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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI took some photos at Kent State last summer
I am a Kent grad. I did not arrive there until 4 years after the shooting. I went to every May 4 commemorative gathering. I lived in the dorm right next to the parking lot where several of the students were shot. Emotions at that time were still very raw and it was such a scary feeling many of us had
It could have been me.
I stopped here on my way home from a get together last July. It was summer break. There was not a soul around, I was totally alone.
First, if anyone needs a reminder
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/03/us/gallery/kent-state-massacre/index.html
Here is a photo of where this happened. Sorry the photos are not the best quality.
A metal sculpture at the top of the hill behind Taylor Hall took a bullet.
Detail of bullet hole at bottom right of sculpture
There are national historic markers on the ground where the students died. Here is one of them. It looked like someone had recently visited.
They had denoted the places in the parking lot where the other students were shot with some luminaries and were roped off. Each spot has a metal plaque with the students name on it.
I am glad this site and these locations are being preserved.
Duncanpup
(12,895 posts)Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)Thank you Duncanpup
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)n/t
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)pandr32
(11,615 posts)...along with the why and the how.
'America' is fragile.
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)Thank you pandr32
yardwork
(61,711 posts)I remember it very well. I was a kid, growing up in another college town in Ohio.
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)So totally frightening. Thank you, yardwork
yardwork
(61,711 posts)Anyone not frightened by that isn't paying attention.
I cry every year on May 4. I know a lot of other people do too.
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)And when TFG talked about shooting the BLM protestors in the legs
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It all came back for me.
yardwork
(61,711 posts)Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)Duncanpup
(12,895 posts)Did they ever discover why the shooting started they could not have thought the kids were armed yet then I imagine the Ohio national guard were young kids as well.
yardwork
(61,711 posts)Some of the town's merchants were worried about property damage. There were some outside agitators trying to start trouble, hoping to spark a revolution that the American people would get behind. And there were ordinary kids walking to class who were shot and killed by other kids in the National Guard called out by the right-wing governor.
It came down to the same old things - fear of property damage, fear of leftist communists, fear of hippies, fear by the National Guard. Maybe somebody threw a rock and some kid panicked and started shooting.
Duncanpup
(12,895 posts)Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)Throwing rocks and taunting. The general of the guard ordered them to shoot after orders for the students to disperse went unheeded. Some sources say the order to shoot came directly from Gov. Rhodes.
Duncanpup
(12,895 posts)Criminal
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)And some that were killed were just walking to class and not involved in the protest.
From History.com:
Over just a 13-second period, nearly 70 shots were fired in total. In all, four Kent State studentsJeffrey Miller, Allison Krause, William Schroeder and Sandra Scheuerwere killed, and nine others were injured. Schroeder was shot in the back, as were two of the injured, Robert Stamps and Dean Kahler.
llmart
(15,553 posts)He wasn't called up for that, but he was 22 at the time and just out of college himself. If a guy had deferments all through college, they were draftable once they graduated, so he was fortunate enough to get a slot in the National Guard. Lots of the guys were very young and a lot of them weren't that enthusiastic about being in it, so they didn't take it that seriously. Just wanted to do their time and avoid Nam.
Auggie
(31,191 posts)Dorms or a gym -- can't exactly remember. I was at another MAC school, OHIO (in Athens), and a member of the Student Senate then. We supported the KSU May 4th Coalition, along with other colleges and universities, in preserving these sites. It was a big deal.
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)Yes the plans to build a new gym there were scrapped, thankfully. Thank you for your support. We will never forget .
Wuddles440
(1,127 posts)I try to make a pilgrimage there every year and was just there this morning for some of the events. However, one little correction to the photo narrative - the circular plaques (such as the one pictured for Alan Canfora) are a recent addition to the site to recognize the locations of the nine wounded students. Although installed two years ago, they were officially dedicated this week. The memorials in the parking lot are for the four students that were killed (i.e. by homicide) on May 4th. Incidentally, the sister of Alan Canfora (now deceased) was one of the scheduled speakers this year.
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)I appreciate your comments
Whats going on there today?
Wuddles440
(1,127 posts)from Monday to today such as luncheon/lecture series, musical performance, candlelight walk and vigil, author event, commemoration, and an evening with Jon Meacham. Due to Covid, this is the first in-person commemoration since 2019 and reflects some of the 50th Anniversary activities that had been planned for 2020. Although I was in nearby Pennsylvania and only in seventh grade when this tragedy occurred, it had an immediate, profound, and visceral effect on me that remains to this day. I get emotional every time I visit. Incidentally, my wife's second cousin is John Filo, who was the KSU student-photo journalist responsible for taking the photo of the Mary Ann Vecciho grieving over the body of Jeffery Miller.
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)That photo by John Filo sums up that whole day and probably is one of the most famous in the world. I cant imagine what it must have been like being there and getting that shot of excruciating pain and fury.
I share the feeling of being deeply emotionally affected and it wells up every time I visit, which, alas, is not too often any more.
electric_blue68
(14,934 posts)Wow... I had know idea about various markers, and the sculpture! I did know in some hazy memory about it being declared a national historic site.
It makes perfect sense that you'd feel weirded out arriving there relatively soon after this event.
As for event itself...oh, I remember! I was 17. A HS senior ready to go to college. Surreal, and horrifying! Shock, then anger! A little later hearing esp in NYC the haunting "Ohio" by C, S, N & Y playing on our Rock stations over, and over.
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)It seems like eons ago and it seems like yesterday to me at the same time.
electric_blue68
(14,934 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,474 posts)Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)to seeing the May 4 visitors center
https://www.kent.edu/may4visitorscenter
Ohiya
(2,240 posts)We went Monday morning and attended several events. It was a very moving experience. My wife was there in 1970. One movie that was shown was "Fire in the Heartland",
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)Did you go to the May 4 Visitors Center?
Ohiya
(2,240 posts)It's worth it just to see the short film that is shown there again.
We had never been to any of the May 4th events before though, and to be honest, I was not very enthusiastic about going on this trip, but I knew it meant a lot to my wife. However, I just had a wonderful experience! I think we will probably go again next year.
We met the president of KSU. My wife told him she was a 1972 graduate and he asked if I also attended KSU. I had to admit to being a Buckeye and he offered his condolences!
We also met and talked to one of the wounded survivors. He was also a very nice person.
It was a few very full days. I feel both exhausted and exhilarated.
Raine
(30,540 posts)even after all these years it brings up all the emotions from that long ago time. 😢
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)Thank you.
livetohike
(22,163 posts)All so quiet and peaceful now. May we never forget.
Diamond_Dog
(32,068 posts)My biggest fear is that with the Republican clampdown on free discussion of all historical events in America in our public schools,, this will not be taught about in very many schools from here on in. And it such an important story to tell and learn from. My heart just aches for our country sometimes.