Noah: Give it up for Kyrsten Sinema. Who'd ever thought we'd see the day in American politics when a

[riversedge]

chuckle



Noah: Give it up for Kyrsten Sinema. Who’d ever thought we’d see the day in American politics when a Senator could be openly bisexual but closeted Republican

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=QEUfgVZpVSeC9Wjv5OG2xg

[FakeNoose]

1. That one raised a few eyebrows I think

[calimary]

2. Hey, deal with it, Kyrsten.

[doc03]

3. Did he do anything on Manchin? nt

[colorado_ufo]

6. Yes, he did!

[tblue37]

15. What about Manchin? I use closed captioning, but it was not clear some of the time.

[MLAA]

61. Something about the most powerful politician in Washington as he briefly looked at Biden then said

Joe Manchin based on Manchin holding Biden’s agenda hostage. Not very funny since it is so true.

[tblue37]

63. Thanks! nt

[Hulk]

4. BAM!!

Nice job Noah. Pretty brilliant performance. Called out the ducey dicks as well as a hundred other hypocrites in the room.

[NBachers]

5. And to think I used to donate to her.

[oldsoftie]

39. Well, back then the seat was held by the GOP. You did nothing wrong.

[calimary]

119. Thanks for the reminder. I feel pretty bad about having donated to her, too.

But I wanted a Democrat in there.

Frankly, I STILL want a DEMOCRAT in there, DAMMIT!!!

[Cha]

7. Mahalo!!

💜💛💙🌈🕯🕊🇺🇦🌻

[RestoreAmerica2020]

8. Oh geez..great line ! SAS to Senema ! (Spanish colloquial: a figurative kick to the gut ! )

Missed regular programming..quein sabes why ..oh yes, my dog dog wanted to take an evening walk 7pm.(my time.) I'll will have search and watch later. Didn't know Noah was hosting--he's a talented comedian!

Paz.

[TexasTowelie]

9. It's disappointing to log onto a Democratic Website

to see so many approve of slamming a Democratic senator.

[stillspkg]

10. Really?

Did I miss something? nt

[TexasTowelie]

12. Yes, really. You may not agree with Sinema's votes on various issues,

but she is still a Democrat and she also helped to confirm a new justice to the Supreme Court. The appropriate time to criticize her is during the primaries (in 2024) in order to get another Democrat elected rather than now.

[qazplm135]

21. If you want her to be the Senator again

and change so that she CAN win the primary, the appropriate time to criticize her is indeed now.

Because if she just operates as she has been, with no adjustment to try and win Dem voters, she's toast in a primary.

[TexasTowelie]

25. I haven't said anything about wanting her to be senator again.

I live in Texas and as a principle I don't contribute to political candidates at the primary level unless I can vote for them.

I've read that part of the discontent of Senator Sinema (job title appropriately noted) is that she isn't connected to voters. Do you think that Senator Sinema is reading DU to get feedback on her job performance? (rhetorical question, no reply necessary)

[qazplm135]

76. Do I think she or her staff

Is aware of one of the two major Democratic websites on the internet? Yeah unless they are committing political malpractice.

And if she isn't then we are just talking amongst ourselves and it doesn't matter so why get upset at it?

It's happening for a reason. No one is attacking Mark Kelly here or on Kos.

[TexasTowelie]

80. If anything, I think that Senator Sinema is more concerned by the censure that the Arizona Democrats

made than anything that is said on this site.

And I'm not upset by this any more than all of the people that felt the necessity to pile on me in this thread after I expressed my opinion. However, I did note that one of the other posters in this thread asked whether there are carve outs to violating the ToS. It's an astute observation.

As far as Kos is concerned, I haven't visited their site in three or four years so what happens there is of no importance to me.

[qazplm135]

87. A smart politician

Would be as concerned about motivated non insiders as insiders. Whether you care about Kos or not is irrelevant.

[TexasTowelie]

92. You're the one that mentioned Kos.

I informed you that I don't go there and as far as I'm concerned the site is irrelevant. I don't know what Senator Sinema's plans are for 2024. She is an adult so I'll let her figure that out for herself.

[qazplm135]

109. yes

and mentioned for a reason that had nothing to do with your opinion of the site.

[Demsrule86]

52. No, not in a midterm year. during the primary is appropriate which is two years away.

[qazplm135]

75. Now is plenty appropriate

When there's actually time for her to change

[TexasTowelie]

83. I suspect that Senator Sinema could do a complete 180

and the same people that hold grudges against her now will continue to hold those grudges in 2024 since the narrative has already been formed.

[qazplm135]

88. Nope

If she did a 180 (again) on say repealing the Bush tax cuts or helped at least get passed what Manchin says he'd agree to on climate change in exchange for deficit reduction, plenty of folks like me would greatly welcome it.

Your presentation of legit issues with her as some sort of meritless bias notwithstanding.

[TexasTowelie]

93. I have a feeling that the cake has already been baked.

Once the voters have made their decision about her like many in this thread have done, it's difficult to undo it and have the cake revert back to flour, eggs, and sugar. Animosity doesn't flip on and off like a light switch.

[qazplm135]

108. well I don't like her

but if she starts acting more like a team player then I will adjust my attitude towards her.

I wasn't a fan of Sanders in 2016 at all, but now I am fine with him because he adjusted how he approached things, as a lot of people are.

So your fatalism is yours.

[TexasTowelie]

115. You'll have your opportunity to express your displeasure when it counts in the 2024 primaries if she

runs as a Democrat. Considering the animosity Senator Sinema has faced, particularly from the progressive voters in Arizona, I won't be surprised if she decides to run as an independent instead. If Senator Sinema does that and somehow wins the general election, I wonder which party she will choose to caucus with?

[qazplm135]

116. or I and others will express it now

She won't win as an independent.

[TexasTowelie]

117. If Senator Sinema runs as an independent she may not win,

but I suspect that she will draw enough votes to keep the Democrat from winning also so it will hand the seat to a Republican. It isn't like the Democrats in Arizona are winning elections by large margins so there isn't any room for error. Despite any feelings you might have about Senator Sinema, is electing a Republican a preferable outcome? I'm reminded of the saying "be careful what you ask for because you might get it."

The only other option is to convince Senator Sinema not to run, but I doubt that will occur because she now has reason (at least in her own mind) to be spiteful to those who turned on her. Contempt breeds contempt.

[qazplm135]

118. welp

then that's what happens, but the answer isn't oh gosh she might run as an indy and keep us from winning so gosh we have to vote for her and never criticize her no matter what.

[lees1975]

120. That's exactly what her Democratic constituency in Arizona is waiting to see,

The Democrat they elected to Congress over a relatively moderate Republican which, along with Kelly's election, and Biden carrying the state, confirmed that the Democrats have the power and ability to put their nominee in 2024, whoever it is, into the Senate. When you put your more liberal credentials out there to get elected, which she did, and then pull back, the consequence very well may be that someone else in your party will be following along behind. Arizona is a rapidly growing state, mainly former mostly Democratic Caifornians, and Northeasterners. By the time she is ready to start a primary run, the Democrats, who have increased the size of their vote and turnout by 5% since 2020, will likely control statewide elections. So if she wants to go back, she needs to get on board.

At this point, the damage she's done with Manchin will be tough to repair. I'd say stepping out, helping more judges get appointed, lending a hand on legislation and leaning toward busting the filibuster would help her out. Otherwise, there's a very popular Democrat waiting in the wings.

[Yoyoyo77]

78. Really. Most of her her campaign $ this year came from GOP PAC's, why would that be?

[TexasTowelie]

85. Well, if Democrats stopped giving to her campaign

then yes, it could mean that the majority of her contributions came from GOP PACs. They make those contributions to provide another reason for Democrats to attack her and create divisioin.

[TiberiusB]

89. No, they make those donations to BUY her.

This isn't about depressing turnout on the Left. The states are handling that with help from the SCOTUS.
This is all about scuttling any chance that the Democrats pass anything remotely transformational.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/feb/01/kyrsten-sinema-courted-republican-fossil-fuel-donors-filibuster-stance

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kyrsten-sinema-fundraising-republican-donors-1293087/

https://www.inquirer.com/columnists/attytood/kyrsten-sinema-blocks-biden-agenda-money-politics-20210930.html

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/09/kyrsten-sinema-holding-bidens-agenda

As long as money rules our politics, nothing will change for the better.

[oldsoftie]

103. Well, thats what ALL big donors are doing like it or not.

You can see by how new laws are written.

[TiberiusB]

122. Yes, but...

you said, "They make those contributions to provide another reason for Democrats to attack her and create division."

That might be a bonus, but it isn't the primary reason, as you clearly are aware.

[oldsoftie]

123. Thats what TT said, not me.

[TiberiusB]

124. oops

Sorry, you are correct...

[Lunabell]

13. Good one.

And don't forget to be appropriate!

[Celerity]

14. Sinema and Manchin have been wrecking balls of destruction for large parts of Biden's and almost

all of the rest of the Democratic Party's agenda.

They helped to (as if now) bin over 90% of Biden's original new spend framework for the BIF and the BBB, plus have so far disastrously blocked the multiple voter rights and protections bills.

If we get smashed in the 2022 midterms, those two obstructionists will bear more responsibility than any other members of the Democratic Caucus in either chamber. It will not even be close.

So there is that.

[TexasTowelie]

16. I disagree with your closing premise and I'll leave it at that.

I rarely search or visit RW sites, but I imagine that there are some RW blogs and sites that posted the same topic with glee and ridicule. They are probably drooling at the prospect of picking up Sinema's seat and posting and highlighting the same content on this site only helps their cause. Why give the other side free publicity?

[Celerity]

17. I disagree with your framing, and I could not care less about what some dismal RW sites/blogs

think.


It is pointless to primary Manchin, as he is the only Dem who can win that seat, but atm he is above water only because of Republicans. The big question for him in 2024 is can he beat Justice (who has outflanked him on the left and the right) IF Justice (a billionaire who can self fund if need be) runs. If Justice doesn't run, then Manchin's prospects go up (IF he runs, which I am fairly sure he will).

https://morningconsult.com/2022/04/25/joe-manchins-approach-paying-off/

They are probably drooling at the prospect of picking up Sinema's seat

Ruben Gallego would make sure there is far less of a chance of that happening if he defeats her in the 2024 Democratic AZ primaries.



Possible challenger surges, as Sinema promises big donors she’ll protect their tax breaks

Mitch McConnell says he hopes Sinema's opposition "will be enough to keep this thing underwater permanently"

https://www.salon.com/2022/04/13/likely-primary-challenger-surges-as-sinema-promises-corporate-donors-shell-protect-their-breaks/

Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., assured corporate donors on Tuesday that she would fight her party's efforts to unwind tax breaks for America's elite as Democrats try to revive portions of President Biden's stalled Build Back Better plan. Sinema, who has received more than $900,000 in donations from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other industry groups opposing Biden's plan, attended an event held by the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry in Phoenix to assuage donors' concerns that the renewed spending negotiations may threaten their low tax rates.

"What I can't tell you is if negotiations will start again or what they'll look like," she said. "But what I can promise you is that I'll be the same person in negotiations if they start again that I was in negotiations last year." Sinema assured the group that she would oppose raising taxes on corporations with her pivotal vote in the 50-50 Senate. "You all know, the entire country knows, that I'm opposed to raising the corporate minimum tax rate," she said, adding that she opposes "any tax policies that would put a brake on any type of economic growth or forestall business and personal growth for America's industries."

Link to tweet

snip

Rep. Ruben Gallego, D-Ariz., has emerged as a leading potential progressive primary foe after repeatedly calling out Sinema, though he would have to compete with a well-funded effort backed by Sinema's corporate supporters if he chooses to challenge her in 2024. Gallego raised more than $510,000, a personal record, in the first three months of the year — officially for his re-election bid in the House, which he is expected to win easily. That number is more than four times the amount he raised during the same period last election cycle, according to Insider. He raised a total of $1.8 million in 2020. Groups backing a potential primary challenger have also reported hundreds of thousands in donations.

Speculation about Sinema's political future has continued to mount. Along with her opposition to rolling back the Trump tax cuts, Sinema has opposed Democratic efforts to repeal the filibuster to pass legislation related to voting rights, LGBTQ protections, union protections and raising the minimum wage. Just 19% of Arizona Democratic primary voters have a favorable opinion of Sinema, according to a January Data for Progress poll, compared to 78% for fellow Sen. Mark Kelly, D-Ariz. The poll showed Gallego with a 58% favorable rating and leading Sinema by a 74-16 margin.

snip

[TexasTowelie]

18. I'm not going to search for it because I don't feel like I have to offer a ton of support

like you do in your posts, but since I do report in the state groups on DU I also recall that there were plenty of people who doubted whether Gallego could win a statewide race.

BTW, your post TL/DR so I hope you aren't disappointed that you wasted your time.

[Celerity]

19. lol

I don't feel like I have to offer a ton of support like you do in your posts

sigh

[TexasTowelie]

22. I've seen and scrolled through your posts on DU.

The last time that I felt compelled to offer as many reference links to support a simple statement or opinion was when I wrote my research paper for my advanced organic chemistry class in 1987 (before you were born and most people were on the Internet). That is why I rarely read or comment on your posts, but since you decided to engage me tonight I am responding to you.

:sigh:

Unfortunately, there are no guarantees that Democrats will hold onto that Senate seat whether or not Sinema is the nominee. Arizona is a purple state and Sinema rode into office based upon dissent of Trump. Pretending that a progressive can carry the state in 2024 will possibly result in disappointment.

:double sigh:

However, giving Republicans the gift of dissing Sinema on a Democratic Website isn't anything that a Democrat should be happy about it.

[Celerity]

24. Gallego is hardly some flame throwing lefty Squad member

The last time that I felt compelled to offer as many reference links to support a simple statement or opinion was when I wrote my research paper for my advanced organic chemistry class in 1987 (before you were born and most people were on the Internet).

I learned very early on here that there are certain types of posters who will (I have no problem with this) demand evidence and/or reference points for claims made that they happen to not like. Thus I tend to put some effort into some of my replies.

I also have seen some of these same types make claims, and when either rebutted with evidence or even simply challenged, revert to a stance that that intimates (or openly states) their opinions are unassailable facts.

Some go even further and imply that to challenge their opinions is a priori evidence of ill intent and nefarious motives on the part of other posters who disagree with them. They basically want to claim that they and they alone (plus others who share their stances) are the only true and legit arbiters of what is correct and permissible in terms of debate.

[TexasTowelie]

27. Have I ever done that to you?

We've disagreed before, but I don't recall ever demanding evidence and reference points on claims you made. As a matter of fact, I don't recall making any demands from anyone on DU about anything in over 11 years and 92,000 posts. If anything, sitting in a wheelchair for the past 20 months defenseless and prone has made me even less likely to make demands upon anyone.

Aside from the jokes, puns, and double entendres, my writing style is to keep it concise, use active voice, and stay in third person unless I am relaying my personal experiences and opinions when first person is justified and third person is pretentious.

[Celerity]

29. Never said you did, TT, but others have. I was only giving you background on why I do what I do.

Sure we have disagreed over things at times, but I've never seen a reply from you (that I can recall), and thought to myself, 'oh lawwwd, here we go again', lol.

Hugz,

Cel

[TexasTowelie]

30. Thank you.

I realize that I'm not the most liberal person on DU, but I've been voting for Democrats and in some cases against specific Republicans for decades.

It's just that if I want negative news about any Democrat, then there are other places that I could choose to visit or I could join my brother in the living room watching Fox News/Newsmax. DU is my refuge where I don't (or shouldn't) have to put up with that shit which is why I offered my opinion in the first place.

[oldsoftie]

40. And you can also get a hide for posting actual facts. Because they're not popular facts.

[qazplm135]

20. maybe you should consider

why a Democratic site is approving of slamming a Democratic Senator?

Do you think maybe it's not just random?

Are Democrats doing it for no reason? Or is it maybe something she's doing that is causing it?

Do you think that bodes well for her in a Democratic primary? And who cares what anyone thinks on a random message board, what do Dem voters in her state think of her? (Spoiler: It's not good).

We could talk about how awesome she is all day on here, but her voters are pretty fed up with her right now, and she has a very short window to fix that, and I'm not sure she has any interest in fixing that. And since she can't run and lose the Dem primary AND run in the GE as an independent since AZ has a sore loser law, if polling continues as it has been, do you think she runs as a Democrat in 24 or does she run as an independent?

Manchin is all we have in WV, and it's a minor miracle he holds that seat, so there isn't much to do with him but suck it up and smile. Sinema is in a purple state, she's not the only Dem that can win there. It's not a miracle that she holds that seat. So the calculus is different, except she doesn't seem to act like it is different, which is quite perplexing.

[TexasTowelie]

23. I'm not playing twenty questions with anyone here on DU.

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I'll remind everyone here that Senator Sinema is also part of the reason why we have a Biden appointed justice on the Supreme Court.

The only portions of your post that I agree with are that Arizona is a purple state and that the voters in Arizona will get to decide on her job performance during the primaries in 2024.

Meanwhile, I see no need to feed the narrative about Senator Sinema. Leave that job to RW sites.

[Deepwater]

35. Jackson vote...

Actually her vote on the Jackson appointment was irrelevant due to the 3 Republican votes.

[TexasTowelie]

37. And I'll disagree with you since it really is a maybe or maybe not situation.

If there had been opposition from either Manchin or Sinema, then it could have provided rationalization/justification for any or all of the three Republicans to vote against Justice Jackson. We'll never know how the unity of the Democrats affected the Republicans that voted for her.

[oldsoftie]

41. And she's not even really being "slammed". Its a comedy act.

people need to take a joke.

[brush]

28. Hahahahahaha!

After how she's helped blow up Biden's agenda, and probably our House majority at least, I don't know if I'd call her a...

[TexasTowelie]

31. If we should lose our majorities in the House or Senate, I think that it will be for other reasons

than what happened to Biden's agenda.

Think back to 1992 and "it's the economy, stupid." The idealists may not vote in 2022 because their idealism wasn't satisfied and it will be a huge mistake if they think their goals will be met by electing Republicans.

The pragmatic will vote their pocketbooks thinking about higher gas prices, higher inflation, and increasing interest rates. If we don't do anything to counter those facts and at least offer a different narrative, then I doubt how Senator Sinema voted is going to matter to anyone besides her constituents and the idealists.

[brush]

62. If Biden's BBB bull had passed the economy stupid...

would be decidedly different so try some other excuse for the wayward dino who scuttled it.

[TexasTowelie]

68. How would the economy be different if the BBB had passed?

Be specific. I'll say that the bill wouldn't have done anything about the price of gas which is one of the factors behind inflation in other sectors. It may have created some new jobs, but is there anybody there who is qualified to work in those new jobs when the unemployment rate is less than 4%? And with the new growth, how would we avoided more inflationary pressures? I'm not an economist, but I never received a satisfactory explanation to that question.

From a personal perspective, there wasn't anything in the bill that would improve my financial situation.

You can scoff all that you want, but most people will be voting based upon their economic circumstances. What Senators Sinema and Manchin did in Congress won't sway their votes because they aren't that well informed.

[brush]

70. You should review the BBB bill. There are many...

benefits to it which would've provided green energy programs such as a nationwide network of EV charging stations which is desperately needed as all the car manufacturers are already phasing out IC vehicles and will produce only EVs within the next 10-15 year. And of course just that one provision of the BBB bill would've generated tens of thousands of jobs in every state nation wide so please don't try to sell me on your last paragraph, as building the nationwide EV charging network is nothing but economic benefit in every state for those people working to build it...everywhere, massive, much like the interstate highway build in the '50s.

And that's just part of the BBB bill. Think of all the votes that would generate for Democrats who pushed it through.

But oh, wait, it didn't get pushed though because of two wayward dinos.

[TexasTowelie]

77. Green energy development is not going to have any noticeable impact prior to the mid-terms.

There aren't enough people that own or plan to purchase an electric vehicle prior to the mid-terms, particularly when they cost significantly more than gasoline powered vehicles even after tax credits. Therefore, Senator Sinema's no vote on BBB doesn't sway the ballot box in either direction because most of the EV charging stations wouldn't be ready anyway. Passage of the BBB may affect the 2024 elections, but I believe that the overall health of the economy will still affect the election more than BBB ever could.

Market forces will determine how quickly the nation switches over to EV vehicles, not construction of EV charging stations subsidized by the government. We are already seeing some states implement special taxes that only apply to electric vehicles since those vehicle owners do not contribute to highway maintenance with gasoline taxes.

If US manufacturers do phase out IC vehicles, then there will be plenty of Americans that will purchase their vehicles from foreign manufacturers. Some people won't be willing to put up with the inconveniences associated with EV vehicles such as the limited mileage and wait time necessary for batteries to recharge.

Besides, electric vehicles are only as green as the power source that provides the electricity and present their own environmental hazards. They may make sense to some purchasers, but they could be nonsense to others.

[brush]

81. Those two delayed the vote on the infrastructure bills...

for several months and of course that delayed the roll out of programs as well.

Green energy development is not the same as installing nationwide EV recharging stations as that technology already exists. Those projects could've been in progress already so please stop with the excuses.

And also in the BBB are the many childcare and healthcare benefits. You seem to have forgotten the direct payments to families with children that immediately cut child poverty and hunger rates...$200-$300 per child per month. It was up and running untll late last year and was to continue with the BBB but it's now discontinued because of you know who.

It seems you're not very familiar with what's in the bill so here's a link you can learn from.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/build-back-better/

[TexasTowelie]

90. I know what was in the BBB so don't insult me by assuming that I'm ignorant.

The delay was what--three months? The BBB legislation wasn't introduced in Congress until September 27 and died in Congress in December. I doubt that three months would have any significant effect on any of the green energy development to reach consumers before the mid-terms. Therefore, the primary beneficiaries are those in occupations such as engineers, electricians, lab researchers, and similar fields. I don't believe that there are that many unemployed people in those fields so I see how the bill could have resulted in more inflation.

I also view the expansion of childcare benefits and healthcare benefits as inflationary when considering the laws of supply and demand at the macro level. From a personal perspective, the BBB wouldn't have any significant effect for me since I don't have children and I'm on Medicaid. It may have even added more frustration in my life since it would make it more difficult to schedule visits with my health care providers.

Direct payments to families with children were nice, but it is also important to remember that those payments were created as a temporary relief measure to offset some of the additional costs that parents were experiencing due to COVID. Nobody should have expected those benefits to continue forever regardless of who is in Congress. Those payments also contributed to inflation as it increased the supply of money chasing after goods while not increasing the quantity of goods available for purchase.

Even with all of those considerations, I still wanted the BBB to pass because I'm willing to make sacrifices to that others may benefit. However, I was very realistic about the possibility of BBB passing. If it weren't for Senators Manchin and Sinema stated opposition, there may have been other Democrats in the Senate that would have opposed the bill--those senators were fortunate that Senators Manchin and Sinema provided cover for them so that they never had to vote on the legislation.

[brush]

91. We seem to be in different wing of the party.

Let's leave it at that.

[TexasTowelie]

94. That's fine with me.

I'm a Democrat and voted that way my entire life. I'm considered a liberal by Texas standards. Whether other people online consider me to be liberal isn't anything that will deprive me of sleep.

[Rob H.]

104. "I'm considered a liberal by Texas standards"

I don’t think that’s the flex you might think it is.

[TexasTowelie]

111. Continuing to pile on?

Nothing that has been stated in all the exchanges since post #9 has changed my original opinion.

And have a fun time bashing Texans, I know that some consider it a recreational activity on this site.

[RaDaR63]

112. Did you not read the whole comment?

[Rob H.]

121. I did and I spent a lot of time in Tennessee

growing up and have voted Democratic since I tuned 18. If I said, “I’m considered liberal by Tennessee standards” that doesn’t really mean a whole lot in a state that considers anyone even slightly to the left of Ronald Reagan to be a wild-eyed Communist hippie weirdo.

[Mister Ed]

32. It's important to keep in mind the setting.

This is the White House Correspondents Dinner, where speakers mercilessly (but humorously) roast not only their political opponents, but also their allies and even themselves.

In that setting, I feel that Noah's quip amounts to far less than a slam.

[TexasTowelie]

33. I know the setting, but I'm puzzled why so many here are taking glee in the slam.

I don't find any humor in it myself even though I generally like Trevor Noah and rec most of his threads from The Daily Show. I'll keep my fingers crossed that this doesn't come back to haunt us sometime down the road because now that it is done it can't be undone. It seems like an unforced error in my opinion.

[oldsoftie]

42. Thats totally being lost I guess.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

36. Where would be a better place for Democrats to criticize a Democratic senator?

[TexasTowelie]

44. There is always Free Republic.

I'm certain that they would welcome such news from a Democrat there.

[tenderfoot]

47. Sinema is already very popular at Free Republic

as is Tulsi Gabbard

[TexasTowelie]

56. The difference is that Senator Sinema is a Democrat and hasn't been bought out by the Russians

while Tulsi Gabbard is a traitor. But I shouldn't have to tell you that.

[tenderfoot]

66. Sinema is popular with them because she 'pwns libs',

ignores her voters and helped torpedo BBB. The criticism is warranted. Quit making excuses for her.

[brush]

95. Yes, yes. She's a problem. BBB would've benefited millions.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

49. So criticism of Democratic senators, even from Democrats wanting Democrats to be better, is

unacceptable in a Democratic space? Huh.

[TexasTowelie]

57. However, if you read through this thread you will see very few comments that actually want Senator

Sinema to become better. All that I see is piling on Senator Sinema and subsequently piling on me for expressing my opinion. Huh?

[Demsrule86]

53. Do as you please, but criticizing a sitting Democratic Senator without whom, we would not

Have a majority only helps Republicans. It discourages our voters. She has actually voted for us in the Senate...no surprises, unlike some house members who have not voted with us even though they have no electoral reason not to do so. And these particular votes came as a surprise and embarrassed a sitting Democratic President.

[oldsoftie]

38. Its a joke. People laugh. Thats the point.

[TexasTowelie]

45. Was it really that funny? I didn't laugh. nt

[oldsoftie]

67. Most people did. Thats the thing about comedy; its not one size fits all.

[TexasTowelie]

71. I can see where this clip will come back to haunt us.

It's unfortunate that others cannot.

[oldsoftie]

84. People will vote in Nov based on their situations, not a joke about Sinema

Nobody in November is going to vote based on Sinema not backing Biden 100% of the time. They WILL vote based on their own situation. And unfortunately the President gets the blame for the bad things whether its deserved or not. Same as the good things. If inflation is still thru the roof & gas pushing $4 a gallon, we're in trouble. And people aren't going to think "If only Joe Biden had been able to spend more money"

[TexasTowelie]

86. I agree with you that people will vote based on their own situation.

Senator Sinema's opposition to BBB or filibuster reform will only affect the Arizona senatorial race in 2024. In the meantime, Senator Sinema is a Democrat so it seems offensive to take aim at her.

[tenderfoot]

97. This clip seems to have come back and haunted her

Here she is applauding Trump



I see current Vice-President Harris is having a hard time hiding her shear disgust.

[oldsoftie]

99. But what was she applauding?

I mean, if trump said "I hope we can eradicate cancer" I'd applaud it too. I'm sure he DIDN'T say that, but I'd like to know what it was.

[tenderfoot]

100. Democratic Sen. Kyrsten Sinema Cheered By Conservatives For Applauding Trump Tax Cuts at SOTU

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/democratic-sen-kyrsten-sinema-cheered-by-conservatives-for-applauding-trump-tax-cuts-at-sotu/

Democrats mostly remained seated during President Donald Trump’s State of the Union address, though conservatives were delighted to see Senator Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ) rise up and clap for him.

Sinema applauded for Trump as the president spoke about tax cuts and the impact of opportunity zones. Sinema was sitting next to her fellow Democratic senator Kamala Harris and Kirsten Gillibrand, both of whom seemed put-off somewhat by her applause.

Since this was a noticeable departure from how most of the event has gone so far, a plethora of speech followers took notice of Sinema, with many conservatives giving her kudos:

[TexasTowelie]

102. Okay, if you live in Arizona you are welcome to vote for another candidate in the primary in 2024.

However, I can also recall a few times when both Gillibrand and Harris put-off a bunch of Democratic voters. That's why neither of them even survived to the first primary in 2020.

Senator Sinema is trying to satisfy all of her constituents in Arizona. Arizona is a fiscally conservative state and what's popular with Pacific Coast and Northeast liberals isn't necessarily popular among voters in her state.

So if Senator Sinema does a complete 180 and supports every progressive cause between now and 2024 will that influence you to vote for her? Be honest because it seems like you already made your decision.

[oldsoftie]

107. Thank you!

[helpisontheway]

43. Not when she kisses McConnel's @ss! Nt

[TexasTowelie]

48. Sinema has her reasons as to her votes, even if we aren't satisfied with her explanations.

However, saying that she is kissing McConnell's @$$ is libel since you can't provide proof to that statement. I want photos if you are going to make up that type of allegation.

[helpisontheway]

65. Check out how she tried to get McConnel's attention before she gave a thumbs down and did a curtsy.

https://m.

She was so proud of herself.

[TexasTowelie]

69. You made a specific allegation.

To begin with, it wasn't a curtsy.

Second, movement that she made was directed towards the parliamentarians taking recording the vote, not to Senator McConnell.

Third, if you watch the video I provided, curtsy is a shortened version of the word courtesy. She dipped her knees (which isn't a curtsy) in courtesy to those recording the vote.

Therefore, I believe that your video failed on three strikes.

Finally, nowhere in that video did I see Senator Sinema kiss McConnel's @$$ as you claimed.

[Rob H.]

96. Do you seriously not understand how figures of speech work?

Come on, man.

[TexasTowelie]

101. I understand figures of speech

and that they can also mean what was stated is malarkey. You consider it the former, I consider it the latter. The poster failed to prove their post with the subsequent post with the video. I prefer that people be literal when they make accusations about other people. YMMV,.

[Rob H.]

105. So if I call someone you support a horse's ass

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are you going to demand a DNA test? Because that’s what it seems like you’re saying when you’re demanding photographic proof that Sinema is literally kissing McConnell’s ass because you prefer to take that statement literally And if you’re saying that’s libel and Sinema were to try to sue over it she’d correctly be laughed out of court.

[TexasTowelie]

113. Yes, if you make an absurd statement then I will challenge it and ask for proof.

You're welcome to tuck that information about me into your files. Have a good day.

[tenderfoot]

46. She refuses to explain her positions or meet with her voters - the criticism is warranted

eom

[hatrack]

54. This to the nth

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[TexasTowelie]

55. She did offer an explanation as to why she did not vote to remove the filibuster.

The problem is that either nobody paid attention to her or they did not like her response which was along the lines of the filibuster also being used by Democrats when they were in the minority.

And whether the criticism is warranted or not, why would we publicize on this site? Would we cheer in glee if the same comments to be made by other Democrats when they voted on proposals supported by nearly all of the party?

I support Democrats. I do not support attacking our own party members--even in jest.

[Demsrule86]

50. I agree...we would not have the majority without her.

[RaDaR63]

51. Agreed

It's a tos violation, as well.

[TexasTowelie]

59. I absolutely know it is which is what prompted my comment. nt

[RaDaR63]

64. I guess there are carve-outs in the rules.

[Lucky Luciano]

82. Criticism is allowed if backed by reasonable facts like voting against major Democratic initiatives.

[SYFROYH]

72. Its the nature of the event and to laugh along.

And she deserves the digs

[tenderfoot]

73. I liked that the dig cracked everyone up...

because it was true.

[Warpy]

11. Trevor Noah is a treasure

Do we think he pissed off some of the Evangelicals in the audience?

Nah, that's their default setting.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

26. K&R

[demmiblue]

34. K&R

[MLAA]

58. Best line of the night (in addition to all the deSantis jabs and President's jab about all Fox News

On air people all being vaccinated and boosted.)

[Autumn]

60. Delightful clip.

[Owl]

74. Excellent!

[Blue Owl]

79. Bwah!

What a zinger!

[IronLionZion]

98. She's not a red state Dem

Arizona is arguably purple and went blue for Biden in 2020. Dems expect Dems from blue/purple states. This is kind of like Tulsi in Hawaii.

[Emile]

106. +1 Spot On!

[bucolic_frolic]

110. He really made people think hard about a lot of things, and showed the inside/outside contradictions

of politics, even the hypocrisy without ever mentioning it. He made the most of his moment, what a talent. I had great doubts about him when Jon Stewart left, but no doubt remains for me.

[Jurdas]

114. She won't get reelected

[onetexan]

125. strip Sinema & Manchin of their committees

Link to tweet

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