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Celerity

(43,491 posts)
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 09:33 AM Apr 2022

Coincidence? I think not.

Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson



Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin



Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen



Estonian Prime Minster Kaja Kallas



Icelandic Prime Minister Katrín Jakobsdóttir



Lithuanian Prime Minister Ingrida Šimonytė




Come on Norway and Latvia, step up to the plate and elect a social democratic female PM!
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Coincidence? I think not. (Original Post) Celerity Apr 2022 OP
Absolutely Delphinus Apr 2022 #1
And don't forget about Jacinda Ardern in New Zealand or past prez Golda Meir of Israel.nt mitch96 Apr 2022 #45
K&R! secondwind Apr 2022 #2
More than Norway and Latvia--elect women in every country. panader0 Apr 2022 #3
oh, mentioned those two as it would complete the set (all 8 Nordic/Baltic nations) Celerity Apr 2022 #6
Right on 3auld6phart Apr 2022 #80
. Achilleaze Apr 2022 #4
Bravo! Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #5
Brava! niyad Apr 2022 #9
Is Brava for females and Bravo for males? I'm so out of touch... Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #66
Yes. niyad Apr 2022 #69
BRAVA! Raster Apr 2022 #20
love your line Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #65
Thanks! Also have it on a T-shirt and wear it everywhere! Raster Apr 2022 #84
It's perfect! Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #87
And it goes over *quite well* in Mesa, Arizona!!! Raster Apr 2022 #88
When women rule the world... 2naSalit Apr 2022 #7
... then we do need way better women for the job! TomWilm Apr 2022 #26
Yeah, unfortunately we women are just as... momta Apr 2022 #35
Yeah canetoad Apr 2022 #61
I Do Not RobinA Apr 2022 #34
You seriously doubt it eh? North Shore Chicago Apr 2022 #83
This underscores the sad reality Tucker's "The End of Men" is really all about the fear of women. sop Apr 2022 #8
It'll be 30 years ago next year when this was first published but... BumRushDaShow Apr 2022 #40
I remember that movie, starring Michael Douglas. sop Apr 2022 #47
... BumRushDaShow Apr 2022 #48
Exactly. niyad Apr 2022 #10
K and r. nt BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #11
And damn, Hillary should have been right there with them. 🤬 🤬 🤬 a kennedy Apr 2022 #12
Maybe it'll eventually be Kamala. llmart Apr 2022 #15
I would LOVE that. momta Apr 2022 #36
That would be lovely, yes. soldierant Apr 2022 #64
K&R. nt c-rational Apr 2022 #13
K&R llmart Apr 2022 #14
I Don't Understand RobinA Apr 2022 #37
It's why I used the adjectives to describe the women we need in top level government. llmart Apr 2022 #41
I guess the question is CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #43
Qualifications being equal, soldierant Apr 2022 #63
I don't know about all of that. CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #67
If you do not know about all of that, then you have not been paying attention. niyad Apr 2022 #68
Are you looking for an argument or something? CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #74
I'm with niyad. Sparkly Apr 2022 #75
Marine LePen comes to mind. How disastrous that would have been. Bev54 Apr 2022 #46
and Margaret Thatcher too DBoon Apr 2022 #56
And look who's next in line in NK..... oldsoftie Apr 2022 #49
Estonia too! OMGWTF Apr 2022 #16
I listed Kaja Kallas Celerity Apr 2022 #17
My husband has said DownriverDem Apr 2022 #18
Hillary Clinton was probably the most qualified POTUS candidate in our lifetimes. Raster Apr 2022 #21
Could not agree more Raster............ DENVERPOPS Apr 2022 #31
Let's make Nikki Fried the next governor of Florida! CaptainTruth Apr 2022 #19
If only they ran clean elections peppertree Apr 2022 #23
Explain please. róisín_dubh Apr 2022 #90
Hmmm...what are your thoughts on her suing Biden Administration AllyCat Apr 2022 #44
Absolutely wonderful! Did not realize. Thanks for posting. Fla Dem Apr 2022 #22
So glad I clicked on this thread! CrispyQ Apr 2022 #24
Would love to see Stacy Abrams take Georgia governorship Bayard Apr 2022 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2022 #27
And the US next IronLionZion Apr 2022 #28
And aren't those, like, 5 of the 10 happiest countries in the world? (can't remember the source) TheRickles Apr 2022 #29
List Celerity Apr 2022 #52
The USA barbtries Apr 2022 #30
truly! LymphocyteLover Apr 2022 #33
Exactly. niyad Apr 2022 #70
I thought Norway did have a female PM? Or you mean she's not a social Dem? LymphocyteLover Apr 2022 #32
The leader of the opposition party in Norway is a woman. The PM is a man. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #50
until 6 months ago they had a female PM, Erna Solberg, a Conservative Celerity Apr 2022 #53
thanks.... I assume "conservative" is relative there? LymphocyteLover Apr 2022 #62
Oh, yes, most members of the Norse Conservative Party would be to the left of Manchin Celerity Apr 2022 #71
Interesting to read about this. JudyM Apr 2022 #86
thanks! LymphocyteLover Apr 2022 #93
These women Traildogbob Apr 2022 #38
All listed are LW/social democrats except for Kaja Kallas (she is head of a centre right/centre left Celerity Apr 2022 #54
Thanks for the info Traildogbob Apr 2022 #55
Awesome. We need more of that around the globe if we're going to save this place. KPN Apr 2022 #39
K&R! gademocrat7 Apr 2022 #42
after listening to bill's eulogy for madeleine albright, mopinko Apr 2022 #51
There definitely is that. calimary Apr 2022 #58
I'd note their ages as well Sympthsical Apr 2022 #57
get the feeling a lot of them started w the problem and mopinko Apr 2022 #60
Thank you. I was going to mention that. niyad Apr 2022 #72
Ageism. Sparkly Apr 2022 #76
No, representation Sympthsical Apr 2022 #77
That's not what you said, though. Sparkly Apr 2022 #79
Also Merkel is no longer in office but she would be another good JI7 Apr 2022 #85
Joe Biden was elected at 77...so let us elect Hilary at 77 in 2024..Why Not? Stuart G Apr 2022 #59
I'd go for that Polybius Apr 2022 #81
During the early part of the pandemic, Forbes (that notorious bastion of niyad Apr 2022 #73
Also the progressive President of Slovakia Zuzana Čaputova Bavorskoami Apr 2022 #78
Sanna Marin is gorgeous! Polybius Apr 2022 #82
They all are! tavernier Apr 2022 #89
Latvia has had both a female prez and pm. tavernier Apr 2022 #91
Off topic newdayneeded Apr 2022 #92

panader0

(25,816 posts)
3. More than Norway and Latvia--elect women in every country.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 09:51 AM
Apr 2022

We men have messed up governing for far too long.

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
7. When women rule the world...
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:05 AM
Apr 2022

We can finally expect that peace is probable. One thing many are not mentioning about our current POTUS is that he is quietly appointing women to numerous high positions within our government. That is a good sign and shows that he gets women's rights better than most men in office.

I'm hoping that soon we will see the majority of nations lead by women.

TomWilm

(1,832 posts)
26. ... then we do need way better women for the job!
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:17 AM
Apr 2022

... since I live in Denmark with a social democratic female PM, and are not happy about it. The norm for Denmark is multi party governments, with ministers from all the supporting parties. She has only chosen ministers from her own party, and the the pool to pick from there has not really been convincing.

Her party is showing some strong totalitarian tendencies with lots of public security cameras and wire taps of ordinary people, and the actual slogan: "More surveillance gives more freedom". It has been deemed illegal by the European Union, but she persists. Generally our social democrats are doing a better job when they are in opposition...

Her government has made some really stupid military adventures, the last one being supposedly fighting pirates at Africa, but with no coalition partners or rules of engagement in place. The legality after killing some pirates down there raised a lot of questions.

We are very used to having lots of women in our governments, but seeing this as some kind of revolutionary change is far from reality. There are a lot of power seeking women, who are no better than men for this kind of job. But OK, incompetent women getting the same jobs as incompetent men is also a kind of progress!

momta

(4,079 posts)
35. Yeah, unfortunately we women are just as...
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:55 AM
Apr 2022

capable of screwing up as the guys are. Still, an SD woman here in the states would likely be a very good thing.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
34. I Do Not
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:52 AM
Apr 2022

expect women to be better, or worse, than men running countries. I'm not even convinced they'd be that different.

Women bringing peace to the world? I seriously doubt it.

BumRushDaShow

(129,391 posts)
40. It'll be 30 years ago next year when this was first published but...
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:03 PM
Apr 2022


(I think I still have it in a file cabinet somewhere)

soldierant

(6,914 posts)
64. That would be lovely, yes.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 05:36 PM
Apr 2022

But I would not want to be betting our democracy on her, or any woman's, chances.

Yes, Hillary was correct in everything she said, and we should listening. But perhaps the most important thing we can learn from her is th strength and persistence of misogyny in the United States.

llmart

(15,552 posts)
14. K&R
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:16 AM
Apr 2022

Oh, hell yeah. This world will be a better more peaceful place if smart, strong, competent women are running things.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
37. I Don't Understand
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:57 AM
Apr 2022

why people think this. I expect that all things being equal there will be just as many smart, strong, competent women running things as there are smart, strong, competent men running things. We have certainly seen recently that a female is not automatically any more competent at government than a man.

llmart

(15,552 posts)
41. It's why I used the adjectives to describe the women we need in top level government.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:03 PM
Apr 2022

I didn't make the assertion that all women would be better than men. I wouldn't want the likes of Sarah Palin or MTG or Boebert etc. in those positions, which is why I said "smart, strong and competent".

Women tend to be less aggressive, more collaborative, less hostile and less likely to have the outsized egos.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
43. I guess the question is
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:13 PM
Apr 2022

Why would it be better than to have smart competent qualified men? I am not really arguing for one or the other, just that we should have smart competent qualified people on government but I will add that our government should be representative of its population. Therefor, to your point, I believe, our government would be better to have more competent qualified women in it.

soldierant

(6,914 posts)
63. Qualifications being equal,
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 05:33 PM
Apr 2022

if you look at a strong, competent woman and a strong cmpetent man, the odds are very, very high that the strong competent woman will have worked much harder and faced untold belittling and discrimination just to get those credentials. That is not a guarantee of empathy , but it is somewhat more likely to lead to empathy than is a male career path.

No, it's definitely not a guarantee. And no, it shouldn't be assumed. But we have seen it happen often enough that we tend to assume it.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
67. I don't know about all of that.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 08:21 PM
Apr 2022

Chances are sure. I just think that our government should be reflective of its people. Without 50% women in it it fails on that front.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
74. Are you looking for an argument or something?
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 08:48 PM
Apr 2022

I am basically agreeing with you.

I am not just going to say that two fictional people without defining their backstories are this or that. But what I do know is that women need to be represented in our government at the very least on par with their portion of the population.

Yes women have been put through the absolute shit since the beginning of time. That is the baseline understanding of the world as it relates to women in its history. That part is not lost on me.

DownriverDem

(6,231 posts)
18. My husband has said
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:35 AM
Apr 2022

more than once that nothing will change in the US until a woman is president. In my heart of hearts I know that woman would have been Hillary. She was so qualified.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
21. Hillary Clinton was probably the most qualified POTUS candidate in our lifetimes.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:42 AM
Apr 2022

Hillary ALWAYS does her homework, and has a working command of the United States Executive Branch and is considered "near genius."

She was not allowed to ascend to the POTUS, which she rightfully won.

So yeah, our loss. Big time.

DENVERPOPS

(8,844 posts)
31. Could not agree more Raster............
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:50 AM
Apr 2022

And don't forget her worldly affairs knowledge she had gained.........

Putin and The Republicans had to make sure they corruptly got Trump in office, by hook or/and by crook......

peppertree

(21,657 posts)
23. If only they ran clean elections
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:44 AM
Apr 2022

Under Medicare Rick and deSatan, Flawrida has become like Latin America in that regard (or worse).

AllyCat

(16,216 posts)
44. Hmmm...what are your thoughts on her suing Biden Administration
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:20 PM
Apr 2022

Over weed/guns? That was really weird to me. But, not my state.

CrispyQ

(36,502 posts)
24. So glad I clicked on this thread!
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:00 AM
Apr 2022

Recently I read that one woman is a token, two are allies, & three are a coalition. It may have been in Michael Moore's movie, "Where to Invade Next?" when he talks to the women leaders of Iceland. One of them said she would never want to live in the US because we don't take care of each other, of our communities.

Nevada state legislature has majority women.

Women outnumber men in the Nevada legislature. What difference does it make?
Nevada has the only legislature with more women than men in both chambers. Some academics are studying what that representation means.

Barbara Rodriguez
Statehouses Reporter

Published
January 31, 2021, 6:00 a.m. MT

https://19thnews.org/2021/01/nevada-legislature-majority-women/

snip...

Pat Spearman has no doubt that women make a big difference at the Nevada legislature.

The Democratic state senator pointed to a 2019 debate over a bill that would allow people to access a year’s worth of birth control instead of a 30-day supply, something advocates say helps people avoid unintended pregnancy.

Spearman said she was surprised when male legislators in the room suggested that people with that much birth control would sell the medication.

“Why would they sell them if they need them?” Spearman said she asked. “… Every woman on the committee, and that was in the hearing room, you watched their heads nod. They knew exactly what we were talking about.”


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Celerity

(43,491 posts)
52. List
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:50 PM
Apr 2022

Last edited Wed Apr 27, 2022, 08:46 PM - Edit history (1)

World’s Happiest Countries - 2022

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2022/03/18/ranked-the-20-happiest-countries-in-the-world-in-2022/?sh=438afb9835d5

1. Finland (female PM)
2. Denmark (female PM)
3. Iceland (female PM)
4. Switzerland (no single head of state, 1 year rotating council president, was a female social democrat in 2020, Simonetta Sommaruga )
5. Netherlands
6. Luxembourg
7. Sweden (female PM)
8. Norway (until 6 months ago they had a female PM, Erna Solberg, a Conservative)
9. Israel
10. New Zealand (female PM, Jacinda Ardern)

Celerity

(43,491 posts)
71. Oh, yes, most members of the Norse Conservative Party would be to the left of Manchin
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 08:29 PM
Apr 2022

Henry Cuellar and other Dems.

For sure Cuellar would be seen as hard right in the Nordics, and most Rethugs would be seen as outright Nazi fascists and ultra state wreckers, and many would be prosecuted for hate crimes and speech.

The Norse Conservative Party is very much like our (Swedish) Moderates, who changed the party name from the Conservatives to the Moderates several decades back, and in 2006, to De Nya Moderaterna (The New Moderates) to reflect further leftward moves (the Norse Conservative Party has made many if the same ideological changes over the years)

A lot of DUers would be Moderates if they lived Sweden, and Conservatives if they lived in Norway. Of that I have little doubt, in fact, almost none.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(Norway)

The Conservative Party (Bokmål: Høyre, Nynorsk: Høgre, lit. 'Right', H; Northern Sami: Olgešbellodat) is a liberal-conservative political party in Norway. It is the major party of the Norwegian centre-right, and was the leading party in government as part of the Solberg cabinet from 2013 to 2021. The current party leader is former Prime Minister Erna Solberg. The party is a member of the International Democrat Union and an associate member of the European People's Party.

Ideology
Liberal conservatism
Pro-Europeanism
Political position
Centre-right
European affiliation
European People's Party (associate)
International affiliation
International Democrat Union
Nordic affiliation
Conservative Group
Colours
Blue
Slogan
"Vi tror på Norge"
(We believe in Norway)

The party is traditionally a pragmatic and moderately conservative party strongly associated with the traditional elites within the civil service and Norwegian business life. During the 20th century the party has advocated economic liberalism, tax cuts, individual rights, support of monarchism, the Church of Norway and the Armed Forces, anti-communism, pro-Europeanism and support of the Nordic model; over time the party's values have become more socially liberal in areas such as gender equality, LGBT rights and immigration and integration issues, and the party is relatively secular despite its nominal support for the Church of Norway; the party defines itself as a party pursuing a "conservative progressive policy based on Christian cultural values, constitutional government and democracy". In line with its Western alignment the party strongly supports NATO, which Norway co-founded, and has consistently been the most outspokenly pro-European Union party in Norway, supporting Norwegian membership during both the 1972 and 1994 referendums.

The Conservative Party traditionally caters to the educated elite; it has the most highly educated voters of all parties, and is the most popular party among elite groups. In the postwar era, the party formed a grand consensus with the Labour Party regarding foreign and security policy—frequently expressed by the maxim "the foreign policy is settled" (utenrikspolitikken ligger fast)—that led Norway to co-found NATO and enter into a close alliance with the United States, and the parties' economic policies have gradually become more similar.

Both parties are pragmatic, relatively technocratic, anti-populist and close to the political centre. The party supports the Nordic model, but also a certain amount of semi-privatisation through state-funded private services.

Traildogbob

(8,791 posts)
38. These women
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:57 AM
Apr 2022

Are much more than just pretty. We need brilliant women with character. I use to vote any woman in local elections that were running in positions that were not party affiliated. But then came a national onslaught of Palin’s, Blackburns, Collins, The “End of Days” Jehovah Princess and more recently, MTG, Bang Bang Barbie, Nikki Haley, Tulsi, a number of governors, and GQP think Ivanka would be a good choice for President. Let’s not forget Macron’s Putin Barbie challenger. We NEED smart, honest women that are not just pretty. I am 100 percent in favor of women leadership, even as president, but we must be more aware of their stance and purpose than many were with Tulsi. Not so sure we want a particular Arizona female Dem senator as President. Lots of wolves in female clothing out there. Our choice must be fearless and be able to fight with the fury of a scorned women. Imagine the attacks on Kamala if she won the Presidential race.
Our Amazing Female candidates are out there, just real democratic ones that are vetted and bad ass tough. Pretty sure Sarah Huckster Sanders just being female doesn’t make her leader material.

Celerity

(43,491 posts)
54. All listed are LW/social democrats except for Kaja Kallas (she is head of a centre right/centre left
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 02:23 PM
Apr 2022

coalition), and the independent Ingrida Šimonytė, who heads a centre right coalition.

Katrín Jakobsdóttir is the farthest left, she is an eco-socialist Green.


Traildogbob

(8,791 posts)
55. Thanks for the info
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 02:36 PM
Apr 2022

Whoever the first female President is, she will have to pull in lots of center and center right voters.
That’s how we shut up the far right nut bags, with a huge proportion of American people much louder and unified against the totally stupid caucus of far right. But louder than Fox and News Max. They will brutally attack a female as they did to Justice Brown Jackson. It will take a real Wonder Women to fight that, with ALL of us having her 6. Just my opinion. This freedom caucus criminality and Taliban wet dream needs to be silenced. I can’t wait until a strong brilliant female does take the wheel of leadership here.

mopinko

(70,202 posts)
51. after listening to bill's eulogy for madeleine albright,
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:39 PM
Apr 2022

i can safely say she had a hand in all this.

bill said- look around the room at who came today.
i hope there's some good group shots.

calimary

(81,441 posts)
58. There definitely is that.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 03:19 PM
Apr 2022

The late great Madeleine Albright. Leading the way here for more American women to follow, and rose, and achieve, and make history! Thank you President Clinton for your foresight, helping women kick another door open.

Sympthsical

(9,099 posts)
57. I'd note their ages as well
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 02:45 PM
Apr 2022

I bet that plays a role in how they direct their talents in managing the problems of the day.

Mainly because they better understand the problems the world and their populations are facing. It's hard to get politicians to care about issues when they do not viscerally feel like it's actually their problem. I bet every single one of the leaders here pictured are deeply invested in issues like economic justice and climate change.

mopinko

(70,202 posts)
60. get the feeling a lot of them started w the problem and
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 04:49 PM
Apr 2022

that's how they ended up in office. that's a very common route.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
79. That's not what you said, though.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 10:09 PM
Apr 2022

You suggested the age of young people made them better leaders.

I bet that plays a role in how they direct their talents in managing the problems of the day.

Mainly because they better understand the problems the world and their populations are facing. It's hard to get politicians to care about issues when they do not viscerally feel like it's actually their problem. I bet every single one of the leaders here pictured are deeply invested in issues like economic justice and climate change.


That is a broad-brush, prejudiced, presumptive point of view based on people's ages and a theory about how age impacts their views, judgments, or abilities.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
85. Also Merkel is no longer in office but she would be another good
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 08:29 AM
Apr 2022

female world leader we have had in recent times.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
59. Joe Biden was elected at 77...so let us elect Hilary at 77 in 2024..Why Not?
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 04:24 PM
Apr 2022

Hiliary is the most experienced, most qualified woman/person to be President. It is that simple..If Biden does not
run for re-election, my choice is Hilary Clinton for the win. (perhaps Biden does run for re-ekection..all bets
are off on Hiliary)

niyad

(113,534 posts)
73. During the early part of the pandemic, Forbes (that notorious bastion of
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 08:43 PM
Apr 2022

feminism) had an article about the seven countries with the best outcomes, and nited what they had in common. . .they were all run by women. Four are listed in the OP, the other three were Germany, New Zealand, and Taiwan.

tavernier

(12,397 posts)
91. Latvia has had both a female prez and pm.
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 11:58 AM
Apr 2022

But of course a whole bunch of old white guys as well. 😂

newdayneeded

(1,956 posts)
92. Off topic
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 12:03 PM
Apr 2022

I remember the prime Minister of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko was just stunning. She was an early woman of power. She was a spitting image of my ex girlfriend at the time, damn I still miss her!

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