!" yagotme Apr 2022 #2
The same thing that was done to the women and children they executed standing in a bread line onecaliberal Apr 2022 #5
People Do Stop Surrendering Then, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2022 #3
Agreed, Sir. Celerity Apr 2022 #12
You Evince A Talent For Understatement, Ma'am.... The Magistrate Apr 2022 #13
I believe that will be up to the Ukrainian forces Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #4
We already know how the orcs treat captured forces. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #9
It remains a decision for the Ukrainian forces Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #21
Am I making decisions for the Ukrainian forces here? Are any of us even capable of it? Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #30
You are expressing an opinion Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #31
I'm going to utilize the ignore function now. Probably best for both of us at this point. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #32
Please do Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #33
It would be a war crime. former9thward Apr 2022 #6
IMO, you accept their surrender... The Unmitigated Gall Apr 2022 #7
Bad strategy. Escalating only leads to more atrocities...nt Wounded Bear Apr 2022 #8
The difference between us & the barbarian hordes is supposed to be that we follow the laws... Hekate Apr 2022 #10
So now we are advocating we commit war crimes too? Celerity Apr 2022 #11
I sent an alert. old as dirt Apr 2022 #23
??? I disagree with the OP, but I think it was in reference to Russian soldiers in Ukraine n/t 867-5309. Apr 2022 #28
Some 4 decades ago, ... old as dirt Apr 2022 #29
lol this fuckin place WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2022 #14
Such a small step sarisataka Apr 2022 #15
Encouragement and cheering for war crimes. How fucking dare you? 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2022 #16
Ukrainians are not blood thirsty inhumane monsters. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #17
Bad idea, you want them all to surrender & killing them makes them not nt EX500rider Apr 2022 #18
Is that the only reason not to do it? n/t 867-5309. Apr 2022 #27
No, it's also a war crime & against the Geneva Convention. nt EX500rider Apr 2022 #34
I'm in the minority here vercetti2021 Apr 2022 #19
We have failed at times, in the past, but... LudwigPastorius Apr 2022 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author old as dirt Apr 2022 #22
What the fuck? greenjar_01 Apr 2022 #24
I'm not sure what the rush is to be like Russia ripcord Apr 2022 #25
That's a pretty broad brush you've got there n/t 867-5309. Apr 2022 #26
IMO the reason that you take prisoners and treat them humanely is to incentivize surrender. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #35

yagotme

(2,919 posts)
2. (Hands held up) "Nicht schiessen! Nicht schiessen!"
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:34 PM
Apr 2022

BANG!
"What does nicht schiessen mean?"
"Look Ma; I washed for supper."

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
5. The same thing that was done to the women and children they executed standing in a bread line
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:40 PM
Apr 2022

They’re raping babies.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
3. People Do Stop Surrendering Then, Sir
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:37 PM
Apr 2022

You want them willing to put up their hands and live, it's far less trouble.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
13. You Evince A Talent For Understatement, Ma'am....
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:00 PM
Apr 2022

To be fair, I don't suppose many here ever have supported a war before. It's a heady thing to do.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
4. I believe that will be up to the Ukrainian forces
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:38 PM
Apr 2022

to decide. One treats POWs well with a expectation that your captured forces will be treated equally.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
9. We already know how the orcs treat captured forces.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 09:29 PM
Apr 2022

The only reason to treat them well is to incentivize surrender.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
21. It remains a decision for the Ukrainian forces
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 05:00 AM
Apr 2022

And not those on an internet discussion board thousands of miles away.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
30. Am I making decisions for the Ukrainian forces here? Are any of us even capable of it?
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 01:57 PM
Apr 2022

Do you understand what expressing an opinion is?

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
31. You are expressing an opinion
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 02:43 PM
Apr 2022

so am I

To quote......"Do you understand what expressing an opinion is?"

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
32. I'm going to utilize the ignore function now. Probably best for both of us at this point.
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 02:47 PM
Apr 2022

This discussion being the epitome of pointlessness.

The Unmitigated Gall

(3,817 posts)
7. IMO, you accept their surrender...
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:52 PM
Apr 2022

And treat them humanely. But you also interview them and take statements. If there are credible reports of soldiers who committed atrocities those reports should be investigated further, and punishments of varying severity laid out against what crimes had been shown to have been committed, up to and including execution.

Hekate

(90,706 posts)
10. The difference between us & the barbarian hordes is supposed to be that we follow the laws...
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 09:38 PM
Apr 2022

…and the barbarian hordes do not.

Yes, war actually has laws, like no rape and no torture. So, when Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld decided waterboarding and Abu Ghraig and such were just peachy keen with them, a lot of Americans were shocked to the core, because we thought we were better than that.

So, no to what you said. Follow the law, even if the monsters do not. Capture, imprison humanely with food and water, and put the bastards on trial.



 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
23. I sent an alert.
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 11:01 AM
Apr 2022

There was no option mentioning International Law, so I clicked on US Law, instead.

I could have clicked on Group Attacks as well, I suppose, but (on my old android device, anyway) I had to choose one.

I'll be curious to see what the verdict is.



It shouldn't be that hard for folks to find Russians.

Hell, I've been retired for some time now, but I bet I could find a couple on the faculty list of the math department right here at the university.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
29. Some 4 decades ago, ...
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 12:06 PM
Apr 2022

…I could hear the shouts of “USA!” and “Iranians go home!” every day outside from my 4th floor office window in the math department.

One day, a friend, who had married an Iranian student and converted to Islam, stepped into an elevator in the university dorms. Five white guys got on after her, and by the time the elevator door opened, her face was covered with cuts and bruises, and she had several broken ribs.

Threads like this are dangerous for our friends, our families, and our neighbors.

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
16. Encouragement and cheering for war crimes. How fucking dare you?
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:21 PM
Apr 2022

I have been very vocal in support more involvement in Ukraine. But dear God I hope none of you future war criminals ever serve or have served. Disgraceful and beyond contempt.

LudwigPastorius

(9,150 posts)
20. We have failed at times, in the past, but...
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 11:37 PM
Apr 2022

we are supposed to be better than summary executions on the battlefield.

War is hell, but most of the people who died fighting under the flag of the United States did so believing that we stand for civilization over barbarity, and the rule of law over inhuman atrocity.

Our allies should be held to the same standards.

Response to lpbk2713 (Original post)

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
35. IMO the reason that you take prisoners and treat them humanely is to incentivize surrender.
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 03:01 PM
Apr 2022

Otherwise you encourage them to fight to the death. It's, IMO, the best policy just from a pragmatic standpoint, and leaving out the moral dimension.

At the same time I find the feelings expressed by many here to be understandable. Many of us are dealing with feelings of rage with no real outlet, and sounding off on a discussion board helps for many, I'm sure.

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