Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

JohnSJ

(92,204 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 06:29 AM Apr 2022

How Much Does Your Mask Protect You if Others Aren't Wearing One?

"If you're the only one with a mask on, are you still protected? Here's what experts say about mask effectiveness and COVID risk on public transit.

........

What the experts say
"The short answer is yes," says Dr. Reynold Panettieri, Jr, a critical care physician and Professor of Medicine at Robert Wood Johnson Medical School -- it is worth it. "The long answer is that it's not as effective as everyone else wearing a mask."

Wearing a cloth mask reduces your risk of catching COVID-19 by about two-fold, he says, whereas a disposable surgical mask is between "five- and seven-fold better." NIOSH-approved N95 respirators provide the most protection, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, when they're worn properly and sealed snugly to your face.

Dr. Taylor Nelson is an osteopathic infectious disease physician at the University of Missouri Health Care. She said in an email to CNET that protection varies on the type of mask, but also how well it fits.

"Multilayer cloth masks can limit about 50 to 80% of small particles from escaping when someone coughs," Nelson says. "On the other hand, the same quality of mask may prevent up to about 50% of these particles when the exposed person is wearing a mask while the infected person is not."

........

What the research says
A CDC report from February 2021 on mask effectiveness using simulated respiratory droplets found that "double-masking" by layering a cloth mask over a surgical mask decreased a person's exposure in a no-mask/mask situation by 83%. For a person wearing a "knotted and tucked" medical mask, which tightens the seal around your nose and mouth, there was a 64.5% decrease in exposure. (Check out this CDC video on how to knot and tuck a surgical mask correctly.)

In the CDC's simulation study, a regular surgical mask provided only 7.5% protection for the wearer. Another simulation study from Japan found cloth masks offered a 20% to 40% reduction in virus uptake compared to no mask, with N95 masks providing the most protection for the wearer (80% to 90% reduction).

Broadly speaking, people who always wear masks indoors are less likely to test positive for COVID-19 than people who do not, according to a February report by the CDC. People who reported wearing cloth masks had 56% lower odds, people who wore surgical masks had 66% lower odds and those who reported wearing a KN95 or N95 had 83% lower odds. A big qualifier noted in this report, however, is that people who report wearing masks indoors might be more likely to take other protective measures that help prevent COVID-19 infection, such as avoiding crowded areas when possible."

https://www.cnet.com/health/medical/how-much-does-your-mask-protect-you-if-others-arent-wearing-one/


25 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
How Much Does Your Mask Protect You if Others Aren't Wearing One? (Original Post) JohnSJ Apr 2022 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Tomconroy Apr 2022 #1
corrected URL Celerity Apr 2022 #7
Problem is The NY Times has a pay wall if one exceeds the free reads. The OPs link does not JohnSJ Apr 2022 #15
use this Celerity Apr 2022 #18
+++ JohnSJ Apr 2022 #21
Double masking for the most part underpants Apr 2022 #2
I modified my N 95 mask too. To wear over the ears Walleye Apr 2022 #3
In that case you should just buy (genuine) KN95s sir pball Apr 2022 #14
Thanks for the tip, I'll look for that Walleye Apr 2022 #17
Glad you pointed that out Farmer-Rick Apr 2022 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Farmer-Rick Apr 2022 #23
Jeeze these numbers are all over the place. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #4
Yes, and the last indicator: a better FITTING one is better in all cases. FailureToCommunicate Apr 2022 #11
Why not just say .... rickford66 Apr 2022 #5
Thank you. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #6
N95s are available pretty much everywhere so this is good news. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #8
How Propaganda Works Roy Rolling Apr 2022 #9
+1 Spot On! Emile Apr 2022 #19
Agree With The Conclusions - Question The Numbers ProfessorGAC Apr 2022 #10
I would assume the mask chokes under the pressure of a cough sir pball Apr 2022 #20
That's Not Likely Applicable ProfessorGAC Apr 2022 #25
The more the argue about wearing masks the more inclined I am twodogsbarking Apr 2022 #12
I will continue DownriverDem Apr 2022 #13
My N-95 never leaves my face when out in public. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2022 #16
Good fitting American made N95s are widely available now IronLionZion Apr 2022 #24

Response to JohnSJ (Original post)

underpants

(182,823 posts)
2. Double masking for the most part
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 06:47 AM
Apr 2022

Walmart hands out some comfortable N95’s which I wear inside a cloth mask that fits my ears much better. I cut off the straps on the inner mask.
I do have a N95 that I changed into an over the ears mask that I wear if I know I’m going to need to speak to someone a lot in a store or elsewhere.
Still distancing as much as possible.

Lots of time in medical facilities this year. Two surgeries for me and one for my mom. Lots of follow ups etc.

sir pball

(4,742 posts)
14. In that case you should just buy (genuine) KN95s
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 09:18 AM
Apr 2022

The only practical difference between the two is the strap setup; N95s are behind the head while KN95s (and KF94s) are over the ear. The protection is functionally identical.

Farmer-Rick

(10,175 posts)
22. Glad you pointed that out
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 09:45 AM
Apr 2022

And the K95 can be as effective as the N95 if you ensure a tight fit.

When the pandemic first started, I did a lot of research on masks. I found the best I could afford and sent them to my children too.

The ones over the ears rub the back of my ears sore. So I prefer the ones that go around the head. Most masks that go around your ears can be converted to wrap around your head too.

I'm still wearing them. When death rates drop to flu like rates, I'll stop wearing them.



Response to sir pball (Reply #14)

oldsoftie

(12,548 posts)
4. Jeeze these numbers are all over the place.
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 07:07 AM
Apr 2022

nothing new. Wearing one is better than NOT wearing one. Wearing a good one is better than wearing an average one. Everyone wearing one is better than only YOU wearing one. Duh.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
11. Yes, and the last indicator: a better FITTING one is better in all cases.
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 08:09 AM
Apr 2022

When masks were still required (remember the good old days...last year) I'd see sloppy fitting masks, or, guys with full beards having only the little patch around their mouth and nose covered. Like a fig leaf on a nude.

rickford66

(5,523 posts)
5. Why not just say ....
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 07:07 AM
Apr 2022

Better than nothing and more is better. Today's messages have to fit on bumper stickers for the Rubes. They can only handle three words at a time.

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
9. How Propaganda Works
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 07:46 AM
Apr 2022

Apologies if this is off-topic and it certainly isn’t a comment on the honorable DU poster.

But the fact that the American conversation in 2022 is about “are masks good?”–more than two years after the start of the pandemic—is what propagandists want to clog the media with.

It’s a topic for the uninformed or deliberately misinformed, and engaging with others about it creates a bond. To some, that bond is academic and intellectual, to others it’s a common radical hero worship of everything labeled as having evidence.

At DU it’s an academic/Scientific conversation. To the propaganda politically-captured, it’s a dog-whistle.

ProfessorGAC

(65,057 posts)
10. Agree With The Conclusions - Question The Numbers
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 07:53 AM
Apr 2022

There is a continued misunderstanding of the physics of filtration in articles like these.
Notably, the first snip says a cloth mask limits 50-80% of coughed particles, but 50% on inhalation.
This makes no sense, as pressure & fluid velocity both have a negative effect on filter efficiency. So, both of these numbers can't be true. My understanding of 2 phase flow & filtration makes me believe the first value, but that would make the 50% value a severe underestimate.
Does filtration media matter? Of course, but I believe the efficacy of masks has been understated for nearly the entire pandemic period.

sir pball

(4,742 posts)
20. I would assume the mask chokes under the pressure of a cough
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 09:43 AM
Apr 2022

At lower fluid velocity/pressure differentials, like you'd find in normal respiration, the mask will flow pretty freely, but if you abruptly increase the differential with a cough, the pores in the mask essentially get overwhelmed and clog up, restricting further flow. It's pretty easily demonstrated if you tightly seal a cloth mask to your face and try to blow a strong puff through it - you'll encounter a lot more resistance than with simple breathing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choked_flow

ProfessorGAC

(65,057 posts)
25. That's Not Likely Applicable
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 05:39 PM
Apr 2022

Pressure drop is pressure drop. The fluidic frictional forces do not change, only the effect at higher inlet pressure and velocity.
Also, at normal, presumably laminar flow, any resistance to flow gets spread out rapidly over the surface area otherwise unused.
Then, a sudden increase in volume & inlet pressure on something held in place by flexible restraints moves to relieve pressure along the perimeter. This causes some flow to escape without going across the substrate.
This Wikipedia article is essentially true, but I don't believe it accurately applies to this situation.
And, I'll stack what I know about 2 phase flow behavior & the physics of coalescence against anyone. (Immodesty acknowledged.)

twodogsbarking

(9,754 posts)
12. The more the argue about wearing masks the more inclined I am
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 08:30 AM
Apr 2022

to continue wearing mine. No cold, flu or local crud in two years.
I see many people that I don't want to share air with.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
16. My N-95 never leaves my face when out in public.
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 09:29 AM
Apr 2022

I can't control what others do, but I can protect myself and my wife as much as possible.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
24. Good fitting American made N95s are widely available now
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 10:08 AM
Apr 2022

FYI, since liberals will often be the only ones still masking in many situations like airlines or transit.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»How Much Does Your Mask P...