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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis was the guy the Russians just sent in to save the day:
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Plus smaller fish:
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Don't fuck with Ukraine
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Stuart G
(38,436 posts)Comfortably_Numb
(3,809 posts)calimary
(81,322 posts)Especially this kind!
Must say, though, I do like that second guys hat.
Bucky
(54,027 posts)wnylib
(21,487 posts)the Nazi villain in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Am I reading that right?
And, Gerasimov? Wow.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)It was another general who was killed.
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)It could be anything from his feet are stapled to the perch to he is in hospital with severe injuries.
The Russians wouldn't list a general as injured unless he couldn't perform his duties.
GregariousGroundhog
(7,525 posts)Killing off what would essentially be a four star general in the United States would have been a major public relations victory for Ukraine. Hopefully this still rattles Russia's military leadership though.
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)Said he was injured in the upper legs and hips.
Sounds like his pootin region......
It's on dk. Fun thread.
peggysue2
(10,832 posts)The first report indicated that the General was wounded by shrapnel in the legs and that he'd been attended to, no biggie. However, yesterday I read that the man's legs and hip were severely wounded and he was transported back to Russia for treatment.
Mysterious.
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)He wouldn't have left the front. They are sending soldiers with injuries like that back into action.
Being medivaced is a pretty clear sign he is out of action. This is a serious pr issue for the pootists.
peggysue2
(10,832 posts)According to Mark Hertling (a retired American General), the Russian General (Gerasimov) was not even wounded because he had left for Moscow prior to the HQ attack.
Round and round we go.
Ray Bruns
(4,098 posts)bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Killing Gerasimov would have been right up there with sinking the Moskva. But Im sure the old villain was shaken to the core. Heres to a difficult recovery and better luck next time.
KS Toronado
(17,259 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)We are so terribly sorry (not sorry) for all the bother.
So bad, so sad.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)Nevilledog
(51,122 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,638 posts)Nevilledog
(51,122 posts)Johnyawl
(3,205 posts)...Good/Not Good!
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
Or really bad cosplay outfits.
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SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)at auctions. At least their old uniforms, circa 1950s-70s. They're very well made. I think they hold up much better than their tanks.
Cha
(297,322 posts)Lovie777
(12,278 posts)the severity unknown but shrapnel was reported one of the main causes for his injuries.
Claim is that Putin has overtaking the ins and outs of all of the "war strategy" now. Then I hear of medical problems.
Igel
(35,320 posts)But what about the lower ranking commanders?
wnylib
(21,487 posts)ChazInAz
(2,569 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)FAFO
Native
(5,942 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,770 posts)mitch96
(13,912 posts)Fla Dem
(23,691 posts)Maybe they should consider retirement.
COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)Next time use some Excaliburs!!!
lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)niyad
(113,344 posts)wnylib
(21,487 posts)before I saw your post.
Striking resemblance, isn't it?
Probably just as fascist on the inside, too.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)A few years later, he wakes up, gets back on his feet and walks out of his hospital room, right past the sleeping guard.
He walks out of the hospital onto the streets of Moscow, and finds that most people don't recognize him. Several years of vegetative coma seem to have taken its toll on his appearance. After wandering around for a bit, he stumbles into the nearest bar. He sits down at the bar and orders a full glass of vodka.
He sips nervously and musters the courage to ask the bartender: "What year is it?"
The bartender is confused, but replies: "2025..."
Putin takes another sip of his drink to process this information. He then asks: "And Crimea, is it still ours?"
Bartender proudly replies: "Still ours!"
Putin nods in approval and takes another sip. Then, he follows: "And Kiev, is it also ours?"
Bartender replies: "Kiev also ours."
A big, happy grin appears on Putin's face, as he finally finishes the drink and asks the bartender: "How much for the vodka?"
Bartender: "100 hryvnias!"
bif
(22,720 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)Similar to the U.S. dollar.
For those not aware of Hryvnia's meaning.
Just thought I'd throw that in there, COL Mustard. Maybe more people will get the joke.
Good one, by the way.
COL Mustard
(5,906 posts)😎
erronis
(15,303 posts)All that pension money from the deceased soldiers going directly off-shore.
And don't try to tell me russia would honor any agreements to pay widows, children, etc.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)Most in the west who care about such things considered him a brilliant military strategist.
Unfortunately, the strategy might have worked for the west's military. It didn't work for Russia's military. So he's been booted out of the Kremlin and booted out of Putin's inner circle and sent to the front in harm's way.
Now he's got a big target on his back and a near miss to his credit.
Justice matters.
(6,933 posts)"The Big Eye In The Sky"
Celerity
(43,415 posts)BY MARK GALEOTTI | MARCH 5, 2018
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/05/im-sorry-for-creating-the-gerasimov-doctrine/
https://archive.ph/832SB#selection-1353.0-1387.23
Everywhere, youll find scholars, pundits, and policymakers talking about the threat the Gerasimov doctrine named after Russias chief of the general staff poses to the West. Its a new way of war, an expanded theory of modern warfare, or even a vision of total warfare. Theres one small problem. It doesnt exist. And the longer we pretend it does, the longer we misunderstand the real, but different challenge Russia poses.
I feel I can say that because, to my immense chagrin, I created this term, which has since acquired a destructive life of its own, lumbering clumsily into the world to spread fear and loathing in its wake. Back in February 2013, the Russian newspaper Military-Industrial Courier as exciting and widely read as it sounds reprinted a speech by Gen. Valery Gerasimov. It talks of how in the modern world, the use of propaganda and subversion means that a perfectly thriving state can, in a matter of months and even days, be transformed into an arena of fierce armed conflict, become a victim of foreign intervention, and sink into a web of chaos, humanitarian catastrophe, and civil war.
It largely passed unnoticed, but Robert Coalson of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, the U.S. government-funded TV and radio service broadcasting to Russia and other unfree countries, picked up on it and translated it. He sent it to me and, with his permission, I published the translation on my blog, with my own comments. A blog is as much as anything else a vanity site; obviously I want people to read it. So for a snappy title, I coined the term Gerasimov doctrine, though even then I noted in the text that this term was nothing more than a placeholder, and it certainly isnt a doctrine. I didnt think people would genuinely believe either that he came up with it (Gerasimov is a tough and effective chief of the general staff, but no theoretician), less yet than it was a programmatic blueprint for war on the West.
But then came the annexation of Crimea, when little green men commandos without insignia seized the peninsula with scarcely a shot fired. This was followed by the Donbass war, fought initially by a motley collection of local thugs, separatists, Russian adventurers, and special forces, accompanied by a barrage of lurid Russian propaganda. Suddenly, it seemed that Gerasimov had indeed been describing what was to come, had we but realized it. Prone, as ever, to overcompensation, Western mainstream opinion swung from ignoring Gerasimovs pronouncements to enshrining them as some kind of bleeding-edge blueprint for a new way of war.
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Demovictory9
(32,457 posts)Bucky
(54,027 posts)Russians love people who talk tough.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)Better luck next time.
spooky3
(34,458 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,503 posts)Igel
(35,320 posts)Like your signature line are caricatures of Xmas puppies and Xmas cats.
Look at their faces, guess their ages.
Shoigu is strictly Soviet. Read his quasi-memoires. Most of the text is utterly boring, trash.
A few times you're chilled. '
Про вчера. Can be hard to find--not many copies printed.
On the otherhand, the publisher, ACT, is a solid publishing house. Sad that they passed this crap.
Rhiannon12866
(205,503 posts)I visited the USSR back in the late '80s with my grandmother who joined a peace group which had a "sister town" high in the Caucasus Mountains and this was their initial trip. It was an awesome group of experienced and knowledgeable world travelers - all senior citizens except for one other lady - and me. We met with other peace groups throughout the country and, having experienced the horrors of WWII fought on their own soil, were also dedicated to peace. And this was under Gorbachev who had instituted more progressive policies (glasnost and perestroika, openness and transparency) and there was such hope back then. So my heart also breaks for the Russian people as we see them returning to the dark days of repression and Soviet-style rule.
wnylib
(21,487 posts)liberalla
(9,249 posts)Eta:. Don't know how I missed it yesterday! ???
DenaliDemocrat
(1,476 posts)And honestly, good for us. In my opinion, when Russia tried to interfere in our elections they declared war. Fuck them.
ancianita
(36,095 posts)flying_wahini
(6,606 posts)They thought their own Importance would protect them.