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Raskin:We now have evidence to support the story of the worst presidential political offense against
the Union in American history. The @January6thCmte hearings in June will expose every facet of the assault against our democracy and Constitution on 1/6.Link to tweet
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dalton99a
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Baitball Blogger
(50,591 posts)May the hearings begin.
Escurumbele
(3,840 posts)Baitball Blogger
(50,591 posts)Back to hibernation.
True Blue American
(18,572 posts)Had so many witnesses and information they had to move it back.
Good news, Democrats are bouncing back Republicans have no plan, they are still whining about 2020 and fighting among themselves?
Rebl2
(16,739 posts)the hearings were supposed to start April-guess not.
June when many people will start going on vacations. Great😐
yorkster
(3,274 posts)So, at least the hearings are starting June 9th.
I wish things were starting earlier, but hoping for the best...
June 20th. I live in MO and kids get out around the 25th-30 of May.
yorkster
(3,274 posts)and more like between the 10th and 15th.
Wow, getting out of school by Memorial Day. The childhood me is jealous.
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on the East coast?
Several years back the kids didn’t get out until first part of June because (before Covid) they had missed so much school due to snow. I know what you mean about childhood me being jealous. We went no matter what unless their was a lot of ice/power outages. That rarely happened to us back in the sixties or seventies though.
yorkster
(3,274 posts)
JustAnotherGen
(35,975 posts)I think the 'hype' from the Jan 6th committee needs to be tamped down.
When it starts - let it be a big sucker punch.
mitch96
(15,346 posts)Mueller report. Lots of hype, no real action.... bupkis..
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MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)unlike with the Barr and Mueller report.
And, remember, no matter what, the Dems control the White House (and the US AG) until January 20, 2025 at the earliest.
mitch96
(15,346 posts)XacerbatedDem
(511 posts)Make Perp-walk Great Again!!!
mopinko
(72,819 posts)a sucker punch would cause a huge recoil.
UTUSN
(74,959 posts)Novara
(6,115 posts)Raskin never plays that game. If someone else said it, I might be more inclined to see it as hype, but not coming from Raskin.
The thing is - will people believe it? He can lay out all the clear evidence in the world and as we've seen, these people believe up is down and white is black if someone else tells them so.
In addition, he's playing a pretty good game here. Telling America that he's got the goods has to have an effect on the people they still have left to interview in the next six weeks. I am wondering if any of them are now weighing the possibility of immunity for actionable information. I gotta think some of these venal fuckers would give up their grandma if it would keep them out of prison.
He’s been on this for a long time and would know. I don’t think this will be a disappointment. Now the consequences - that is a different story. I am just hopeful about those.
ShazzieB
(21,209 posts)As I said in a reply to another o.p. on this topic, I have a huge amount of faith in Jamie Raskin. I wouldn't take just anyone's word for certain things, like how big these hearings are going to be, but when it comes out of Jamie Raskin's mouth, I'm going to take it very seriously. Why? Because he knows exactly what he's talking about. He has access to a ton of information that I don't have access to, and he has the expertise in constitutional law to know exactly what laws were broken, who broke them, and how serious those infractions were. And he's not one to overdramatize or blow things out of proportion for frivolous reasons.
Some people, the true fanatics, will never believe certain things, no matter who says what. Those who are utterly convinced that the election was stolen will remain convinced of that, no matter what. But but I think those people are the minority. There are a lot of people who ARE convinceable, and i think the committee is going to throw enough unassailable evidence at them to convince a lot of them.
I am excited about these hearings, especially now that we have an actual date. If I end up getting disappointed, c'est la vie. I can live with disappointment, but I can't survive without hope. That's just how it is for me. I'll say it again: I can live with disappointment, but I can't survive without hope.
I know some feel there is so little reason to hope that they've decided not to allow themselves to do so. I get that, but it's different for me. I have to have hope. I literally can't allow myself to give up hope completely. If I couldn't hold on to at least a little bit of hope, I'd probably be out looking for a bridge to jump off of (figuratively speaking). If someone else feels that not being hopeful is he best strategy for them, that's fine: you do you. I have to do me, and that means not giving up hope. That's just how it is for me.
electric_blue68
(22,675 posts)Jamie is one serious man (who can be funny) as he's been involved in this. And as you said his knowledge of Constitutional law.
So I have some hope about what is going to be newly revealed and put into place with what we know.
I think ignoring the die-hards there are some people who will have their eyes opened.
Also being reminded of what we know and being
disgusted even more by the new details, revelations will drive many people to work even harder to GOTV in '22, and later '24.
At least that's what I think.
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electric_blue68
(22,675 posts)dealing a urgent matter yesterday, and being extra tired today I missed hearing about this.
Midas Touch Video Of Rep Raskin taking down MTG's Anti-Ukrainian/ProPutin stance. Different pieces, and impassioned.
This is the kind thing that gives me hope.
True Blue American
(18,572 posts)Had enough to convict Trump. And donations are pouring in to Liz!
Eyeball_Kid
(7,604 posts)... all elections are won AT THE MARGINS. There will always be die-hard Trumpers/fascists. They wouldn't budge if Trump grew a Nazi-leader mustache and wore swastika arm bands. The Dems are looking to blow a hole into Trump's independent voter/supporters. They're looking at the marginal swing voter and their walking away from the Trump movement.
Recent polls show that the GOP accounts for about 30% of the entire electorate. About one-third of those voters are die-hard Trumper fascists who are very loud and extreme. But they amount to about 16-18% of THE ENTIRE REGISTERED VOTING POPULATION. So that means that there is a rich and varied 82% of registered voters who are persuadable and who can be "harvested" as votes against a Trumper slate of candidates. It's those voters, the vast majority of voters, who are the focus of the Dems' (and a few GOPers') efforts to build a narrative that will ensure Democratic control of Congress. The J6 hearings in June can turn into the main reason that the GOP loses big in November. And those big losses can occur without DOJ indictments, which will likely be issued before the election.
The conventional wisdom that includes mid-term successes by the minority party won't hold this time around BECAUSE of the attempted coup. And the J6 Committee is dedicated to the notion that they will not allow the US public to forget what happened in all of its detail.
leftyladyfrommo
(19,903 posts)understand.
spooky3
(37,677 posts)There is a mushy middle who may very well care once people start talking about what happens during the hearings.
I’m generally cynical, having been Fitmas’d and Muellered, but I remember the change in public opinion during Watergate. On the one hand, we didn’t have Fox and other propaganda back then to gaslight people, and everyone watched network TV vs. all the alternatives they now have. On the other hand, this crime is far more seriously threatening to the country’s future. I have to believe that enough people who have not paid attention will be persuaded and that together with the Dems and others already appalled and concerned about this, it will affect elections.
Novara
(6,115 posts)There are still plenty of old school republicans who toe the party line but can't stand what the orange motherfucker has done to America. They've been waiting for his takedown so they can have their party back. They can be convinced.
What we should do is plan for protests in the streets once the hearings are over to demand the DOJ prosecute all of them. With people marching in the streets, Garland doesn't look political for acting. I hate that we have to overcome his reticence to told these motherfuckers accountable but look, it's OUR democracy Let's work on saving it like it's worth something.
uponit7771
(93,104 posts)Firestorm49
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KS Toronado
(21,061 posts)sitting in the hot seat in front of the Committee.
OverBurn
(1,259 posts)happen though. I'm prepared for major disappointment. Our democracy is hanging by a thread and most don't seem to care, IMO.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)You know the gQp fox stooges are going to be on fire when it comes..."What about Hunter's laptop?"
Picaro
(2,129 posts)It’s too close to the midterms… It’s partisan… You didn’t include Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, and MTG.
Wah, wah, wah. Call fhe wahmbulance.
This is explicitly designed to show what happened, who was responsible for what happened, and the very big and clear distinction between the two parties.
I’m going to really enjoy this. I hope the Republican brand lies in ruins after this.
Just in time for the midterms. Let the people see the difference. The stark contrast. And then get them to the polls.
Samrob
(4,298 posts)9/11 united us. 1/6 divided us.
9/11 we had global allies, the respect and sympathy of good people everywhere. 1/6 thanks to Trump there was global indifference, we were mocked by our allies and enemies everywhere.
9/11 is remembered with sadness. 1/6 is remembered with shame.
We must redeem our wrong-headed actions against innocent people in response to 9/11 with an equal motivation to exact warranted punishment and accountability against those guilty of insurrection against our country and fellow countrymen and women.
It needs to be exact, swift, and harsh. PERIOD
wiggs
(8,321 posts)LudwigPastorius
(13,037 posts)how it will lead to indictments and trials.
If the whole purpose of the committee in revealing “the story” is to win the coming election, that is short-sighted and it ignores the oath they took to defend the constitution.
Joinfortmill
(18,665 posts)Cheney and Kinzinger aren't doing it to win elections, that's for damn sure. And Raskin lost his son the day before the insurrection. He's fighting for this in the name of his son.
hibbing
(10,442 posts)RipVanWinkle
(268 posts)when Trump has been indicted.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)
and I am with you.
wake me when trump is in jail and on trial.
Joinfortmill
(18,665 posts)
SKKY
(12,610 posts)...hearings. I would have Barry Berke asking all the questions. In case you don't recall, he was the guy who destroyed Cory Lewandowski's ass up. Either him or Katie Porter. I'd be fine with either.
lame54
(38,156 posts)
Rhiannon12866
(239,732 posts)Kid Berwyn
(21,514 posts)What some noticed at the time.
Barbarians at the Gates of Democracy
A mob of domestic terrorists were directed by the President of the United States to Congress in order to stop the counting of the vote by the People. In effect, the executive branch attacked the legislative branch. Donald J Trump is a traitor.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214835602
Smackdown2019
(1,301 posts)They don't believe it happened...
They believed they are in the right.
They believe they are untouchable.
They believe it is not over.
Sad part is, their base is the same!
It is sad they say believe it didn't happen, but under the same breathe wish the bodies were still being hung from the gallows. I heard that statement on January 6, 2022 from a coworker who was there at the January 6n 2021. I have turned his name over last year, nothing. I have spent hours combing over pictures to see this bald POS. Justice one day will serve him!
malaise
(287,164 posts)Can’t wait for the public hearings
Captain Zero
(8,180 posts)Let's have hope.
Orrex
(65,655 posts)Stuart G
(38,726 posts)Raven123
(6,883 posts)If he is so confident, the hearings will speak for themselves. His comments are not smart politically IMO.
XacerbatedDem
(511 posts)because the good people of this country were tired of all the carnival-like BS he spouted non-stop throughout his presidency, the thousands of lies he told, the constant questionable scams and money making activities he tried to get away with during his administration, and his continuing praise (and help from) foreign dictators, which became apparent from the start. I could go on and on.
But what gets me is why people would look at all that crap and decide it had nothing to do with why he lost. Oh, no, it must be that he was cheated out of office by massive voter fraud!
Come on, give me a break. There are laws in every state that keep that from happening and they've worked for years. All of a sudden, with this election, they suddenly failed?
No, I think the real reason tfg lost was because he was just inept. Period. He was a power-hungry idiot who was in over his head and couldn't see what was coming for all the praise his comrades were forced to lay at his feet if they wanted to stay in power. And when he lost, there was no way he was going to accept it, hell that was primed long before the election, even when he first ran for president. And what followed was an inept attempt at a coup.
It may have been inept, but it was definitely chilling, to say the least. That his minions can't see what's right before their eyes, that the white supremacists and racists and RWNJs had started taking advantage of the situation, is beyond me. They must really hate America.
Sorry, rant over.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,604 posts)any possible thread that will give them power. They've got a huge propaganda machine, which is intent on winning through lying, and nothing else.
They've got a party still led by Trump, who is vicious and inept and ignorant and vengeful and fascist. His most loyal followers are first-rate bullies and criminals.
They have no policy statements that resonate with any part of the population (except perhaps the extremely wealthy). All they have is hatred toward the opposition. And that's not nearly enough. The GOP is hollow. There's nothing on the inside, except fealty toward Trump and even Putin.
The J6 Committee will help the nation gain a wider perspective on the attempted coup and the continuing efforts by Trumpers to overthrow the next two elections. We all need to step back and gaze at what exactly happened. And when we're done with understanding the severity of the GOP's offenses against the nation and the Constitution, the population as a whole will finally reject Trump.