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Tommy Carcetti

(43,174 posts)
Wed May 4, 2022, 03:04 PM May 2022

The unbearable sadness of Mariupol for me.

Last edited Wed May 4, 2022, 04:14 PM - Edit history (1)

For over the past three months, a good part of my mind and attention every day has been focused on the war in Ukraine and the impact that has conflict has had on the Ukrainian people. The fact that I am second-generation Ukrainian with family still in the country, and with a family history of my grandparents having fled the country during the worst of World War II, only serves to act as a multiplier for the emotions that I've been feeling.

Besides my concern for the safety of my family--who thankfully live in the "safer" Western Ukrainian regions--the fact that about three years ago I had a chance to tour the country and absolutely fell in every single bit of it (the culture, the people, the food) has kept me worried about the wellbeing of both Ukrainians and their cities.

And while my travels in Ukraine took me to many remarkable places and cities--Kyiv, Lviv, the Carpathian mountains--in the end it's been the fate of one particular Ukrainian city that has haunted me the very most: Mariupol.

I did not visit Mariupol when I traveled to Ukraine; in fact, I didn't even come close to visiting anywhere in Ukraine's besieged Eastern regions. And yet, over the past few years I've grown to know Mariupol on a second-hand basis, and it always seemed to fascinate and intrigue me in a way.

I first heard about Mariupol during the onset of the 2014 Russian proxy war against Ukraine using so-called separatist forces. Nearby Donetsk and Luhansk fell to the invaders, but Mariupol was somehow able to miraculously hold them off. And in doing so, the Ukrainian national spirit in Mariupol grew (bolstered in part by those fleeing the occupied regions) and there was a breath of new air in the city. This is even more notable considering that like many places in Eastern Ukraine the majority of residents speak Russian as their primary tongue as opposed to the native Ukrainian. It didn't matter: Mariupol was Ukraine, and that was that.

And though I never actually visited Mariupol in person, I had "visited" its streets via Google Maps and found it to be a charmingly eclectic mix of a town, with different elements and styles comprising the whole. You had the old school Soviet apartment block buildings--the Khrushchyovkas and the Brezhnevkas--but you also had newer, 21st Century modern architecture sprinkled throughout as well as staid churches that dated back to Tsarist days. And given its prime location on the Sea of Azov, Mariupol was a beach town, too; no doubt probably a favored vacation and recreation spot for many in the region.

And to round it out, of course, was Maripol's most indelible and unmistakable landmark: the absolutely massive Azovstal steel plant that sat in the very center of the city and dominated nearly ever wide shot picture of Mariupol. Azovstal was--by all objective measures--ugly as sin: dirty, gritty, polluting, not to mention an old Soviet relic. But even so, there was something oddly appealing about its hulking, imposing, industrial aura that gave it out; a sense of raw honesty that somehow made it welcome in the overall panache that was Mariupol.

And now Mariupol is no more.

Nearly every single structure in the city is bombed to the ground or otherwise inhabitable. Sadly, I almost knew this would be a certainty the moment the first Russian bomb touched Ukrainian soil that Putin would go after Mariupol, and go after it hard. Not only was it a strategic port city, and ever since seizing Crimea in 2014 the Kremlin has sought to cut off Ukraine from the sea, but I think there was also a punitive goal in mind as well. Because Mariupol resisted the initial wave of Russian invasion, because it dared to clothe itself in Ukrainian pride, because it contradicted the Kremlin falsehood that the Ukrainian government was somehow persecuting its Russian-speaking citizens, Mariupol would be forced to pay a price.

And it most certainly has. Over 300,000 of its 400,000 residents forced to flee their hometown. The death toll cannot be even close to being verified at the moment, but undoubtedly is certainly within the tens of thousands. Only a small pocket of resistance remains at the Azovstal plant; the outlook for their survival is not good. Those who remain in portions occupied by the Russians risk either being paraded around for propaganda purposes, or removal and deportation to areas deep within Russia.

Mass graves. A theater full of civilians--including scores of children--bombed, and hundreds left dead. Indescribable and immense pain and suffering, everywhere.

The total destruction of an entire city is nothing new to humanity; it's a practice that dates back as far as long as human civilization has existed. The ancient city of Carthage was infamously burnt to the ground by the Romans in 146 BC. Russia saw its own cities such as Leningrad and Stalingrad virtually destroyed in total during World War II. And our hands as Americans are not bloodless in this practice either, whether it be by a single bomb (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) or a prolonged and furious bombing campaign (Dresden).

Even in my own lifetime, I can remember Grozny. I can remember Aleppo. I have seen the virtual destruction of cities take place before my eyes on the news.

But--perhaps because where age brings wisdom, or perhaps simply because as someone with Ukrainian roots I have additional emotional investment--Mariupol's tragic fate has hit me harder than ever before. It's more than just reading a history book. It's more than even turning on a news report on television.

It's hard.

It's really, really hard.

An entire city, an entire place--where people lived and took pride in. Gone, just like that.

But even so, Mariupol existed. And it may--at some point in the future--exist once again.

Вічна пам'ять, Маріуполь. Вечная память, Мариуполь. Eternal memory, Mariupol.







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The unbearable sadness of Mariupol for me. (Original Post) Tommy Carcetti May 2022 OP
Leak enid602 May 2022 #1
Don't know if it that was intended but... Tommy Carcetti May 2022 #2
trump enid602 May 2022 #4
K&R BeyondGeography May 2022 #3
I'm so sorry Tommy Quakerfriend May 2022 #5
Thanks for the kind words. nt Tommy Carcetti May 2022 #10
My brother married a second generation Ukrainian, they have 4 kids. Swede May 2022 #6
I was surprised to find out ... electric_blue68 May 2022 #13
Ukrainians in Canada is the third largest population outside of Ukraine. Swede May 2022 #14
A 2015 Daily Beast article on pre-invasion Mariupol. Tommy Carcetti May 2022 #7
I make myself keep up, but it is increasingly hard not to look away. For awhile I could not sleep hlthe2b May 2022 #8
The worst thing is the radio silence. Tommy Carcetti May 2022 #9
Thank you for your well written and poignant post... electric_blue68 May 2022 #11
Ukrainian food is seriously underrated. Tommy Carcetti May 2022 #15
👍 😁 electric_blue68 May 2022 #16
May all those who engender, enable, and support this horror receive niyad May 2022 #12
It's just awful 💔 and now the center of attention has shifted Raine May 2022 #17

enid602

(8,614 posts)
1. Leak
Wed May 4, 2022, 03:12 PM
May 2022

I’m afraid that the Supreme Court’s brief was leaked to give Putin some shade. Distract the media and public with abortion rights while Putin quietly cleans up in Ukraine.

enid602

(8,614 posts)
4. trump
Wed May 4, 2022, 03:19 PM
May 2022

Well, Trump supports Putin, and 3 Justices were appointed by trump. I suspect Alito and Thomas are pro trump.

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
3. K&R
Wed May 4, 2022, 03:16 PM
May 2022

The destruction of so many old towns and neighborhoods has weighed on me too. They seem to me to be the best of Old Europe. Civilized, dignified and affordable places to live, with beautiful public spaces. Decimated by barbarians in the service of their demented leader.

Quakerfriend

(5,450 posts)
5. I'm so sorry Tommy
Wed May 4, 2022, 03:24 PM
May 2022


It has affected me greatly, as well & I do not have Ukrainian roots.

I am sickened to my core.

Part of my sadness lies in knowing that the world has allowed such complete destruction to occur.

I wish we could have done so much more to prevent this.
I remember being shocked that the world allowed Putin to take Crimea- If we could only have stopped this mad man sooner, instead of treating him like a legitimate world leader.

Thank you so much for the beautiful pictures of Kyiv you have shared with us.

Swede

(33,234 posts)
6. My brother married a second generation Ukrainian, they have 4 kids.
Wed May 4, 2022, 03:30 PM
May 2022

I live in Western Canada, and half the people I know are of Ukrainian descent. This war has really been a gut-wrenching experience for me.

electric_blue68

(14,886 posts)
13. I was surprised to find out ...
Wed May 4, 2022, 11:54 PM
May 2022

?20 years ago that there were a lot of Ukrainians settled in Canada.

I'm an NYC'r where we have Little Ukraine the largest population of several generations of Ukrainian Americans living here in the USA. 🙂 🇺🇦🌻

Tommy Carcetti

(43,174 posts)
7. A 2015 Daily Beast article on pre-invasion Mariupol.
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:00 PM
May 2022
https://www.thedailybeast.com/as-mariupol-faces-the-russian-blitz-beach-weddings-go-on?via=desktop&source=twitter

MARIUPOL, Ukraine—We woke to the sound of shelling from the east, distant—almost like thunder but in quick, unrelenting bursts. It’s an accustomed sound here, but it carried fresh menace because Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said hours earlier that a full scale Russian invasion is imminent. And this coastal city could be the next big target.

But not yet.

Life in downtown Mariupol requires a partial state of suspended disbelief. Like any beach town, trendy bars, hotels and restaurants rest along the Sea of Azov. But here, every hour or so a freight train barrels through, cutting off the beach bars from the beach. The trains are loud, industrial and Soviet, but the locals are inured to them. In many ways, war here meets with the same numbed apathy, at least from those whose houses have not yet taken 122-millimeter artillery fire.

As former Estonian intelligence chief Eerik-Niiles Kross recently told The Daily Beast, “Simply put, Mariupol can turn into a war zone overnight.” The Russian-backed separatists and the Ukrainian army regularly exchange artillery fire on the fringes of the city, decimating the small towns just to the east. That happens “about once every three to five days,” a local hotel receptionist tells us a bit reluctantly, not wanting to alarm the few remaining guests.

hlthe2b

(102,228 posts)
8. I make myself keep up, but it is increasingly hard not to look away. For awhile I could not sleep
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:00 PM
May 2022

after seeing all the atrocities ongoing. I know westerners have been quite good at doing so when they occur in Africa or other parts of the world and that is a devastating double standard. Still, it is impossible not to feel the immediacy and risk to spread elsewhere. Those who never intensely studied nor learned about WWII in all its gritty horror from those who lived it must take the time now. The lessons of WWII are coming back to haunt us and as then we failed to contain the mad man early on who posed the threat--especially during the past half-decade of Trump and his pro-Putin era sycophancy.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,174 posts)
9. The worst thing is the radio silence.
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:05 PM
May 2022

And you get that in all sort of disasters, not just wars.

Hurricane rolls through and then you hear and see nothing from the area of impact. For a while there are no pictures or reports and you naively think "Well, maybe it wasn't that bad."

And all that time you were thinking that, it was absolutely that bad. A living nightmare. And only when the pictures and the stories emerge afterwards does that really come home.

Mariupol has had that radio silence for a couple of months now. We know very little of what is going on the ground as it happens. We only know what has happened from the people who've managed to escape, but as to what is happening right now at this very moment, we know nothing.

But it has to be undeniably horrific. A living hell.

As we speak.

electric_blue68

(14,886 posts)
11. Thank you for your well written and poignant post...
Wed May 4, 2022, 11:41 PM
May 2022

Especially as a 2nd gen half Ukie American my dad's side. His parents arrived before WW1, and the Bolshevik Revolution. We may have unknow cousins there.

Love our pysanki, embroidery, onion topped church architecture. While I love more of my other half 2nd gen heritage foods from Greece; I loooove my Ukrainian grilled kelbasa(!!!!!), pierogies, farmer's cheese on Ukrainian Easter Bread (which my mom learned to bake excellently). Yuuuuuum to all that!

Thanks again, stay strong!

Slava Unkraini! 🌻🇺🇦🌻



May Mariupol (and Allepo) rise again!

niyad

(113,265 posts)
12. May all those who engender, enable, and support this horror receive
Wed May 4, 2022, 11:52 PM
May 2022

everything they deserve.

SLAVA UKRAINI!

Raine

(30,540 posts)
17. It's just awful 💔 and now the center of attention has shifted
Thu May 5, 2022, 04:35 PM
May 2022

and the monster Putin will unleash more horrors with less attention to what's going on being paid to his evilness.

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