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John Fetterman campaign ad (PA-SEN-D) (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2022 OP
Can't wait to call him Senator Fetterman. Butterflylady Apr 2022 #1
I agree! He will be a great Senator. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #14
This is so unhelpful. yardwork Apr 2022 #2
And by "this kind of behavior", you mean "posting a campaign ad"? brooklynite Apr 2022 #3
I mean accusing other Democrats of lying. yardwork Apr 2022 #5
The PAC supporting Lamb was lying ...said Fetterman was a self-identified Democratic Socialist... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #10
So PACs supporting Congressman Lamb should be able to tell lies with impunity about Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #15
Why do you assume that my post is criticizing one side and not the other? yardwork Apr 2022 #21
it was a falsehood though, and the Lamb-supporting Super Pac Pen Progress had its advert pulled Celerity Apr 2022 #18
+100000 Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #19
yw! cheers Celerity Apr 2022 #20
Fetterman did not attack anyone. He did not mention Lamb or the Pac associated with Lamb that Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #9
I like him but I'm concerned about his ability to win statewide in the current climate. WarGamer Apr 2022 #4
Agree. I was considering donating to Lamb question everything Apr 2022 #7
Lamb is now in low double digits and single digits in some recent polls...Fetterman is at 41% in Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #16
Let me tell you something... I am not crazy about Lamb as he ran against Nancy Pelosi in Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #11
If I could snap my fingers... WarGamer Apr 2022 #23
Fetterman's ads are showing up on evening news slots these days FakeNoose Apr 2022 #6
He has been campaigning everywhere...red, blue and purple...this is how we win. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #17
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2022 #8
I met him a number of times at union functions...he is a great guy. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #12
Thanks for this post K&R. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #13
Fetterman vs. Dr. Oz? Fyrefox Apr 2022 #22

yardwork

(61,622 posts)
2. This is so unhelpful.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:47 PM
Apr 2022

It's up to the people of Pennsylvania to pick their Democratic nominee for Senator. I think both Fetterman and Lamb seem like good candidates. What's supremely unhelpful is this scorched earth negativity where fans are attacking one of the candidates.

Just stop. This is the kind of behavior that lost us the 2016 presidential election.

yardwork

(61,622 posts)
5. I mean accusing other Democrats of lying.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 09:20 PM
Apr 2022

I mean breathless amplifying of emotionally laden accusations. Republicans do that to Democrats. Too many Democrats do it to one another.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
10. The PAC supporting Lamb was lying ...said Fetterman was a self-identified Democratic Socialist...
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:28 PM
Apr 2022

Liz Warren sent a message to Lamb and told him to get the ad pulled and it was.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
15. So PACs supporting Congressman Lamb should be able to tell lies with impunity about
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:38 PM
Apr 2022

Fetterman? And he doesn't get to respond? NO.

yardwork

(61,622 posts)
21. Why do you assume that my post is criticizing one side and not the other?
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 07:26 AM
Apr 2022

Please reread my post. I don't single out either side. I'm saying that it is not helpful for Democrats to make emotional accusations against one another.

Celerity

(43,383 posts)
18. it was a falsehood though, and the Lamb-supporting Super Pac Pen Progress had its advert pulled
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:49 PM
Apr 2022
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/apr/06/penn-progress/no-evidence-fetterman-is-democratic-socialist/





NPR retracted its description

The ad cites NPR for this claim. On Nov. 28, 2020, NPR broadcast a story about Fetterman in which the reporter called Fetterman a "self-described democratic socialist." On Dec. 6, 2021, NPR attached a correction: "This story wrongly states that Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. John Fetterman is a ‘self-described democratic socialist.’ He is not." The same day the super PAC’s ad was released, lawyers for Fetterman and his campaign called on television stations to take down the ad, calling it false and defamatory. "Fetterman has never described himself as a ‘democratic socialist,’" their letter said. The letter referred to the NPR story and the correction. Fetterman’s campaign announced the same day that a Philadelphia TV station had taken down the ad.

We reached out to Penn Progress but did not hear back. Politico reporter Holly Otterbein tweeted that she asked the group for evidence to back its claim. Otterbein wrote that the PAC referred her to a 2016 article in Public Opinion, a Pennsylvania newspaper, and a 2021 article in Forbes that called Fetterman a self-described democratic socialist, but no articles in which he’s quoted calling himself one. Both articles used the phrase, "self-described democratic socialist." On April 6, the Forbes article was updated: "Correction: This story had incorrectly identified Fetterman as a ‘democratic socialist’ — he is not."

Lamb also used socialist tag

Politico reported in December that Lamb referred to Fetterman as a socialist, but Lamb’s campaign did not provide any evidence. On April 3, after a debate that Fetterman did not attend, Lamb said, according to the Washington Post: "The socialist label sticks on John because of the policies he actually has advocated and the people like Bernie Sanders that he has actively campaigned with." Fetterman endorsed Sanders in Sanders’ 2016 presidential run. In 2016, an interviewer asked Fetterman: "You are very progressive, I think — I could be wrong but you label yourself as a democratic socialist?"

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40 seconds into the video below:

Fetterman replied: "No, I don’t label myself a democratic socialist, but I certainly ran the most progressive campaign in my race this past spring."




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Fetterman did not endorse Sanders in 2020 btw, he endorsed Biden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_endorsements#State_Department_officials



Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
9. Fetterman did not attack anyone. He did not mention Lamb or the Pac associated with Lamb that
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:26 PM
Apr 2022

he refers to...Congressman Lamb's PAC should stop it in a Democratic primary.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
16. Lamb is now in low double digits and single digits in some recent polls...Fetterman is at 41% in
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:40 PM
Apr 2022

the polls.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
11. Let me tell you something... I am not crazy about Lamb as he ran against Nancy Pelosi in
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:33 PM
Apr 2022

the first election for the House...now granted it was a GOP district...but he promised not to vote for Pelosi and he didn't. He voted for Joe Kennedy. And his first year...68% of his votes supported Trump legislation. Redistricting made this district more competitive for us so he wasn't winning a red district after the first election.

I think a Senator Lamb would side with Sinema and Manchin myself. Fetterman is a loyal Democrat and will vote for Biden's agenda. Also, Lamb is like all the others, the most recent being Katie McGinty- who lost a Senate seat in Pennsylvania...he won't win. Now, I can't say for certain Fetterman can pull it off but he has a shot. IMHO, Lamb does not.

WarGamer

(12,444 posts)
23. If I could snap my fingers...
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 05:41 PM
Apr 2022

I'd rather have a Senator Fetterman.

But how does he poll vs Oz?

With the full weight of Trump and the MAGAt's behind Oz... plus the independent and suburban value of Oz's name recognition... it'll be a tough fight.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
6. Fetterman's ads are showing up on evening news slots these days
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:17 PM
Apr 2022

His pre-primary ads are geared towards the PA voters, of course.
He's got several good ads running in the Pittsburgh area.

Fyrefox

(300 posts)
22. Fetterman vs. Dr. Oz?
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 07:43 AM
Apr 2022

I expect John Fetterman to eventually run against Dr. Oz for the republicans, who is currently being savaged by other republicans in the primary as a “Hollywood liberal.” It will be an interesting and colorful campaign…

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